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Post by calhoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:17:20 GMT -5
Pathetic defense tonight. I knew that this loss was coming because of Temple's discipline on defense. Mostly disappointed that this evening's game will be rerun a dozen times in the Big East if we cannot develop an offense from the 4/5 positions. Julian's final stats may look okay but he did not have a good game and is not having a good year. Bad defense, easy misses, not getting back--not what is needed from a senior. Would rather have kept Henry in the game. However, putting Henry, Jerelle or Nate in is an announcement that the player is there for rebounding and defense only--no concern about any offense from more than 5 feet out from the basket. As for the last attempt by Hollis--it may help him develop, but he too did not play well tonight. Nor did he play much at all, which was a little disappointing. He needs the experience. Return of Good Chris/Bad Chris tonight--great plays, wild passes, acrobatic moves, out of control moves. I guess he is what he is and we will win far more with him without him. Austin and Jason were invisible too often. Now I feel a little better, but what a poor effort overall against a less talented team. On to the next game.
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Post by Dhall on Dec 9, 2010 23:17:54 GMT -5
People are being unfair to Julian. The entry passes were so late and telegraphed it was unbelievable and that gives defenders a chance to set up to slap it away and double him. The guards did nothing to make it easier for Julian. Yes he did turn it over weakly a couple times but he also made his free throws and some other nice plays and the front court of Temple did not kill us.
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2010 23:18:07 GMT -5
JV is a very solid player... he just needs to know his limits. When he caught the ball and went right up he scored. Handling the ball, on the other hand, lead to problems. He was money on the free throw line which shows he's put a lot of work into it. I strongly disagree. He's a mediocre player at best, and the idea that he is our lead big man in a conference as bruising as the Big East should frighten all of us. I agree on the fts though. Not saying he's not a hard worker, or a good kid. I just don't think he's a legit starting center in the Big East.
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nodak89
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Post by nodak89 on Dec 9, 2010 23:19:36 GMT -5
I guess this was "one to grow on"*
good things: FT shooting, Vee not so good: losing cutters behind the zone
*youngsters, you might need to googlepedia that one
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2010 23:19:48 GMT -5
please note moses is coming go hoyas temple is over time to move on the three headed center with the best shot blocker to come to the hilltop since pat ewing is coming yup on sunday and by the big east he will be playing some and playing some d so temple is OVER moses is coming to the mountaintop oops hilltop that is we will be just fine... g o hoyas
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 9, 2010 23:20:21 GMT -5
Only thing I take away as a positive--they continued to fight hard and found a way to get a chance to win in a game they had no business being in. This.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2010 23:20:39 GMT -5
last ps horrible o and d game and we almost won on the road vs a very good team and excellent defensive team so we will be ok
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 9, 2010 23:21:40 GMT -5
JV is a very solid player... he just needs to know his limits. When he caught the ball and went right up he scored. Handling the ball, on the other hand, lead to problems. He was money on the free throw line which shows he's put a lot of work into it. I strongly disagree. He's a mediocre player at best, and the idea that he is our lead big man in a conference as bruising as the Big East should frighten all of us. I agree on the fts though. Not saying he's not a hard worker, or a good kid. I just don't think he's a legit starting center in the Big East. Where does 'very solid player' lead to this sort of reaction? I didn't say he was Chris Bosh or anything [sarcastic comparison intended - try Shaquille O'Neal if you want serious]. He's a solid big man. He has a lot of weaknesses. He's more of a 4 than a 5.
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Post by RDF on Dec 9, 2010 23:21:47 GMT -5
III has trusted Wright twice at end of game without a timeout--and both times he made odd choice/panic pass--but Hoyas got the break they needed in Missouri game and didn't tonight--although this team has got to learn to GO UP STRONG--that sissy like flip Hollis put up might cut it in the damn WNBA--but it's not going to get anything in a real game. He's not alone though--this team has got to get tougher--and that is mentally and physically. They have heart--but they don't have toughness--too many guys bend at waist while Temple is diving on ground after the ball--and go to the RIM STRONG--quit fading/flopping. Vaughn trying to take a charge--this isn't a HS game--stay down and challenge a shot. Soft fouls, dumb decisions (Freeman passing 40 ft up the court to Benimon--what would've he done if he caught it?--he was not going to split 2 guys and go in for hoop).
This could be best thing to happen to team or it could be peak into future. Really up to them to look at film--talk it over and let's be honest--Wright's lost privilege of going without a timeout--ignoring Freeman 1 time for last shot is acceptible--2 times-it's not--and III's got to draw up a play--so they can not only get a better look but have more time to tip/foul if they miss that look instead of desperation we saw tonight.
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 9, 2010 23:22:30 GMT -5
Just watched the replay on the last play again. Positive: Hollis absolutely abused his defender on the drive to the basket. A split second decision to pass instead of shoot and we win. That's the only difference between a win and loss tonight.
Enjoyed the fight to stay in it.
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Post by gujake on Dec 9, 2010 23:23:33 GMT -5
People are being unfair to Julian. The entry passes were so late and telegraphed it was unbelievable and that gives defenders a chance to set up to slap it away and double him. The guards did nothing to make it easier for Julian. Yes he did turn it over weakly a couple times but he also made his free throws and some other nice plays and the front court of Temple did not kill us. Agreed that people are being unfair about his offense, but not his defense.
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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:23:46 GMT -5
I like that we didn't call a timeout on the last play. Don't let Temple's defense get set up and trust your guys to make a play. Austin was wide open and Julian was wide open. Hollis just didn't make the right play. Fine - then you need to coach up Hollis beforehand so he doesn't make such a bad decision. Team was obviously rushing when they looked at coach to see if he wanted them to call a time out. They were out of sorts, and coach should have recognized it.
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Post by RDF on Dec 9, 2010 23:24:18 GMT -5
People are being unfair to Julian. The entry passes were so late and telegraphed it was unbelievable and that gives defenders a chance to set up to slap it away and double him. The guards did nothing to make it easier for Julian. Yes he did turn it over weakly a couple times but he also made his free throws and some other nice plays and the front court of Temple did not kill us. Bull Vaughn has got to MEET THE BALL/spread out and be STRONG! He played like a pansy for most of the game tonight-and on both ends. If you are going to have butterfingers--you shouldn't be out there. If you can't catch a ball thrown to you--get off the court. If you are going to let a player on the ground take the ball from you--get in the damn weight room and do some forearm curls to make your hands/strength better. He gets no pass at all-he was terrible.
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Dec 9, 2010 23:27:55 GMT -5
ewingjr6 All I know is that that was kinda a selfish play because @mrjujuvaughn was open for a dunk under the basket
YES. EXACTLY, PAT.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 9, 2010 23:28:31 GMT -5
Meh, i still dont have any problem with what happened at the end of the game. As was said, if Hollis is able to get the ball out of his hands to Julian (and, I think the only reason he didnt was because he got slightly bumped), we get an easy layup. Not calling a TO is the right call to me. Our offense looked awful all night running our plays against Temple. Hollis just couldnt make the play. It happens, it's basketball.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:29:54 GMT -5
We are definitely in trouble if we cannot get the 4/5 positions to be full contributors. Don't need to hear that Julian is tougher than Monroe. Monroe is not on this team. Julian has to be tougher than his opponent. Or we can just give Henry more of a green light on offense. What the hell is Jerelle doing taking a 3? We have a bunch of one-dimensional bigs right now and that will have to change. Good point above about some of the bad decisions--crazy passes. For all the grief he is going to take for his last shot, I would still like to see more of Hollis. No question he is talented. As for losing to a quality team, we shall see. I doubt Moore hits 30 again this year. Half his points were simply from outsmarting or outhustling his defender. No excuse for that in a game like this.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2010 23:31:54 GMT -5
gu jook honest fair calm true comments go hoyas MOVE ON BEAT THEM UP ON SUNDAY GO HOYAS
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 9, 2010 23:32:50 GMT -5
bigs and Julian did not play well, nobody did.
but I just want to see one of our guards (I love them, really do..but..) STAY IN FRONT OF SOMEONE!
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Post by chep3 on Dec 9, 2010 23:33:23 GMT -5
Let's not take too much out of this game in my opinion. First, we played a great defensive team, one that has good bigs as well. Second, we shot the ball poorly, partially because they made us but also because no one outside of Jason was hitting open looks. Third, while our defense was Edited poor in the first half, I thought we improved in that regard in the second (although I'm not committed to that conclusion as I was watching at a bar and having a harder time following the ebb and flow).
That being said, several things irked me tonight. Julian needs to be stronger with the ball (and I'm not talking about when he gets his wrist slapped on a huge rebound which should've been a foul). Moreover, if he doesn't have a good matchup or good position, he needs to send the ball back out. I felt like we got him shots just for the sake of him getting shots. He's not good enough to be a black hole where the ball goes in and doesn't come out. I thought that happened too much today. Hollis, wtf are you doing shooting that ball? Yeah, I get what binx says about him getting to a good spot and had he kicked the ball to Jason in the corner, Jason hits that and we all go home happy. But the difference between sophomore Hollis and senior Hollis is sophomore Hollis doesn't see that guy. Given that, the ball needs to be in the hands of Chris or Austin down 1 with time for a good shot. That was some weak stuff (as RDF put it) for the last shot in the game. And it makes his shot against Mizzou (which some speculated was taken to avoid a foul) look different. He needs to defer in that situation and not try and be the hero. Third, the defense in the first half was miserable and we let 23 get on a run, and that came back and bit us in the ass. THat happens far too often where we let a decent player get going and then no matter how well we D up in the second half, the guy's already hot (not to say we did a good job on him in the second half).
Just a frustrating game. One that we had no business being in but almost won. I guess there's something to be taken from that. But, let's hold our horses for a just a bit and use this to improve.
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2010 23:33:47 GMT -5
I strongly disagree. He's a mediocre player at best, and the idea that he is our lead big man in a conference as bruising as the Big East should frighten all of us. I agree on the fts though. Not saying he's not a hard worker, or a good kid. I just don't think he's a legit starting center in the Big East. Where does 'very solid player' lead to this sort of reaction? I didn't say he was Chris Bosh or anything [sarcastic comparison intended - try Shaquille O'Neal if you want serious]. He's a solid big man. He has a lot of weaknesses. He's more of a 4 than a 5. Ha - I just don't think he's a solid player, let alone a "very solid" one. And I honestly think if we had a very solid player at that position this season, we'd be a serious title contender. But we don't.
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