SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 20, 2012 13:01:20 GMT -5
Story in NY Times on MLB TV rights. Fox is starting a Sports Channel and they will overpay for as much MLB as they can get. Also references NBC's new sports channel and the competition for rights to major sports properties. In my view, the BE -- as the last unsigned conference - is likely to get more than anyone is expecting. In all, baseball’s annual payments from ESPN, Fox and TBS from 2014 to ’21 are expected to grow to $1.55 billion from $750 million in the current contract.
NBC wanted to return to baseball to help build up the appeal of the NBC Sports Network. But it would not pay what M.L.B. wanted and fell out of the negotiations. Now, its only short-term hope of adding major properties to boost the NBC Sports Network rests with coming Nascar and Big East Conference talks. NBC’s cable network also may face a season without N.H.L. games because the lockout.
www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/sports/baseball/fox-closes-in-on-new-baseball-deal.html?ref=sports |
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Sept 20, 2012 17:02:21 GMT -5
The NHL lockout might be the thing that saves the Big East...who knew?
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Sept 21, 2012 14:42:22 GMT -5
What does Georgetown currently receive annually from the existing television contract? ESPN has reported in the past the eight I-A schools each get $3.125 million of a $40 million annual fee to the conference. That would leave the remaining eight to get $1.875 million each. For comparison, each Mountain West school gets about $1.2mil (that includes football and basketball) a year from their current deal that runs through 2014. Conference USA schools, under their deal that ran out in 2011, got even less. (I looked for the A-10 deal details, because that is probably the best comparable, but could not find them). Mountain west was a pretty competitive FB conference over the time of that deal, and Conference USA was fairly competitive in Basketball. The difference is the Big East has markets that have tons of people in them, and these conferences dont. So if you want to leave the big east, you are giving up at least $1 mil a year under the current BE deal. Expectations for the new deal are bball schools will get about $3mil a year. So you are giving up $2 mil or more a year. The bottom line is that if you want to leave the Big East you also want to give up on basketball. A-10 schools can compete at the level they do, because they sell tickets. They have smaller arenas, that they own. They play in cities where sports and entertainment options are more limited. Under that model Gtown can not compete, there just isnt enough money. |
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Sept 21, 2012 16:21:38 GMT -5
As I have posted before I believe when the expansion dust settles, there will be serious discussion of a merger between A10 and Big East. That would result in some existing programs in the A10 being forced out. I would not be surprised if Louisville, Cincy, UConn, and Rutgers are thinking about other options. The news around SEC country is the possibility of BCS conferences going to 16 teams in the futher.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Sept 21, 2012 22:34:35 GMT -5
I think, under the current scheduling model, 16 teams in a conference is unworkable. Two 8 team divisions, so 7 division games, plus at least 1 inter-division game. Plus a conference chamoionship game (at least one, if not a four team play off for more money). In the SEC (plus what ever teams are added) thats a deadly schedule.
I think you can do 16 team conferences if there is some coordinated scheduling on a hire level. Meaning that scheduling standards are set and there are rules determining who you can play, and who you have to play (meaning no FCS schools to beat up, and only games against the teams in the other mega conferences). Then you have enough competitive balance to make a 4 or 8 team play off worth while.
4 16 team mega conferences is elegant but I dont think the teams would really like it. Someone has to lose. Every conference, even the SEC, has teams that always lose. You cant put Bama, Texas, LSU, etc all in the same conference and expect them to all to win 10 games. Every game has a winner and a loser, so 50% of teams lose each week. Too many "good" teams would get sick of losing and want out.
As for the A10, there are definitely teams in the A10 that greatly improve Big East basketball. The problem is getting rid of Depaul, Provie, and Seton Hall.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Sept 22, 2012 7:42:49 GMT -5
Just kick them out, they don't play most of the olympic sports anyway.
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Post by bicentennial on Sept 22, 2012 9:18:45 GMT -5
Depaul at least gives the Big East a small foothold in the Chicago Area and may have access to a downtown stadium in a few years which might dramatically change their potential recruiting of Chicago. While Chicago will always be a pro town, DePaul had a following when they were good under Ray Meyer and is in a location where with a closer stadium they could again flourish. Seton Hall helps solidify a part of the New York Market. Providence serves no roll but is where the Big East was headquartered and gave us several of our first Big East administrators and also has a tie to JT Jr. Doesn't seem like burning bridges is in the best interest of the Big East right now.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 22, 2012 12:36:58 GMT -5
It wasn't that long ago when Kennedy recruited Quentin Richardson, Lance Williams, Bobby Simmons, and Stephen Hunter and had DePaul squarely back on the hoops map. It can be done.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 22, 2012 18:33:32 GMT -5
Depaul at least gives the Big East a small foothold in the Chicago Area and may have access to a downtown stadium in a few years which might dramatically change their potential recruiting of Chicago. While Chicago will always be a pro town, DePaul had a following when they were good under Ray Meyer and is in a location where with a closer stadium they could again flourish. Seton Hall helps solidify a part of the New York Market. Providence serves no roll but is where the Big East was headquartered and gave us several of our first Big East administrators and also has a tie to JT Jr. Doesn't seem like burning bridges is in the best interest of the Big East right now. I think the focus on markets is misplaced, even though almost everybody does it. Sure, DePaul is in Chicago, but where has that gotten us? I don't think DePaul has materially added to the Big East in any way since joining. How does Seton Hall really solidify the New York market? Yes, they are in the New York area and they have fans in the area, but they aren't bringing legions of viewers to Big East broadcasts. The most important thing is having good teams. We have plenty of good markets in the Big East. In fact, if you look at the programs we have lost (Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Notre Dame), every one is located in a relatively small market. I think the most important thing is quality - that's what will garner attention, NCAA bids, television coverage, and television money. I would take Xavier over DePaul any day, even though they are in a smaller market. |
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Sept 22, 2012 23:49:56 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem with kicking out a Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, etc is that eventually it gets to the point where GU is being the one kicked out.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 23, 2012 0:54:12 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem with kicking out a Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, etc is that eventually it gets to the point where GU is being the one kicked out. I understand your point. If we were having this discussion sometime between 1999 and 2004, Georgetown very well could have been one of the schools that people wanted to kick out of the conference. For that reason, I do think it is very important for Georgetown to be good for the next 5-10 years. I don't expect that to be a problem as long as we have John Thompson III, but if the Big East were to collapse, recruiting could become a problem. I do not necessarily advocate kicking out Seton Hall - they have fielded some decent teams in the last ten years. Providence hasn't, but with Cooley, they might have some promise. I think the problem people have with DePaul is that they haven't shown any ability to even field a competitive team while in the Big East, and that's a problem. If the same thing happens for teams like Houston and SMU, there are going to be a lot of bad games (and low attendance) in the coming years. |
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