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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 13, 2012 1:39:28 GMT -5
This sucks. Big East basketball tradition being torn to pieces. It's rather sad. How old are you? I'm 33 and I don't really consider ND basketball to be carrying any real Big East Basketball tradition. Well I guess that might depend on how much you value coach of the year awards. I'm 18 and I understand Big East history and how Notre Dame didn't make a big mark in it per se, however I'm dissapointed that the Big East as I myself have always known it will never be the same. |
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Post by fsohoya on Sept 13, 2012 7:23:07 GMT -5
And there is one other thing that should be said. If JT III were to get hit by a bolt of lightning, or go to another Big Time program, we would instantly drop out of big time basketball. This is a risk we carry every day and if it did happen, in the ACC we could still compete and get a replacement and in the Ivy League we could still compete at that level with a suitable replacement. In the Big Least of today and in years future, we would be kaput. OK, this is an overreaction. First, I agree with your previous post that the other Big East members are not on our academic level. I think few people, however, have trouble understanding that college sports and college academics are two very different animals. Indeed, you point to the presence of Vandy as what gives the SEC some academic cred. But really Vandy is in the same situation we're about to be in: the lone top-notch academic institution in their league. As for basketball quality, the Big East will still be a top conference, if not perhaps as dominant as in the last few seasons. You keep us, UConn (even without Calhoun), Louisville, 'Nova, and Marquette, and add Memphis and Temple, and you still have quite a few accomplished, powerful programs. I don't want to sound Pollyanish about this -- it stinks to lose Syracuse, Pitt, and Notre Dame (I was happy to see WVU leave) -- but from a basketball standpoint we're not suddenly in the America East or even A-10, and I really don't think anyone sees our playing the Big East as a knock on our academics. Heck, ND was only in the league starting in 1995, and other than them who were the other great academic institutions? Certainly not Syracuse! What concerns me most is the continued instability, and that programs like Louisville and UConn are probably looking to bolt at the first glimpse of a chance. But ND's departure, other than from a stability perception standpoint, probably isn't that huge. |
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 13, 2012 10:02:01 GMT -5
Pep Talk for our leadrship-
Our leadership has to act like they are running a top 20 research institution, with major Division 1 athletics. Please Mr. Tagliabue, Degioa, Reed et al, find us an athletic home that matches the capabilities and achievements of our great university. Do not let us become victims in this environment. Let us be leaders.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 13, 2012 10:06:43 GMT -5
Pep Talk for our leadrship- Our leadership has to act like they are running a top 20 research institution, with major Division 1 athletics. Please Mr. Tagliabue, Degioa, Reed et al, find us an athletic home that matches the capabilities and achievements of our great university. Do not let us become victims in this environment. Let us be leaders. How much time and thought do you think Jack has given to this issue in the last 2 days, or 6 months for that matter? Over-under at 45 minutes. |
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Post by guru on Sept 13, 2012 10:16:25 GMT -5
Wow. It smells desperate in here.
Look, the ACC is not going to throw us a life vest on this. They have no reason to at all. It's clear that the conference landscape is going to shake out most if not all of the schools with big-time football programs, and leave the others on the outside looking in. That includes us.
So we're about to enter a period of adjustment for G-town hoops. If you want to call it "mid-major," then go ahead - I know we'd all take the hoops results of mid-majors like Butler and VCU the past few seasons. The truth is that we can still compete at a very high level - it's going to take different thinking and planning, but it can be done. At this point in the game, going hand in hat to the ACC is the laziest option available, and beyond that it is doomed to fail. We shouldn't be hoping that someone in the AD is calling Tobacco Road and begging - we should be hoping that someone is starting to chart a new course for Georgetown basketball, one that can keep it competitive in the new environment. Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and a few others have been doing it for years if not decades.
This doesn't have to be a disaster. On the contrary, I think it can be our finest hour.
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Post by bmartin on Sept 13, 2012 10:21:29 GMT -5
I don't see losing Notre Dame as much of a loss.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Sept 13, 2012 10:27:57 GMT -5
I don't think it will happen this year, but at some point I think we'll be forced to create our own non-BCS football conference with some of the non-BCS football schools currently in the Big East and select members of the A-10. Call it the "Catholic league" or whatever, but it would create stability and a chance to grow a league brand without having to worry about football realignment. The teams would look something like this:
Georgetown
Providence
St. John’s
Villanova
St. Joseph’s
DePaul
Marquette
Xavier
Butler
Dayton
Lee Reed said last year to donors something along the lines of having the ability to get on the phone and make something like this happen very quickly. Right now we still benefit from being with the football schools - particularly Louisville, Cincinatti, and UConn. However, if any of these schools decide to leave, I think you'll see a conference like the one above formed very quickly. Yes, it would be a difficult transition, but it would create a stable conference with committed schools that don't have conflicting interests.
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Post by hsb on Sept 13, 2012 10:29:25 GMT -5
Agreed. ND wasnt around when we went to the final four 3 times in the 1980s.
So they wont be around when we go 3x in the 2000 teens (no pressure III - the original III I might add)
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Post by reformation on Sept 13, 2012 11:00:22 GMT -5
Pep Talk for our leadrship- Our leadership has to act like they are running a top 20 research institution, with major Division 1 athletics. Please Mr. Tagliabue, Degioa, Reed et al, find us an athletic home that matches the capabilities and achievements of our great university. Do not let us become victims in this environment. Let us be leaders. How much time and thought do you think Jack has given to this issue in the last 2 days, or 6 months for that matter? Over-under at 45 minutes. Agree, I don't believe that DeGioia believes that our sports other than men's basketball is a focus of excellence for the univ--that is not the case at our non ivy academic peers, e.g., Duke, Northwestern, Vandy, ND and obviously Stanford. That's why I don't expect much in the way of creative thinking/action on this front--I sincerely hope I'm wrong on this |
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Post by fsohoya on Sept 13, 2012 11:05:13 GMT -5
I don't think it will happen this year, but at some point I think we'll be forced to create our own non-BCS football conference with some of the non-BCS football schools currently in the Big East and select members of the A-10. Call it the "Catholic league" or whatever, but it would create stability and a chance to grow a league brand without having to worry about football realignment. The teams would look something like this: Georgetown Providence St. John’s Villanova St. Joseph’s DePaul Marquette Xavier Butler Dayton Lee Reed said last year to donors something along the lines of having the ability to get on the phone and make something like this happen very quickly. Right now we still benefit from being with the football schools - particularly Louisville, Cincinatti, and UConn. However, if any of these schools decide to leave, I think you'll see a conference like the one above formed very quickly. Yes, it would be a difficult transition, but it would create a stable conference with committed schools that don't have conflicting interests. This isn't a bad bball league, but it would have serious attendance problems because they are all small(ish) private schools. (That's what's mainly left when D1 football's out of the equation.) Maybe add VCU, GMU,and ODU to this and it gets better. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 13, 2012 12:55:46 GMT -5
Georgetown is now in a terrible situation. With the loss of Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Boston College , Virginia Tech and West Virginia, and the decline of Connecticut without Calhoun, the Big East as a conference no longer holds any value for Georgetown. Not only does the loss of these athletic programs hurt us,it is the loss of these universities that hurts us as well. Georgetown now sits in a conference without a single school in the Association of American Universities and with a half dozen schools that don't even have phi beta kappa chapters. People will now perceive and will increasingly perceive over time, that we are the academic quality of Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, DePaul, St. John's, Louisville, Marquette, South Florida and Memphis. Somehow, I don't think that a dominant parameter in people's perception of Georgetown's academic excellence, or lack thereof, is the makeup of its athletic conference. We have lots to worry about. This, IMO, is not too high on the list. I believe that few kids, if any, will choose or reject Georgetown based on whether our athletic league competitors have phi beta kappa chapters. |
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Post by 757hoyafan on Sept 13, 2012 13:30:43 GMT -5
So ND will get to play in a better bowl than other ACC schools depending on their ranking & W/L record. Wow!
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Sept 13, 2012 13:43:21 GMT -5
look for louisville to leave next because the acc will take louisville because they are going to be pretty good in football in the future.and the bball team will be good under pitinio,that is what i really think will happen next maybee after this year.the acc will add 16 team.it just does not make sense to stay at 15.
go hoyas.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Sept 13, 2012 15:27:40 GMT -5
I will admit the news of ND leaving was tough - in and of themselves they aren't that big a deal from a hoops perspective, but the Big East Tournament is going to start to look a bit spare - and ND's non-basketball/football teams are all quite strong. I still can't get over all these teams with monstrous NY alumni bases who give up strong exposure in the media capital of the US. The 60 day window to negotiate with ESPN just opened. It is likely to go nowhere. During that period ESPN will continue to try and maneuver teams out of the Big East to conferences where they have broadcast rights. When the window closes, the conference will be in a position to get a huge contract from Comcast/NBC, which currently has nothing to show on its all sports network and is in this for the long haul with a massive cash cow in its cable operations. I am 25+ year Hoya supporter, and the talk of academics is what confuses me - the Big East has never been a particularly stellar academic conference, and Georgetown has always been the most competitive academic school in the conference in terms of admissions. The idea that playing Temple and Memphis and SMU instead of, say, Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia affects the school's academic perception doesn't compute. They just need to be in a conference where they are on TV alot and the rest of it will take care of itself. www.newsday.com/sports/college/college-football/big-east-hopeful-that-4-time-zone-coverage-appeals-to-tv-networks-1.3927384 |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 13, 2012 15:29:06 GMT -5
The ACC fully hopes, if not expects, that ND will become a football member in the future, and sooner rather than later; I don't think it wants to add a member and have 15 football schools right now, but if it reels ND in in the next 2-3 years, Louisville would certainly be a huge target, as the best BE football team right now and a recognizable bball program, whether or not pitino is still there whenever it were to happen.
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Post by Cambridge on Sept 13, 2012 16:57:20 GMT -5
The perverse result of all of this may just be that Georgetown/Nova/Marquette/Louisville/Memphis as some of the few remaining marquee names in basketball end up getting much more tv exposure nationally on whatever network it is that ends up with the Big East deal than they do currently.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Sept 13, 2012 17:25:30 GMT -5
I believe that Vanderbilt would be a good fit for the Big East..... Louisville fans that I hear talking on sport talk shows prefer the Big 12 if they consider leaving the Big East.
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Post by jgalt on Sept 13, 2012 18:00:54 GMT -5
The perverse result of all of this may just be that Georgetown/Nova/Marquette/Louisville/Memphis as some of the few remaining marquee names in basketball end up getting much more tv exposure nationally on whatever network it is that ends up with the Big East deal than they do currently. Exactly. This isnt the end of the world, until there is a value put on it. Without a TV deal there is no value, so you cant determine if the BE has lost any value. Once a new deal is in place everyone will feel better about it. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 13, 2012 19:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Sept 13, 2012 19:36:02 GMT -5
And the main problem is that none of these schools support nearly as many teams as Georgetown. Even the Big East schools on the list are big laggards—DePaul has only 13 varsity teams, for example, and Marquette has only 10. Unless Georgetown sticks with the big boys in a major conference, it's going to have a hell of a time figuring out how to avoid cutting half its sports. I definitely agree with you on this for the most part. However, there are always ways to find leagues to house the sports that the main league doesn't - i.e. ECAC for Lacrosse, Sailing is non-NCAA anyway, Colonial for Rowing, etc. |
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