jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Sept 18, 2012 20:59:28 GMT -5
Taking a snapshot of last year's Big East and then tallying the comings and goings is an interesting academic exercise - and Winn has to fill his days with something - but overall I think it is premature. The new schools will all benefit from their Big East affiliation in terms of recruiting in hoops and schools like Houston and SMU all have traditions to draw on to make the leap, while Temple and Memphis are already outstanding. As for the departures, watch Pitt in particular - they benefited enormously from the Big East in hoops and playing in the league of Duke, UNC, and Everyone Else may hurt them in a number of ways. It's all about the NBC TV contract at this point. Whether the Big East has 6, 7, or 8 NCAA teams next year isn't the measure. A solid TV contract and a the BET in NYC and the conference will quickly rise to one of the top two hoops conferences in America. Also love the new commish. ACC football just got so much worse, and the ND "all for one, one for ND" football agenda is going to make schools like Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Florida State furious over time. I was surprised that those schools agreed to the $50 million fee to secede(I presume it required a unanimous vote, or we would have heard about dissension), since they would seem the most likely targets from the ACC for other conferences; makes me wonder whether they may have an inkling that ND will eventually be joining for football as well, skyrocketing the TV contract. The issue did not pass unanimously. Maryland and Florida State voted no.--Adminarticles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-12/sports/os-florida-state-acc-exit-fee-vote-20120912_1_exit-fee-new-fsu-fsu-athletics-directorWhat about all that "FSU loves the ACC" crap we heard  , and I guess UMD thinks the Big 10 might want them at some point  |
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Sept 19, 2012 7:47:24 GMT -5
The B1G doesn't want a UMCP, it already has Indiana and Northweatern and UMCP academics leave a lot to be desired.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Sept 19, 2012 8:42:47 GMT -5
I must be missing something. What on earth does UMCP have to do with Indiana and Northwestern?
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Sept 19, 2012 11:02:59 GMT -5
Media estimates have projected the Big East's deal annually will be worth between $60 million to $130 million. Those figures would translate to between $3 million to $6.5 million for each football-only member and $4 million to $8.7 million for each full member.
"They'll crawl back once the TV deal is done," the source said.
Why would they if other conferences were able to get at least 17 million per school..
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 19, 2012 11:57:46 GMT -5
ESPN interview Brey says he wants to play st john nova gu> gimme a break COULDA PLAYED THEM ALOT IF YOU DIDNT JUMP SHIP[ JUST ONE MANS OPINION. GO HOYAS.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 19, 2012 11:58:17 GMT -5
METEORS TO SOUTH BEND AS WE SPEAK . go hoyas.  ;D ;D ;D |
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Sept 19, 2012 12:09:06 GMT -5
Media estimates have projected the Big East's deal annually will be worth between $60 million to $130 million. Those figures would translate to between $3 million to $6.5 million for each football-only member and $4 million to $8.7 million for each full member. "They'll crawl back once the TV deal is done," the source said. Why would they if other conferences were able to get at least 17 million per school.. Is this an article? Source? |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 19, 2012 12:09:48 GMT -5
757: The source isn't suggesting that the teams that left the BE (and now have access to the ACC or the B12's money) will crawl back. Obviously, if those numbers are right, they'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Instead, he's suggesting that potential members that recently spurned the BE's overtures (i.e., some or all of AFA, Army, BYU) will crawl back and ask to get in since the BE will be getting more than those schools otherwise have access to.
The better question is whether his numbers are right in terms of what the package essentially is worth. Under any scenario, those numbers would be a disappointment. But we need to consider the highly conflicted source of the information (our friends at ESPN) who, of course, have incentive to publicize that the number likely is low and then if they offer even a bit more than that, they hope to have it perceived by the schools as a big number.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Sept 19, 2012 12:10:19 GMT -5
Media estimates have projected the Big East's deal annually will be worth between $60 million to $130 million. Those figures would translate to between $3 million to $6.5 million for each football-only member and $4 million to $8.7 million for each full member. "They'll crawl back once the TV deal is done," the source said. Why would they if other conferences were able to get at least 17 million per school.. Is this an article? Source? |
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Post by dTRAIN on Sept 19, 2012 12:53:03 GMT -5
Any 'estimates' by ESPN need to be taken with a grain (or many grains) of salt. As DFW has been correctly pointing out, these guys are likely behind blowing the whole thing up, so why would we trust their data. I friend of mine works for CBSSports (their new network) and he said everyone in the industry is pulling for the Big East, as we are the first ones to basically have said no to ESPN......hopefully it will work.
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Post by jgalt on Sept 19, 2012 13:19:30 GMT -5
Any 'estimates' by ESPN need to be taken with a grain (or many grains) of salt. As DFW has been correctly pointing out, these guys are likely behind blowing the whole thing up, so why would we trust their data. I friend of mine works for CBSSports (their new network) and he said everyone in the industry is pulling for the Big East, as we are the first ones to basically have said no to ESPN......hopefully it will work. Even if there is no conspiracy, ESPN is negotiating with the BE for that deal. So "Media estimates" is such a bogus term. Its even worse than "sources close to the situation". Media estimates, to me, means, I (the author) read a bunch of articles (i.e. media) then took an average of those figures (an estimate). But yeah, CBS, NBC, FOX know that if they ever want to compete with ESPN/ABC on sports they need football. And the only property out there right now is the Big East. So demand should help some. I think NBC is best positioned (as I have said many times), but CBS likes college sports a lot it seems, so they may be a player. |
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 19, 2012 13:26:09 GMT -5
If we have the opportunity to go to 16 in football with BYU, Air Force, and Army, we should do it. Provides additional buffer in the event Louisville or UConn or someone else gets an offer from the B12 or wherever. And those are well established programs with national fan bases.
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Post by thebin on Sept 19, 2012 15:22:21 GMT -5
If we have the opportunity to go to 16 in football with BYU, Air Force, and Army, we should do it. Provides additional buffer in the event Louisville or UConn or someone else gets an offer from the B12 or wherever. And those are well established programs with national fan bases. Without a doubt that is best case realisitc scenario for football....a good football name with real national appeal in BYU and the inclusion of Commander in chief trophy as an all-BE event. If we didn't mind being cruel....adding those schools and saying good bye to DePaul and either SHU or Providence at the same time just to eliminate the worst of the dead weight? Huge upgrade. But no....I don't really want to do that to old BE hoops teams. Just saying is all.... |
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Sept 19, 2012 16:04:39 GMT -5
FOX is 49% owner of the PAC12 network and the B1G networks, so they have some college football available, but not the SEC or BIG 12, the crown jewels of college football for TV.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Sept 19, 2012 17:19:24 GMT -5
FOX is 49% owner of the PAC12 network and the B1G networks, so they have some college football available, but not the SEC or BIG 12, the crown jewels of college football for TV. Ah, your right. Forgot that. They also have the mountain west for FSN West, but that is of little consequence. Also to put this into perspective the MLB has a deal with ESPN for 700 mil, per year! and that only includes the new play-in bogus-playoff game, no other play off or WS games. And MLB will have a similar deal with Fox and Turner soon (though NBC is trying to get in on it) College sports are small in comparison to the pros so we should all remember how "cheap" it is for the networks to pick them up. But they make great sports content filler because there are so many games played and highlights to show |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 19, 2012 21:44:59 GMT -5
What does Georgetown currently receive annually from the existing television contract?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 19, 2012 22:23:59 GMT -5
What does Georgetown currently receive annually from the existing television contract? ESPN has reported in the past the eight I-A schools each get $3.125 million of a $40 million annual fee to the conference. That would leave the remaining eight to get $1.875 million each. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 19, 2012 23:23:34 GMT -5
Okay. Thanks.
I wonder what a non-football full member would receive under a new $60-120 million conference contract? I hope it is at least as much as Georgetown currently receives. It would be quite a disappointment and surprise to many if it turns out to be less.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 20, 2012 8:31:58 GMT -5
There isn't an alternative for the Hoyas unless they decide to go to the A10 right? What other multi-bid league would accept Georgetown tomorrow?
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Sept 20, 2012 10:17:54 GMT -5
we certainly don't hold the cards tp dictate, however, let's keep positive, simething will work out.
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, and I guess UMD thinks the Big 10 might want them at some point 
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