Olympic Hoops: Dream Team vs. 2012

[DudeSlade]

I was thinking about the makeup of the USA roster, who would ideally be there, and why we are short on big men (including Hoyas like Roy & Greg). I must admit the addition of Anthony Davis over others is just weird to me -- if he were the Christian Laettner of this group, I get it, but when we only have 2 other legit big men in Chandler & Love, I don't get why we wouldn't add a guy who could actually play. I know he was called as an emergency to replace Blake, but why not someone who is more likely to get solid minutes? I assume Roy was ineligible based on everything we've heard.

But I wanted to get others opinions on who would have been likely if fully healthy and who should have received stronger consideration (or why they didn't).

Injured guys who would have been strong candidates if healthy: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, Lamarcus Aldridge, Andrew Bynum (while healthy now, he just finished his first injury free season, so he likely wanted the chance to rest and recover) -- to me, any combo of 5 of those 6 would seem to be locks for the team, probably replacing AD, Iguodala, Harden, Chandler, and Westbrook.

Guys that I would think merit strong consideration (especially big men for the Anthony Davis spot): Rajon Rondo (is he injured?), Amare Stoudemire (injury concerns again?), Zach Randolph, Paul Millsap, Al Jefferson, Demarcus Cousins, Greg Monroe, Ryan Anderson (Most Improved Player last year, young, and a big guy who can stretch the floor), JaVale McGee (rebounder/defender like AD but has played in the NBA), David Lee, Danny Granger, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Al Horford (does he play for the Dominican?), Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Brook Lopez (not a fan of his in general, but a big guy in the upper half of NBA centers, so at least he could contribute), Joachim Noah (again, not a fan in general, but good defender/rebounder in upper half of NBA centers, who could actually give solid minutes on the floor in place of Love/Chandler, unlike AD). I'm sure I'm missing others.

It just surprised me that AD, who as mentioned is likely just being groomed for 4 years from now, would be chosen even on an emergency basis when we are only taking 3 big guys total and there are very solid options elsewhere who could still contribute and spell Chandler & Love - including our own Greg Monroe, who would seem an excellent choice for international ball and is also young and has huge upside. Why wouldn't Greg (or some of these others) have been in the original pool over AD? i just hope it doesn't hurt us when we face a Spain or the like.

Also, I don't agree with Kobe that the 2012 Olympic team is better than the Dream Team, but I think a team of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Dwight Howard, and Andrew Bynum (which is the team I think we should have if all are healthy and willing to play for Team USA) should be favored over the Dream Team.

[cosmopolitanhoya]

Jul 18, 2012 2:30:35 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

I was thinking about the makeup of the USA roster, who would ideally be there, and why we are short on big men (including Hoyas like Roy & Greg). I must admit the addition of Anthony Davis over others is just weird to me -- if he were the Christian Laettner of this group, I get it, but when we only have 2 other legit big men in Chandler & Love, I don't get why we wouldn't add a guy who could actually play. I know he was called as an emergency to replace Blake, but why not someone who is more likely to get solid minutes? I assume Roy was ineligible based on everything we've heard.

But I wanted to get others opinions on who would have been likely if fully healthy and who should have received stronger consideration (or why they didn't).

Injured guys who would have been strong candidates if healthy: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, Lamarcus Aldridge, Andrew Bynum (while healthy now, he just finished his first injury free season, so he likely wanted the chance to rest and recover) -- to me, any combo of 5 of those 6 would seem to be locks for the team, probably replacing AD, Iguodala, Harden, Chandler, and Westbrook.

Guys that I would think merit strong consideration (especially big men for the Anthony Davis spot): Rajon Rondo (is he injured?), Amare Stoudemire (injury concerns again?), Zach Randolph, Paul Millsap, Al Jefferson, Demarcus Cousins, Greg Monroe, Ryan Anderson (Most Improved Player last year, young, and a big guy who can stretch the floor), JaVale McGee (rebounder/defender like AD but has played in the NBA), David Lee, Danny Granger, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Al Horford (does he play for the Dominican?), Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Brook Lopez (not a fan of his in general, but a big guy in the upper half of NBA centers, so at least he could contribute), Joachim Noah (again, not a fan in general, but good defender/rebounder in upper half of NBA centers, who could actually give solid minutes on the floor in place of Love/Chandler, unlike AD). I'm sure I'm missing others.

It just surprised me that AD, who as mentioned is likely just being groomed for 4 years from now, would be chosen even on an emergency basis when we are only taking 3 big guys total and there are very solid options elsewhere who could still contribute and spell Chandler & Love - including our own Greg Monroe, who would seem an excellent choice for international ball and is also young and has huge upside. Why wouldn't Greg (or some of these others) have been in the original pool over AD? i just hope it doesn't hurt us when we face a Spain or the like.

Also, I don't agree with Kobe that the 2012 Olympic team is better than the Dream Team, but I think a team of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Dwight Howard, and Andrew Bynum (which is the team I think we should have if all are healthy and willing to play for Team USA) should be favored over the Dream Team.

This USA team is a very good team, but it cannot be compared to the Dream Team because it lacks of quality big men. Even if Bosh, Howard and Bynum were on this team, they would still get crushed by the Dream Team's front court that includes our legend Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, Olajuwon, Barkley. In the 90's era, big men dominated - they grew up watching guys like Bill Russell dominate the league and there were players who grew up aspiring to be like them. The players now grew up watching MJ, which is the reason why we see a lot of good wings and guards in this era, but not many big men. Ewing in college / fresh in the league was scary good - if he didnt have the knee problems/injuries and kept his form from college, people would probably remember Ewing as the greatest center of the era, if not all time, not Hakeem. Plus, there would have been no way LBJ guarding guys like Barkley who would just muscle through everything.

Aside from the dream team vs. current USA team discussion, I think Roy should have made it because of the scarcity of the big men. Although his stats are not 20-10 like the big men in that era, he is still the only decent player in the league with the height over 7 feet. He still gives the presence in the paint, which this USA team sorely lacks, and I don't think AD can provide that with his skinny frame.

[kghoya]

I don't remember Olajuwon in Barcelona...

[kchoya]

Jul 18, 2012 19:35:43 GMT -5 kghoya said:

I don't remember Olajuwon in Barcelona...

He wasn't.

[DudeSlade]

Jul 18, 2012 20:53:51 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Jul 18, 2012 19:35:43 GMT -5 kghoya said:

I don't remember Olajuwon in Barcelona...

He wasn't.

Correct. It was David Robinson. The advantage for this current team that Kobe spoke to is the speed and athleticism that the Dream Team simply couldn't match -- Stockton, Magic, Bird, Mullin, Drexler simply couldn't keep up (especially with Magic & Bird older) with Paul, Williams, Westbrook, LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Harden, Iguodala, Carmelo, even with MJ & Pippen. If the current roster featured Wade & Rose as well, plus the extremely athletic big guys that are missing like Howard, Bynum, and Bosh or Aldridge, I think you'd see a great game. But the Dream Team's bigs would be too much for this current team.

I'm assuming that Roy had to be a ineligible or couldn't get the situation resolved in time, because the news was that Team USA was definitely interested in him.

Did Greg get invited to the youth select team to scrimmage Team USA? If not, I don't get it at all. Even Bill Simmons said he'd take him over Cousins (who was on the select team) in his Player Value Rankings. And I would take either on Team USA over Anthony Davis. Maybe in 4 years, it's different, but right now Davis does very little to help the team.

[kchoya]

Jul 18, 2012 23:09:46 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

Jul 18, 2012 20:53:51 GMT -5 kchoya said:

He wasn't.

Correct. It was David Robinson. The advantage for this current team that Kobe spoke to is the speed and athleticism that the Dream Team simply couldn't match -- Stockton, Magic, Bird, Mullin, Drexler simply couldn't keep up (especially with Magic & Bird older) with Paul, Williams, Westbrook, LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Harden, Iguodala, Carmelo, even with MJ & Pippen. If the current roster featured Wade & Rose as well, plus the extremely athletic big guys that are missing like Howard, Bynum, and Bosh or Aldridge, I think you'd see a great game. But the Dream Team's bigs would be too much for this current team.

I'm assuming that Roy had to be a ineligible or couldn't get the situation resolved in time, because the news was that Team USA was definitely interested in him.

Did Greg get invited to the youth select team to scrimmage Team USA? If not, I don't get it at all. Even Bill Simmons said he'd take him over Cousins (who was on the select team) in his Player Value Rankings. And I would take either on Team USA over Anthony Davis. Maybe in 4 years, it's different, but right now Davis does very little to help the team.

Monroe did not get invited, but Greg Stiemsa (sp?) did. Monroe's game would be perfect for the int'l game.

Your right that the 2012 would have no answer for Ewing, Robinson, Malone and Barkley.

I also think the dream Team's athleticism is underrated. Aside from Bird and Magic, everyone was in their prime, and Magic was still younger than Kobe.

[hoyaboya]

Jul 19, 2012 4:40:38 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Jul 18, 2012 23:09:46 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

Correct. It was David Robinson. The advantage for this current team that Kobe spoke to is the speed and athleticism that the Dream Team simply couldn't match -- Stockton, Magic, Bird, Mullin, Drexler simply couldn't keep up (especially with Magic & Bird older) with Paul, Williams, Westbrook, LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Harden, Iguodala, Carmelo, even with MJ & Pippen. If the current roster featured Wade & Rose as well, plus the extremely athletic big guys that are missing like Howard, Bynum, and Bosh or Aldridge, I think you'd see a great game. But the Dream Team's bigs would be too much for this current team.

I'm assuming that Roy had to be a ineligible or couldn't get the situation resolved in time, because the news was that Team USA was definitely interested in him.

Did Greg get invited to the youth select team to scrimmage Team USA? If not, I don't get it at all. Even Bill Simmons said he'd take him over Cousins (who was on the select team) in his Player Value Rankings. And I would take either on Team USA over Anthony Davis. Maybe in 4 years, it's different, but right now Davis does very little to help the team.

Monroe did not get invited, but Greg Stiemsa (sp?) did. Monroe's game would be perfect for the int'l game.

Your right that the 2012 would have no answer for Ewing, Robinson, Malone and Barkley.

I also think the dream Team's athleticism is underrated. Aside from Bird and Magic, everyone was in their prime, and Magic was still younger than Kobe.

It's not clear to me that the Select team is the "next best" set of young players that could be chosen for future Olympics squads. My take is that the Select team is comprised of players that fit certain roles that the Olympics coaches want to practice against. Stiemsma fits the role of try hard, hustle big guy that will set screens and make the Olympics players work harder in practice. I wouldn't take Stiemsma's selection to mean that he's ahead of Monroe in potential future Team USA rosters' pecking order.

Only other comment is that while Magic was younger than Kobe, he did have that HIV-positive thing going on that probably made him less physically able than Kobe is today, particularly based on early-1990s medical practices compared to today.

[cosmopolitanhoya]

Jul 18, 2012 23:09:46 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

Jul 18, 2012 20:53:51 GMT -5 kchoya said:

He wasn't.

Correct. It was David Robinson. The advantage for this current team that Kobe spoke to is the speed and athleticism that the Dream Team simply couldn't match -- Stockton, Magic, Bird, Mullin, Drexler simply couldn't keep up (especially with Magic & Bird older) with Paul, Williams, Westbrook, LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Harden, Iguodala, Carmelo, even with MJ & Pippen. If the current roster featured Wade & Rose as well, plus the extremely athletic big guys that are missing like Howard, Bynum, and Bosh or Aldridge, I think you'd see a great game. But the Dream Team's bigs would be too much for this current team.

I'm assuming that Roy had to be a ineligible or couldn't get the situation resolved in time, because the news was that Team USA was definitely interested in him.

Did Greg get invited to the youth select team to scrimmage Team USA? If not, I don't get it at all. Even Bill Simmons said he'd take him over Cousins (who was on the select team) in his Player Value Rankings. And I would take either on Team USA over Anthony Davis. Maybe in 4 years, it's different, but right now Davis does very little to help the team.

Thanks for the correction - even if Howard was on the current team, this team has no chance against the Dream Team due to the front court in the era. If Howard had a slightly higher basketball IQ, he would have been able to match the centers in the era, but that's still a big IF(bball IQ wise, he is a complete idiot who muscles through everything). In that sense, I think the continue-to-develop Roy has a potential to be one of the best centers in this era because his skills are improving and he has a very strong fundamental / IQ.

The current team's athleticism will have no chance of penetraing MJ, Pippen, Malone and Barkley's defense anyway, so there is no question who will win.

[Hoyaholic]

Sorry, but I have a really hard time believing that the best athletes in any sport from 20 years ago would stand a chance against the best today. Everyone romanticizes how great the Dream Team was because of their dominance in the Olympics, but that was a function of the fact that basketball abroad was in its infancy and the Dream Team was beating up on a bunch of tomato cans. At the time, the only foreigner that was considered an elite player was Hakeem.

If you took the 12 best American players today, their size and athleticism would be orders of magnitude greater than the Dream Team's. Its simple progress. Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

As great as the Dream Teamers were, they played against lesser competition, period. Today's global talent pool today is much, much deeper than in 1992. In 1992 there were 21 international players on NBA rosters; in 2011 it was 84, and many of those were All-Star caliber players. Its not unlike the impact of desegregation in baseball; except in the NBA the integration occured organically as international talent developed.

To wit: Jordan's most famous shot came while he was being guarded by freakin' CRAIG EHLO. It was not a switch off a screen, either - the assignment to cover the best athlete in the league on an inbounds play with a playoff series on the line went to Craig Ehlo. That was the athletic depth of the league at the time.

You can bemoan today's style of play (like I do) and the lack of fundamentals many young players tend to display (like I do), but the NBA is first and foremost a game of athletes, and today's athletes are superior in every way.

[kchoya]

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Sorry, but I have a really hard time believing that the best athletes in any sport from 20 years ago would stand a chance against the best today. Everyone romanticizes how great the Dream Team was because of their dominance in the Olympics, but that was a function of the fact that basketball abroad was in its infancy and the Dream Team was beating up on a bunch of tomato cans. At the time, the only foreigner that was considered an elite player was Hakeem.

If you took the 12 best American players today, their size and athleticism would be orders of magnitude greater than the Dream Team's. Its simple progress. Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

As great as the Dream Teamers were, they played against lesser competition, period. Today's global talent pool today is much, much deeper than in 1992. In 1992 there were 21 international players on NBA rosters; in 2011 it was 84, and many of those were All-Star caliber players. Its not unlike the impact of desegregation in baseball; except in the NBA the integration occured organically as international talent developed.

To wit: Jordan's most famous shot came while he was being guarded by freakin' CRAIG EHLO. It was not a switch off a screen, either - the assignment to cover the best athlete in the league on an inbounds play with a playoff series on the line went to Craig Ehlo. That was the athletic depth of the league at the time.

You can bemoan today's style of play (like I do) and the lack of fundamentals many young players tend to display (like I do), but the NBA is first and foremost a game of athletes, and today's athletes are superior in every way.

This is the most insane post ever. It's like saying Wilt would average 3 and 2 in today's NBA.

Stick figures? Dwight wishes he could carry the Mailman's jock.

[SFHoya99]

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Sorry, but I have a really hard time believing that the best athletes in any sport from 20 years ago would stand a chance against the best today. Everyone romanticizes how great the Dream Team was because of their dominance in the Olympics, but that was a function of the fact that basketball abroad was in its infancy and the Dream Team was beating up on a bunch of tomato cans. At the time, the only foreigner that was considered an elite player was Hakeem.

If you took the 12 best American players today, their size and athleticism would be orders of magnitude greater than the Dream Team's. Its simple progress. Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

As great as the Dream Teamers were, they played against lesser competition, period. Today's global talent pool today is much, much deeper than in 1992. In 1992 there were 21 international players on NBA rosters; in 2011 it was 84, and many of those were All-Star caliber players. Its not unlike the impact of desegregation in baseball; except in the NBA the integration occured organically as international talent developed.

To wit: Jordan's most famous shot came while he was being guarded by freakin' CRAIG EHLO. It was not a switch off a screen, either - the assignment to cover the best athlete in the league on an inbounds play with a playoff series on the line went to Craig Ehlo. That was the athletic depth of the league at the time.

You can bemoan today's style of play (like I do) and the lack of fundamentals many young players tend to display (like I do), but the NBA is first and foremost a game of athletes, and today's athletes are superior in every way.

Today's NBA players may be better athletes (I think they probably are), but "orders of magnitude" are ridiculous.

The Dream Team Bigs would outplay Team USA 2012. Dwight is a physical specimen, but he'd still be unable to mount an effective offensive game.

Either way, your commentary on Ehlo has to be one of the all time all-but-non-sequiter comments ever. Jordan was once guarded by Craig Ehlo. Craig Ehlo was white and therefore a bad defender (which is only half true). Therefore the ENTIRE NBA WAS MADE UP OF SUBPAR ATHLETES!

Was that really how the logic sounded in your head?

[gujake]

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

If you took the 12 best American players today, their size and athleticism would be orders of magnitude greater than the Dream Team's. Its simple progress. Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

Dwight Howard isn't on the team. Also, if you compare the two rosters, the 1992 team is actually taller and weights at least the same. Athleticism could be argued, but the idea that the 2012 team is just bigger is wrong imo.

[Hoyaholic]

I made no such statement. I should have pointed out that Cleveland won 57 games and tied for the second best record in the NBA that year. They were an elite team, and Craig Ehlo was their best defender; or at least he considered the best option to guard the best player in the world at the most important moment of the year. I think that speaks for itself, with no knee-jerk race-reactions necessary.

[Hoyaholic]

Jul 19, 2012 19:27:02 GMT -5 gujake said:

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Dwight Howard isn't on the team. Also, if you compare the two rosters, the 1992 team is actually taller and weights at least the same. Athleticism could be argued, but the idea that the 2012 team is just bigger is wrong imo.

I know he isn't on the team. The post that I was responding to was speculating on how he would match up with Ewing and Robinson if he were on the team.

Also, perhaps I wasn't clear in my previous post, but my opinion is based on what I think would happen if the Dream Team played a team consisting of the 12 best American players today - with guys like Duncan, Wade, Howard, etc - not the team as currently composed.

[SFHoya99]

Jul 19, 2012 19:33:52 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

I made no such statement. I should have pointed out that Cleveland won 57 games and tied for the second best record in the NBA that year. They were an elite team, and Craig Ehlo was their best defender; or at least he considered the best option to guard the best player in the world at the most important moment of the year. I think that speaks for itself, with no knee-jerk race-reactions necessary.

Why is Craig Ehlo an indicator of poor athletic depth in the NBA?

Please feel free to cite factual measurements or even quotes that he was a poor athlete.

[x-centercourt400s]

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

Ewing played at 7', 255 lbs (www.nba.com/history/players/ewing_summary.html)

Howard is listed at 6'11", 265 lbs (www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/)

Your post is ignorant on facts and laughable otherwise. Ewing was a beast when he was Howard's age and would have matched up well with him.

[hoyazeke]

Jul 19, 2012 19:33:52 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

I made no such statement. I should have pointed out that Cleveland won 57 games and tied for the second best record in the NBA that year. They were an elite team, and Craig Ehlo was their best defender; or at least he considered the best option to guard the best player in the world at the most important moment of the year. I think that speaks for itself, with no knee-jerk race-reactions necessary.

Ehlo didn't D Jordan because he was there best defender. He checked Jordan because Ron Harper was too valuable offensively to waste fouls on Jordan.

Also the athletes of today arent better than the athletes of 20 yrs ago. LeBron is a freak but no one else is an mouth dropping specimen. Laettner was better than any big in the L today..........

[Filo]

Jul 19, 2012 19:13:35 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Sorry, but I have a really hard time believing that the best athletes in any sport from 20 years ago would stand a chance against the best today. Everyone romanticizes how great the Dream Team was because of their dominance in the Olympics, but that was a function of the fact that basketball abroad was in its infancy and the Dream Team was beating up on a bunch of tomato cans. At the time, the only foreigner that was considered an elite player was Hakeem.

If you took the 12 best American players today, their size and athleticism would be orders of magnitude greater than the Dream Team's. Its simple progress. Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

As great as the Dream Teamers were, they played against lesser competition, period. Today's global talent pool today is much, much deeper than in 1992. In 1992 there were 21 international players on NBA rosters; in 2011 it was 84, and many of those were All-Star caliber players. Its not unlike the impact of desegregation in baseball; except in the NBA the integration occured organically as international talent developed.

To wit: Jordan's most famous shot came while he was being guarded by freakin' CRAIG EHLO. It was not a switch off a screen, either - the assignment to cover the best athlete in the league on an inbounds play with a playoff series on the line went to Craig Ehlo. That was the athletic depth of the league at the time.

You can bemoan today's style of play (like I do) and the lack of fundamentals many young players tend to display (like I do), but the NBA is first and foremost a game of athletes, and today's athletes are superior in every way.

This is the most insane post ever. It's like saying Wilt would average 3 and 2 in today's NBA.

Stick figures? Dwight wishes he could carry the Mailman's jock.

Nah, he's right. Jesse Owen and Jim Thorpe were just average athletes too, since they went against stiffs way back when.

[blueandgray]

Jul 19, 2012 20:40:11 GMT -5 x-centercourt400s said:

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

Ewing played at 7', 255 lbs (www.nba.com/history/players/ewing_summary.html)

Howard is listed at 6'11", 265 lbs (www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/)

Your post is ignorant on facts and laughable otherwise. Ewing was a beast when he was Howard's age and would have matched up well with him.

Ewing > Howard

[Hoyaholic]

Jul 19, 2012 20:40:11 GMT -5 x-centercourt400s said:

Jul 19, 2012 19:07:39 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Next to Dwight Howard, Ewing or Robinson would look like stick figures; he is a speciman without peer and would absolutely dominate them physically.

Ewing played at 7', 255 lbs (www.nba.com/history/players/ewing_summary.html)

Howard is listed at 6'11", 265 lbs (www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/)

Your post is ignorant on facts and laughable otherwise. Ewing was a beast when he was Howard's age and would have matched up well with him.

Ewing was 230 when he graduated at age 23, played most of his career at 240, and was only 255 when he was hanging on in the league with Seattle and Orlando. Howard is one inch shorter yet has between 25lbs and 35lbs of additional muscle on his frame than Ewing in his prime. He would have a tremendous strength advantage.

I agree they would have matched up well, particularly Ewing circa 1992. In fact I give 1992 Ewing the edge (Howard would probably give Ewing that 18 ft baseline jumper all day long)

I'd like to know what else you find laughable about my opinion.