hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 9, 2010 23:04:40 GMT -5
Am I the only one that hates when teams settle for a 2 foot inbounds pass on final possessions like that? At least try to get it down the court a bit.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:05:01 GMT -5
i was thinking 'do we have a timeout?' one thing that frustrated me was that julian seemed a bit flat footed and awkward. we're going to need ayegba for uconn's inside possibly
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guru
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2010 23:05:24 GMT -5
That last possession is when the ball has to be in the hands of one of the senior guards (or at least Clark). Run DMV makes the right play there.
Tough stretch for Hollis - but I still like the kid. Just has to keep his head at end games. Better to learn it now.
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Dec 9, 2010 23:05:42 GMT -5
Coach lost this game. Crazy lineups in the first half, no plan out of timeouts or at the end of game, keeping Wright on the guy he obviously could not guard, ...
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Dec 9, 2010 23:05:43 GMT -5
If you were wondering "what happens when both Freeman and Wright have an off night," I think you have an answer now.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 9, 2010 23:05:58 GMT -5
Tough. I still don't think it will go down so much as a bad loss for us, more like a good win for Temple. But we deserved to lose. We still don't have that killer instinct to turn it on when the game is on the line or at least it didn't show up today. Free hasn't looked great the last two games, not sure why. But I'll repeat it Hollis shouldn't be making end of game decisions, EVER, especially when you have senior guards with experience. At least we see the weaknesses now and not sometime in Feb/March, hopefully we can learn from it.
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alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 9, 2010 23:06:02 GMT -5
eventually running into 'hot teams' and guys who have 'career games' stops being a coincidence.
this team has the choice of being an elite team or have another year with (less severe) highs and lows and it really all falls on the defense.
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Post by GUMBA on Dec 9, 2010 23:06:26 GMT -5
Got to hand it to Ramone Moore with 30 points and a steal lying on his back. The guy had the game of his life. And with all the history between the two coaches it is no wonder Temple plays such solid defense on the Hoyas. Fran knows Thompson and his offense probably better than any other coach.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2010 23:07:05 GMT -5
terrible game all were really bad defense losing the ball offense slow and we almost won vs a good temple team at their house hey we werent going undefeated ok??? so move on good teaching thingy for coach learn and move on game over move on.. ps let them get tooooo many putbacks on their offensive boards gotta step on oveer to help out coach will be teaching some lessons for sure NEXT GAME ;D ;D PS WE WERE NOT MEAN ENOUGH GOT OUTHUSTLED TOO MANY TIMES THAT ONE TIME JULIAN DIDNT SQUEEZE THE BALL AND THE GUY KNOCKED IT AWAY FROM HIS BEHIND ON THE GROUND LOVE JULIAN BUT everyone needed to be faster adn tougher on d and on o for sure go hoyas WIN SUNDAY AND MOVE ON
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 9, 2010 23:07:12 GMT -5
Well, tough loss. Glad it's not a BE game. But we will go undefeated from here out.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:07:35 GMT -5
Temple deserves all the credit tonight. Moore had the game of his life. Team probably had the collective game of their lives shooting FTs. They earned it.
We, on the other hand, stunk up the joint. And a lot of it was our own doing. Stupid turnovers. I have rarely seen a frontcourt play so weak from tip to buzzer. Guys just getting muscled out of the way repeatedly and refusing to adjust to physical play. I'm going to have nightmares of JV getting blocked repeatedly because he refuses to take it up strong (without a dribble) for the first 38 minutes in my head.
Last couple of thoughts before I go to bed: 1) Hollis really needs to stop trying to be the hero at the end. A dish to JV for an easy dunk and that game is ours. 2) We lost this game because we refused to play any semblance of transition defense off missed shots and live turnovers. 3) Coach should really institute the following rule: if your name is JV, HS, JB, or NL and you are wide open for a 3, there is a reason you're open. It's because you can't hit it. STOP SHOOTING THEM. They are empty possessions because a) you won't hit it and b) you aren't under the rim to rebound.
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guru
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2010 23:07:50 GMT -5
eventually running into 'hot teams' and guys who have 'career games' stops being a coincidence. this team has the choice of being an elite team or have another year with (less severe) highs and lows and it really all falls on the defense. Totally agree. The defense has to improve if this team has any hopes of a deep run in March.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 9, 2010 23:08:24 GMT -5
The "points in the paint" stat for temple are really going to surprise people.
Five of Temple's last seven points came from the line, from a forward averaging 31% this year. He went 5-6.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 9, 2010 23:08:44 GMT -5
This had the look of an exam week road game from the start.
Not satisfying at this very moment, but this will be a solid RPI road loss come tournament seeding time.
Too many turnovers - only 13, but that's too many for the pace of this game... and not enough stops on D. Offense looked way too herky jerky, but credit Temple for most of that.
Vee had a solid game.
You knew they were going to lose sometime and this was not a horrible one to lose (although it would have been nice if they played a little better).
Front line really did not play well overall... too many times getting beat on drives, not hustling on transition and watching the Temple player rebound the miss unopposed for a layup... etc.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2010 23:08:47 GMT -5
PS THIS TEAM IS GOOD coach knows what hes doing lets not get panicked here only a game with 18-22 year old kids .. lets MOVE ON HOYAS MOVE ON and lets not get too cooky on here ok??11 ;D
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 9, 2010 23:08:52 GMT -5
eventually running into 'hot teams' and guys who have 'career games' stops being a coincidence. this team has the choice of being an elite team or have another year with (less severe) highs and lows and it really all falls on the defense. It really says something about Julian's play tonight that he got stripped by a guy who was sitting on the ground. I don't care what his stat line looks like, Julian could have been the difference-maker in this game. Instead, he missed a layup, got blocked a few times, and dropped a handful of passes.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 9, 2010 23:08:53 GMT -5
wait a minute - we do have that killer instinct. final four teams have lost already this year....but it did make me think 'do we have anyone like [no. 23]?' No. Closests is freeman, but he went to sleep in 2nd half.
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nodak89
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Post by nodak89 on Dec 9, 2010 23:09:05 GMT -5
Temple played well and we played poorly.
I'll be over it soon, but losing always stings.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 9, 2010 23:09:10 GMT -5
Temple played good D, kept us from running the break and kept us from running any type of offense. But you have to be able to beat good defensive teams. We didn't have the fire to force our will on a tough team. And we let some dude drop 30 on us.
Really disappointed that Hollis didn't see several other options on our last real possession.
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hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 9, 2010 23:09:45 GMT -5
Haha, I must say I am surprised about all the negativity. We were never going to be undefeated.
Think about it, this game means nothing but is a learning experience for everyone, especially Hollis. Now we have a better idea how to grind out games, what changes we need to do, etc.
The defensive adjustment in the second half was very encouraging, I thought.
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