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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 12, 2012 15:02:10 GMT -5
I heard discussion on ESPN of ND having to wait 27 months and pay a $5 million exit fee; wasn't that fee raised and effective as of this school year?
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Post by kghoya on Sept 12, 2012 15:12:23 GMT -5
Somebody pointed out that ND paid Charlie Weis $6M for his FIRST buyout payment.
This $5M is nothing. A joke.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Sept 12, 2012 15:15:52 GMT -5
If Notre Dame football doesn't join the ACC when their NBC contract is over, this would be a strange move for the ACC. wouldn't the ACC/ESPN have to guarantee them more than they are getting now from NBC? How would that sit in Blacksburg and Tallahassee? |
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Post by tonyparker on Sept 12, 2012 15:22:45 GMT -5
Probably should have posted this here. Let's hope perception doesn't equal reality. |
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Post by calhoya on Sept 12, 2012 15:33:18 GMT -5
Digger Phelps quoted as saying it is easier for Notre Dame to go to the ACC than to send its non-football sports to California and Idaho every year. Unfortunately, another ESPN "expert" talking out of the wrong end. Neither SDSU nor Boise St. will be involved in the BE for anything but football, meaning Notre Dame would never have gone to play them.
In any event, the lack of leadership in the BE continues to haunt the conference as they have extended their boundaries beyond ridiculous in an effort to save football. I have never been a fan of adding the Western schools including the one down the road. These desperate moves were short-term band-aids and they have apparently not worked. Hopefully the Hoyas can start their own survival plan and try to put together a future in a conference which will still have national relevance, regardless of the football programs. Perhaps they can join the ACC as others suggest, but why would a conference want to crowd 3 teams into the DC/Baltimore metropolitan area? Of course it works in Carolina.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 12, 2012 15:34:10 GMT -5
This sucks. Big East basketball tradition being torn to pieces. It's rather sad.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 12, 2012 15:58:13 GMT -5
This sucks. Big East basketball tradition being torn to pieces. It's rather sad. How old are you? I'm 33 and I don't really consider ND basketball to be carrying any real Big East Basketball tradition. Well I guess that might depend on how much you value coach of the year awards. |
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Post by Big Dog on Sept 12, 2012 16:01:00 GMT -5
The facts are that football is all that matters, and we don't have a real football program. People bemoaning that we will be second tier seem to miss the point that without FBS football, we were always second-tier.
Basketball is different. Unless the NCAA disbands, there is room for this Big East and for national success equivalent to what we've been doing.
But to complain about loyalty and bitch about ESPN, etc.? Naive and small time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 12, 2012 16:09:02 GMT -5
I heard discussion on ESPN of ND having to wait 27 months and pay a $5 million exit fee; wasn't that fee raised and effective as of this school year? The exit fee was only raised for the football schools. The non-football schools remained at $5 million. Georgetown would face the same exit fee if it went anywhere. |
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 12, 2012 19:02:07 GMT -5
A conference with 15 teams is illogical as well but that didn't stop them :-P.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Sept 12, 2012 19:12:36 GMT -5
Of all the strange things watching the Syracuse sports news tonight they were talking about how nice it would be for Gtown to now come over.
I'm an old school stick with BE guy but I also enjoy rivalries. At this point I'm on board with jumping if the opportunity knocks to keep Gtown bball relevant.
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Post by NCHoya on Sept 12, 2012 19:13:01 GMT -5
ACC commissioner John Swofford: "There's no need to add a 16th team, and no intention to do so. From a practical standpoint, it's illogical." Based on this quote, I guess he is only considering Football schools. A BBall-only choice would be an admission that ND would never join the conference for Football. I doubt they want to give up so quickly. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 12, 2012 19:55:48 GMT -5
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 12, 2012 20:43:43 GMT -5
Jack and Lee need to go on bended knee to Swofford and convince him why adding Georgetown is logical. JT Jr needs to call Dean Smith and Boeheim. JTIII needs to reach out to Coach K and Dixon. Patrick needs to call MJ. Roy needs to cosy up to Hansbrough. Someone needs to lock Feinstein up and not let him write about this.
There should be an all out assault on this opportunity, however slim.
But do we have the leadership and vision? Will we let the actions of others determine our future?
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Post by jgalt on Sept 12, 2012 20:46:43 GMT -5
Jack and Lee need to go on bended knee to Swofford and convince him why adding Georgetown is logical. JT Jr needs to call Dean Smith and Boeheim. JTIII needs to reach out to Coach K and Dixon. Patrick needs to call MJ. Roy needs to cosy up to Hansbrough. Someone needs to lock Feinstein up and not let him write about this. There should be an all out assault on this opportunity, however slim. But do we have the leadership and vision? Will we let the actions of others determine our future? You forgot Nike. Money talks. They have money. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 12, 2012 20:49:40 GMT -5
Agreed. All out assault. We have nothing to lose.
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Post by reformation on Sept 12, 2012 21:47:17 GMT -5
Jack and Lee need to go on bended knee to Swofford and convince him why adding Georgetown is logical. JT Jr needs to call Dean Smith and Boeheim. JTIII needs to reach out to Coach K and Dixon. Patrick needs to call MJ. Roy needs to cosy up to Hansbrough. Someone needs to lock Feinstein up and not let him write about this. There should be an all out assault on this opportunity, however slim. But do we have the leadership and vision? Will we let the actions of others determine our future? No! and Yes! I can't imagine that duo making a strong pitch for anything--they are also incredibly risk averse and reactive. I can't imagine that they would try anything which is not a sure thing. |
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Sept 12, 2012 21:53:43 GMT -5
I would think (hope) that if III feels strongly about this he would make it known to Reed and Jack to get to work. Landing in the ACC at this point would be a complete blessing if somehow it could ever happen. Everyone bemoaning it for various reasons need to wake up. The most important thing it brings is STABILITY. National exposure/relevance are much needed. We match up too well with the ACC as a school now than the BE unfortunately.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 12, 2012 22:47:32 GMT -5
Georgetown is now in a terrible situation. With the loss of Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Boston College , Virginia Tech and West Virginia, and the decline of Connecticut without Calhoun, the Big East as a conference no longer holds any value for Georgetown. Not only does the loss of these athletic programs hurt us,it is the loss of these universities that hurts us as well. Georgetown now sits in a conference without a single school in the Association of American Universities and with a half dozen schools that don't even have phi beta kappa chapters. People will now perceive and will increasingly perceive over time, that we are the academic quality of Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, DePaul, St. John's, Louisville, Marquette, South Florida and Memphis. Meanwhile the Pac 10 includes academic competitors like Stanford, Cal, UCLA and USC, the Big 10 has Northwestern and nine other AAU members, and the ACC has two of the top ten engineering programs, Duke, Virgina, UNC and Notre Dame and the SEC has Vanderbilt.
I was one who was all for academic slumming in the Big East when being in the Big East made us a national power and afforded us the opportunity of winning the national championship. The Big Least of today, will no longer do that, and is on its way out as one of the major football (and basketball) conferences. It has nothing more to offer us that is worth the continued price of academic slumming.
That being said, what can Georgetown do to preserve its secondary sports who need a venue to play (remember the pure basketball schools do not have lacrosse sailing et al which is another reason to get out of the Big East) and our competitive FCS football team. The options are not good here either. While the Patriot League put s us in an academic class with stronger schools, and gives us a better venue for the secondary sports, all the teams in the conference are now ponying up with scholarships for football. We will not be competitive athletically over time in that conference.
There are two scenarios that work for us. Both are long shots but must be tried. One is to become the 16th basketball school in the ACC. To do this will require some sort of side deal with Maryland to keep them from blocking us. To make this happen like Nixon went to China, Tagliabue must go to College Park. This is the better of the two scenarios I am laying out since we still remain a Division 1 basketball power and hold our academics together in a strong academic conference.And the ACC has the full complement of secondary sports.
The other is to get the Ivy League to absorb us. This is less good since we will sacrifice any chance of being a national championship power in basketball, but it may be the best thing for the university since it solves all our other problems (saving the secondary sports, keeping our FCS football competitive in a league with no scholarships etc.) and has residual benefits. We have the quality of student body, plethora of secondary sports, and academic programs with world class strengths in law and international affairs to fit in almost seamlessly. All the Ivies have large student bodies in the nation's capital that would love an every other year tailgate.
We face two obstacles in making the move to the Ivy League happen. One, can we be competitive in football. I think we can and the three week stand we have coming up with Yale, Princeton and Brown will prove it. Two, can we overcome the historical anti-Catholic biases in top level academia and the residual feeling that any Catholic institution is by its very nature second rate and stifles academic freedom. This is more problematic but like a lot of things it is as Everett Dirkson said when the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed, "there are ideas whose time has come." We need to appeal to the Ivy League boards of trustees and argue our world class research excellence and the reach of our alumni influence around the world and that Georgetown is not the parochial school it was 60 years ago but a research power with the same objectives and performance of any of the ancient eight. I think this can and should be done, and that the benefits the Ivies would get from an outpost in DC make this an idea "whose time has come."
I hope our senior leadership realizes just how terrible our situation is in the Big Least now and tries to play either of the above two cards.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 12, 2012 23:27:11 GMT -5
And there is one other thing that should be said. If JT III were to get hit by a bolt of lightning, or go to another Big Time program, we would instantly drop out of big time basketball. This is a risk we carry every day and if it did happen, in the ACC we could still compete and get a replacement and in the Ivy League we could still compete at that level with a suitable replacement. In the Big Least of today and in years future, we would be kaput.
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