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Post by tashoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:33:55 GMT -5
I didn't read much of the posts because I can't stomach it tonight. Only positives I can think to say are that Vee and Markel played well. Markel is really active on defense and I loved seeing that. He was an upgrade over JC on D tonight. There were rumblings that Jason was sick and he played like it. If, in fact, he is sick, I appreciate him getting out there but he looked off. The team as a whole looked off. We looked slow and sluggish and just never got a rhythym. We just looked flat. We showed sparks of life but they were few and far. Austin made some awful passes. Jason and Hollis had moments of acting where I thought they were better suited for a Duke squad. Henry looked un-new-Henry-like and Julian, frankly, looked overmatched. Also, I was really confused by some of the lineups at times but I guess maybe JT3 was looking for something or someone that could light a fire under the guys tonight and it just didn't happen. In any case, I chalk it up as an aberration. Bad game and, somehow, we were still in it. I hope that's the worst we look all year and Temple dudes were having career nights (nice D by us jokingly and nice D by them honestly) and we still had a shot to win. Another thought, that's twice by Hollis with awful, awful shots to end the game. His bacon was saved last time. This time was just miserable. I actually preferred the leaner 3 with too much time left as he had a chance to make THAT shot. Move on. Kudos to Temple for getting up for the game. It's always a painful watch playing Temple and this one was no different.
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Post by nodak89 on Dec 9, 2010 23:34:16 GMT -5
I think we lost the game as much (or more) on those shot clock violations and last second chucks as Hollis's non-dish at the end
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 9, 2010 23:35:39 GMT -5
ewingjr6 All I know is that that was kinda a selfish play because @mrjujuvaughn was open for a dunk under the basket YES. EXACTLY, PAT. Uh, I don't love the idea of an alum publicly calling out a current player like that. If he wants to come back to McD and teach Hollis about being an effective, unselfish SF/PF, then so be it. To tweet about his end-of-game play? Not so cool. (Correct, but not so cool.)
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Post by deacon on Dec 9, 2010 23:35:59 GMT -5
People are being unfair to Julian. The entry passes were so late and telegraphed it was unbelievable and that gives defenders a chance to set up to slap it away and double him. The guards did nothing to make it easier for Julian. Yes he did turn it over weakly a couple times but he also made his free throws and some other nice plays and the front court of Temple did not kill us. Bull Vaughn has got to MEET THE BALL/spread out and be STRONG! He played like a pansy for most of the game tonight-and on both ends. If you are going to have butterfingers--you shouldn't be out there. If you can't catch a ball thrown to you--get off the court. If you are going to let a player on the ground take the ball from you--get in the damn weight room and do some forearm curls to make your hands/strength better. He gets no pass at all-he was terrible. He was, but he's just limited as a player.
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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:40:03 GMT -5
Meh, i still dont have any problem with what happened at the end of the game. As was said, if Hollis is able to get the ball out of his hands to Julian (and, I think the only reason he didnt was because he got slightly bumped), we get an easy layup. Not calling a TO is the right call to me. Our offense looked awful all night running our plays against Temple. Hollis just couldnt make the play. It happens, it's basketball. I get that. Maybe Hollis makes a good play and we win. But I don't understand how anybody could be satisfied that none of your best players are involved in the last shot. Simple as that. Wright needs to be the one creating in that situation - not passing to a guy who now has a track record of making the wrong decisions in that situation.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2010 23:41:16 GMT -5
NODAK good point good nite folks see you sunday we move on
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Post by jester on Dec 9, 2010 23:42:33 GMT -5
It seemed every time we got it to 2 we made boneheaded plays. One time a foul in the backcourt, Vee let his guy go right by him to the rim, shot clock violation, bad turnover...plus we had a three pt foul by Austin in the beginning. Need to get it together.
III made a lot of subs...maybe he knew what he was doing or maybe he was trying stuff out...not sure whats worse cuz it didnt work.
Lubbick needs to be a better PF for us...yeah hes a freshman but we need a bigger contribution.
Sometimes we ran our sets and they were almost painfully methodical/slow, sometimes we abandoned them...Temple is tough on D and the first road game against a D team is effective...I remember we used to win games that way.
Bright side: there is arguably as much talent on this team as Duke's team last yr - just need to fix some things play hard each time and anything is possible...
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Post by gujake on Dec 9, 2010 23:42:36 GMT -5
Vee Sanford makes an impact every single time he plays. I would be interested to see the +/- tonight because it seemed like we played a hell of a lot better when he was out there. He is our best guard on defense by far.
On a night like tonight when our guards are playing horrible defense and not playing very good offense either, would have liked to see more Vee.
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Dec 9, 2010 23:45:02 GMT -5
It's funny---after every game we praise Vee. It's almost like he is the one constant. I agree. Kid really is a player and he really believes in himself.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:50:02 GMT -5
This was a road game against a tough team. I think we lost the game in the first ten minutes when we let Temple score 25 more than we lost it on our last offensive possession.
I'd like to see Austin get the ball in that situation, but I can't blame Hollis for driving into the paint. It was good help defense by Temple more than anything else. With 20-20 hindsight, Hollis might have dumped it off to JV when the help came, but he didn't. Tonight's drive by Hollis was much better than the crazy shot he took in Kansas City at the end of the game. It just did not work out this time.
Ever since DJ Owens hit that game winner against Nova, I've always liked the fact that JTIII trusts his team to run the offense without a timeout in many end of game situations. It does not give the opponent's defense a chance to set up, and I think it teaches our players how to think and react in those situations.
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Post by WVHoyasfan on Dec 9, 2010 23:51:26 GMT -5
One quick question!! Why did'nt Lubbick get any playing time? I bet he did'nt three minutes the whole game.
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Post by deacon on Dec 9, 2010 23:52:42 GMT -5
All in all, undoubtedly the worst game of the year but the fact that they had a chance to win it at the end against a good team is a definite positive.
However, as much as I like his newfound offensive confidence, Hollis shouldn't be starting. Against a team like Temple, and BE teams like Pitt and Syracuse, he is too much of a liability defensively and on the boards. I'm cringing at the mere thought of him trying to defend Rick Jackson in the post. Temple purposely attacked him early in the post and we can't afford to play small ball against teams like that.
Also, the perimeter defense is almost laughable. We're trying to guard with our hands instead of moving our feet.
And agree with the sentiment that Chris has to find a way to get the ball in Austin's hands at the end of games. I don't know what Hollis was thinking of, but that drive is another example of Hollis displaying his low basketball IQ. He looks lost on defense enough as it is, but this is the second time in the last three games where he's shown absolutely no idea of time and situation at a critical point late in a game.
Lots of lessons to be learned.
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Post by newsouth on Dec 9, 2010 23:54:13 GMT -5
It's funny---after every game we praise Vee. It's almost like he is the one constant. I agree. Kid really is a player and he really believes in himself. +1. As good as our guards usually are on offense, they still seem to struggle against quick guards on defense. I love the intensity and quickness Vee brings on D. He seemed like the only guy who could stay in Fernandez tonight...
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Post by chep3 on Dec 10, 2010 0:00:21 GMT -5
Why is everyone like "oh all Hollis had to do was make a pass and we're happy?" When has Hollis made that pass? I don't mean that as a knock on him, it's just a question of development. Last year, Hollis couldn't drive. This year he can drive to score. Next year he'll probably be able to make that pass. But the only guys on this team that can make the play some people are envisioning Hollis being close to making are Chris and Austin. It's the equivalent of saying an end of the game 3 by Julian is ok because all he had to do was make it--it's a question of what players are capable of and knowing their limitations. Hollis will get there...but he's not there right now. That ball has to be swung to Austin.
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Post by jester on Dec 10, 2010 0:00:21 GMT -5
when is the highlight video posted?
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Post by gujake on Dec 10, 2010 0:03:37 GMT -5
One quick question!! Why did'nt Lubbick get any playing time? I bet he did'nt three minutes the whole game. No idea
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Post by nodak89 on Dec 10, 2010 0:06:37 GMT -5
for the record, I changed my avatar after the game.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 10, 2010 0:06:43 GMT -5
First, it's Lubick.
Second, I cringed at that last shot by Hollis but saying he doesn't deserve to start and all of the other crap is just that. Crap. Kid's a player. Kid's a player out of position doing his best because we lack a better option. If you thought DaJuan was playing out of position, Hollis is well beyond that. What does he weigh? And he's doing a solid job for how out of position he is. If anything, he should be getting the ball more and using his advantage in mobility against opposing 4's. If you think Hollis has a low basketball IQ, you're just not watching what I'm watching.
Nate Lubick is doing a solid job as well. He is a freshman and he's going to play like one. And we've already gotten more from him than we could have hoped.
If you want to focus on a problem tonight, pick on Jason's defense and Austin's passing decisions. In any case, I still think it was just a bad game for us and that was all. And, while I'm not a huge fan of Pat calling Hollis out on Twitter, I'm not privy to the relationship between the 2 guys. I am, however, a fan of all of the grads being on top of the games and paying attention and hopefully providing input on a more personal level than Twitter. Greg giving the leggoooo like he's still a part of the program (and he's a Hoya for life as we all are) is pretty great. Bad game. Not a bad loss per se. Move it along.
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Post by Just Cos on Dec 10, 2010 0:13:20 GMT -5
It is a tough losss but like some have said I don't think most believed we were going undefeated out of conference. The defense was bad tonight. Several individual plays I could question. A few things I read that are ridiculous:
- in game thread - someone said there goes the one seed...really? - vee is the only positive every time. If that was the case he would start or atleast get more minutes. Trust coach. - we'll get crushed by (insert big east team name here). Glad in one OOC road game you've made this jump. Way to forget the positive feelings of earlier in the season. This team will and always does get better.
We lost. We didn't show up. That's what happens. But it is 2010 and I want a 2011 NCAA championship.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 10, 2010 0:14:03 GMT -5
From the AP Recap:
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