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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 12, 2013 9:11:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Rockaway - are they new this year? Great job by them this year. And the off the court stuff is fantastic Thanks for the kind words. And yes, we just started this season.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 12, 2013 10:06:33 GMT -5
The students who were there last night did an excellent job, especially with the off the court chant. I thought the turnout was fine for a Monday night game. The key is that the ones who come are loud and engaged - these were. I agree about last night. I was scared at first but at tip students came pouring in and did a good job. However, don't confuse the Stonewalls with the students. Many chants emanating from that side of the arena start in 118. Including nearly every dead ball Hoya Saxa which seems to take 10 HOYAS to wake the other side up. Thank you - the band side student section has been dead all year. Without the Stonewalls or the band, it would be silent over there. I've never seen so many students be so quiet.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 12, 2013 10:56:28 GMT -5
Weeknight? Trouble boozing? Really? I thought we were talking about Georgetown. It's becoming evident to me that this is not the Georgetown I attended.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 12, 2013 10:58:06 GMT -5
Yeah Dan all chants on the band side are started by 118/The Stonewalls. I sit, rather stand in 118, am not an organizer of the stonewalls, but really appreciate all they've done and am proud to cheer my head off. The organizers of the Stonewalls have done a fantastic job this year. It's painfully obvious to us at least how terrible the student situation is. Also, just because its a "young alumni" section I would venture to say the majority have graduated around 5 years ago so it's not like they're fresh out of school. Many have chosen to maintain those seats even after their "young alum" status for tickets has expired
I don't know what people were watching if you were there and didn't see the student sections were half full. We all know we expect this and worse for a weeknight depaul or providence etc game, but this was a top 20 matchup on big monday for ESPN. I am concerned that THIS type of game has not brought out a crowd from the students. People can try and rationalize it all they want the bottom line is it's unacceptable
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 12, 2013 11:30:16 GMT -5
What's disappointing is that, moving forward, it's very possible that Marquette will be our best in-conference home game in the new conference. Over the last 5-10 years, Marquette is clearly better than DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence and St. John's. Over the last 2-3 years, Marquette is clearly better than Villanova.
I know it was a Monday. I know it was an early start. I know Marquette is probably only the 5th or 6th best home game on the schedule THIS season. However, let's hope this kind of overall attendance is not indicative of what we can expect with the new conference.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 12, 2013 11:35:48 GMT -5
I don't know what people were watching if you were there and didn't see the student sections were half full. We all know we expect this and worse for a weeknight depaul or providence etc game, but this was a top 20 matchup on big monday for ESPN. I am concerned that THIS type of game has not brought out a crowd from the students. People can try and rationalize it all they want the bottom line is it's unacceptable This. I don't know what's going on. Is there any promotion of the games on campus? I mean, ANY? I don't like to criticize Hoya Blue because I was once in their shoes, but I'm not sure what exactly they do. I guess they tried to do a costume contest last night, but is that really going to get people to the game? The "cheer signs" that Hoya Blue raised whenever we were coordinating the Hoya Saxa and We are Georgetown chants are even gone.
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Post by biggmanu on Feb 12, 2013 11:43:16 GMT -5
No offense to hoya blue, but they have no sway on students.
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Post by b52legend on Feb 12, 2013 11:53:41 GMT -5
Its simply a numbers game. Student section holds 2200. 7000 undergrads. Approximately 1 in 3 students have to show up to fill the student section. It is fair to say 1 in 3 students at Georgetown simply don't care about basketball or having fun and never will (see SFS, et. al., no offense), so 1 in 2 students have to attend to fill up the student section. That is just a tough target to consistently hit.
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Post by newsouth on Feb 12, 2013 13:20:16 GMT -5
I understand there are several factors involved behind the low turnout. That said, it ultimately comes down to the student body. I was an undergrad during the Esherick years and we had consistently more support than this. And man did the team suck then. It's just sad that a different type of student attends Georgetown now...
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Post by newsouth on Feb 12, 2013 13:20:59 GMT -5
And to add to previous comments: thank you Stonewalls. I really want to join your section next year-
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 12, 2013 13:23:14 GMT -5
Question: Are we facing a Verizon Center filled with Orange scum March 9 due to the game coinciding with the end of spring break? I have to imagine the 100-level seats will be jammed with Gtown folks but is our student turnout going to be anemic? That would be really embarrassing.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 12, 2013 13:24:36 GMT -5
Its simply a numbers game. Student section holds 2200. 7000 undergrads. Approximately 1 in 3 students have to show up to fill the student section. It is fair to say 1 in 3 students at Georgetown simply don't care about basketball or having fun and never will (see SFS, et. al., no offense), so 1 in 2 students have to attend to fill up the student section. That is just a tough target to consistently hit. Just a few years ago, around 2/3 of the student body PURCHASED season tickets. It's not a tough target at all. When I was an undergrad, basketball was simply an integral part of the Georgetown culture. Now, it's not. It's as simple as that.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 12, 2013 13:25:07 GMT -5
Question: Are we facing a Verizon Center filled with Orange scum March 9 due to the game coinciding with the end of spring break? I have to imagine the 100-level seats will be jammed with Gtown folks but is our student turnout going to be anemic? That would be really embarrassing. Yup. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 12, 2013 13:26:00 GMT -5
I honestly don't see what the problem is. The students that want to come are coming. And there is a big difference between the holiday games (where there are no students) and the Big East games when the students are behind the baskets.
If you are anywhere near the floor at Verizon when class is in session the noise level from the students makes it very hard for the visitors to play. This may not be apparent to those who watch on TV or are in the upper levels. So the students are accomplishing the main goal of giving the team home field advantage and supporting the players.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 12, 2013 13:31:50 GMT -5
Question: Are we facing a Verizon Center filled with Orange scum March 9 due to the game coinciding with the end of spring break? I have to imagine the 100-level seats will be jammed with Gtown folks but is our student turnout going to be anemic? That would be really embarrassing. I can't speak for the student body, but I know that the spring break trip my Senior planned has a return of March 8.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 12, 2013 13:58:58 GMT -5
Its simply a numbers game. Student section holds 2200. 7000 undergrads. Approximately 1 in 3 students have to show up to fill the student section. It is fair to say 1 in 3 students at Georgetown simply don't care about basketball or having fun and never will (see SFS, et. al., no offense), so 1 in 2 students have to attend to fill up the student section. That is just a tough target to consistently hit. Just a few years ago, around 2/3 of the student body PURCHASED season tickets. It's not a tough target at all. When I was an undergrad, basketball was simply an integral part of the Georgetown culture. Now, it's not. It's as simple as that. I think it really depends on the era. That may have been true in the 2006-2008 time period, but when I attended during the Esherick era (1999-2003), not even close to 2/3 of the student body purchased season tickets because the team was awful. And in 1999, the days of Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, and Allen Iverson weren't nearly as far removed as they are now. If we made the Final Four this year (one can hope!), season ticket sales to students would spike again for next year. It's just the way it works. When you have to sell to such a high percentage of students to sell-out every game, you're not going to do that only with the committed fans. For those who say that, "Georgetown students aren't what they used to be," I must admit I'm skeptical. I graduated almost 10 years ago, and I find it hard to believe the current student body is that much different. I think it makes sense if you're comparing 1980 (or earlier) to the present, but it's not like we had legions of basketball followers 15 years ago, and they've suddenly disappeared. Keep in mind that we are also dealing with the general dispersion of interests over time. There are a million more things to do now than there were 30 years ago. It's more feasible that a student would have gone to see the Hoyas play in 1985 or 1990, than in 2012, when they can do any number of things elsewhere or on their computers or phones. In some ways, this stinks (and it affects a lot more than just basketball), but there's not much that can be done at this point. It simply amazes me that we have a whole thread dedicated to ripping student turnout whenever it's bad, yet we have another thread of people arguing that we shouldn't schedule Syracuse, even if they're willing to come to DC. Unbelievable.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 12, 2013 14:02:50 GMT -5
As an aside, is there anywhere where one can get historic attendance figures? I'm really curious to compare figures from years past (when the team was bad) to the current attendance. Didn't John Thompson Jr. and Esherick often schedule really awful out of conference opponents? I find it hard to believe that such opponents would have been bringing in tons of fans in the 1998-1999 era.
This year's off season project. I have all attendance numbers from 1979-present.--Admin
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 12, 2013 14:24:19 GMT -5
How about this - we put the students only behind one basket, like we did my first two years (2003-05), which would put the student section around 1,000+, much more reasonable for a school of our size. Then let's put the Stonewalls/other Young Alumni behind the other basket? I think that's a simple, effective solution. We'd then have an overflow student section for the bigger weekend games that have more draw. Thoughts? (EDIT: Attendance figures from 1978 onward, if you're interested - www.hoyabasketball.com/records/attendance.htm)
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 12, 2013 14:33:19 GMT -5
And bravo to the Stonewalls. Instead of sitting around posting on an internet message board about how much the students suck, they are actually doing something proactive and helping remedy the situation. It looks like a very fun section that improves the game day experience, and I look forward to joining them for the Syracuse game on March 9.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Feb 12, 2013 14:46:28 GMT -5
Cheers to the student section last night, which made what sounded like a lot of noise through my ipad speakers as I watched at work.
However, there was a stupid "Bullsh*t" chant by a bunch of knuckleheads in the student section on an out-of-bounds call that went MU's way just a few minutes into the game (which, by the way, was a correct call). Can someone please smack those clowns in the head next time? You look like fools.
[And get off my lawn!!]
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