Nothing has changed

[paranoia2]

How about sheer aesthetics? The game was disgusting and Temple missed a slew of OPEN shots. The low point total was not a product of Gene Smith-like defensive intensity but instead the fact that TEMPLE SUCKS. The 2nd half defensive rebounding and interior defense allowed some guy named Levoy Allen to look like Lew Alcindor. The Georgetown players also play with no joy and no white knuckle intensity. Jason Clark is as close to a player that "burns" as we have. Look at the faces of the players and tell me if they are smiling or snarling? The answer is neither. That is a shame.

[SSHoya]

I think I saw Monroe emote more than he ever did last year, and he dove on the floor for loose balls. Agree as to Clark. I think a team tends to take on the persona of its coach and JTIII (as a general matter) is not a hot reactor.

[paranoia2]

I believe Jason Clark can and will be something special if he is turned loose a little. That kid can play. The players give effort but it seemed joyless imo. Like kids wearing suits and scratching at their neckties. Uncomfortable.

[lurkerhoya]

I'm really liking Clark and what he brings. Call me crazy, but I'd almost rather see him at the 1 with Hollis at the 2. That's not a knock on CW, just an acknowledgment that Clark is a better true PG at initiating the offense and CW doesn't seem to be able to play without the ball.

[TrueHoyaBlue]

Nov 18, 2009 13:47:47 GMT -5 paranoia2 said:

The 2nd half defensive rebounding and interior defense allowed some guy named Levoy Allen to look like Lew Alcindor.

Not at all, but what he did look like was Chevy Troutman, Hakeem Warrick, DeJuan Blair, Rick Jackson, Randall Hanke and a whole slew of athletic, physical (if not all supremely talented) 4's who have consistently given the Hoyas trouble by making hustle plays and picking up garbage points over the 13 years I've been following them.

[paranoia2]

Maybe an exaggeration but Levoy Allen's dunk was Alcindor-esque. Just a vicious one hand sky jam.

[swhoya]

Holy crap. Are we debating whether players are smiling again or not? I think the moniker paranoia is particularly apt for you.

For what it's worth, I saw several instances where both CW and Monroe were EditedED OFF.

[hifigator]

Nov 17, 2009 18:48:43 GMT -5 Boz said:

The team still plays for Georgetown.

The uniforms still say 'Hoyas.'

The colors are still blue and gray.

I still love 'em.


I agree....nothing has changed.

Well said, Boz!

[sleepy]

Nothing has changed, this board is still as irrational and delusional as it ever was. I read people saying they were depressed/disappointed after yesterday. HA. How anyone can be depressed after a win against a possible NCAA team in the second game of the season after last year is beyond me. Its like you people expected this team to come out and be dramatically better than they were at the end of last year at the first tip. Thats just not realistic.

Its rather stupid to say " Well at the end of last year we had really bad spacing, and our offense was out of sync, and there was little to no ball movement, and we couldn't hit shots, and our 2-3 zone was bad and yesterday we did the same things so it means there is no improvement and we will have the same type of year". Well guess what? Those issues were not at all unique to just the 2008-2009 Hoyas. Every Gtown team under III has had the same exact problems at one point in the season, the only differnce is that usually by March they had it all worked out. Last year.. not so much. So how anyone was NOT expecting most of the offensive problems we had yesterday is beyond me. Its November basketball... its not going to be pretty.

Yes, yesterday did show some serious weaknesses and points of concern. Theres nothing wrong with pointing them out. The Sims/Vaughn issue is of great importance, and something that needs to be fixed and improved on. Whether is comfort, skill, or readjusting the approach, it doesn't matter, they need to change it. But thats why III scheduled this game, to figure what is wrong with this team so they can fix it. To act like these things can't be improved on and that struggling right now spells doom is just silly and shows you don't pay enough attention.

[lancasterhoyafan]

My final thought on yesterdays game. The team is relieved to squeak out the win. Today they are back to the grind focusing on Savannah State on Saturday. I think they realize that there is plenty of room for improvement. Maybe my glasses are rose colored but this is a team that can play with and beat anybody out there. As dissapointing of a season we had last year, we still smoked UCONN at home and Beat Memphis on our home court. We're 2-0 fellas ranked 20th in the Nation and it's NOVEMBER! We're not going to be undefeated come January 1st 2010 but we'll be much better and more battle tested than most of our Big East Opponents. Lets Go HOYAS!

[cnyhoya]

Nov 18, 2009 14:52:17 GMT -5 lurkerhoya said:

That's not a knock on CW, just an acknowledgment that Clark is a better true PG at initiating the offense and CW doesn't seem to be able to play without the ball.

I agree with you. But how is that not a knock on CW?

[hifigator]

I watched the entire first half and then missed most of the second half -- getting there in time to watch last last 4 minutes or so. But from what I saw, criticizing the defense is out of line. There was plenty of areas for improvement -- offensive rythym, hitting open shots, defensive rebounding -- but I thought that the base defense did a good job. Of course when they aren't hitting shots either, the defense automatically looks better.

[strummer8526]

Nov 18, 2009 15:31:16 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Its like you people expected this team to come out and be dramatically better than they were at the end of last year at the first tip. Thats just not realistic.

We ended last year doing literally everything wrong. Yes, I did expect dramatic improvement. Yes, that is realistic. That's what we pay a coach to do. That's why we give 10 guys free rides to a top 25 university. Put in the work and get better. Fix the obvious strategic and preparation flaws. No excuses.

[theexorcist]

Nov 18, 2009 13:47:47 GMT -5 paranoia2 said:

How about sheer aesthetics? The game was disgusting and Temple missed a slew of OPEN shots. The low point total was not a product of Gene Smith-like defensive intensity but instead the fact that TEMPLE SUCKS. The 2nd half defensive rebounding and interior defense allowed some guy named Levoy Allen to look like Lew Alcindor. The Georgetown players also play with no joy and no white knuckle intensity. Jason Clark is as close to a player that "burns" as we have. Look at the faces of the players and tell me if they are smiling or snarling? The answer is neither. That is a shame.

To pile on a little more, Austin consistently looked like he was remarkably not happy about the way things were going. He did not look indifferent.

[robbyt]

Yo DFW you're right this offense seems to need particular types of players. I don't think I like that, really. But Starks and Lubick, from what I've seen, actually do seem to be those kind of players.

[sleepy]

Nov 18, 2009 16:06:52 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

Nov 18, 2009 15:31:16 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Its like you people expected this team to come out and be dramatically better than they were at the end of last year at the first tip. Thats just not realistic.

We ended last year doing literally everything wrong. Yes, I did expect dramatic improvement. Yes, that is realistic. That's what we pay a coach to do. That's why we give 10 guys free rides to a top 25 university. Put in the work and get better. Fix the obvious strategic and preparation flaws. No excuses.

Thats exactly my point. You can't expect a dramtic improvement in the first game. There are too many flaws that can only be fixed during games, during the season, and flaws you are going to have when you begin any season. The improvement in defense, rebounding, overall energy and a lot of individual player improvement is all you can really ask for at this point.
I think people focuse way too much on offense, especially this early in the season, and because we aren't playing very well on offense it means we haven't improved.
We are playing like a normal November team offensively. Yes we have a lot of points of concern, and yes there are great weakness that we share with last years team. But like you said we did everything wrong last year, so it would be near impossible not to share some common flaws. Right now we have bad off-ball movement, too many turnovers, not enough assists, a poor shooting. Sounds like almost every Georgetown team under III in November. People are focusing way to much on last year, and not reasonably considering the possibility that maybe just maybe this team will improve on its flaws in a way last years team didn't do and the way past Gtown teams have all done.

[mrsixer123]

This offense must go!!!!!!!!

[kchoya]

Nov 18, 2009 19:06:51 GMT -5 mrsixer123 said:

This offense must go!!!!!!!!

Did you get that from a text message?

I hope it's another 8 months before your next post.

[lurkerhoya]

Nov 18, 2009 16:00:29 GMT -5 cnyhoya said:

Nov 18, 2009 14:52:17 GMT -5 lurkerhoya said:

That's not a knock on CW, just an acknowledgment that Clark is a better true PG at initiating the offense and CW doesn't seem to be able to play without the ball.

I agree with you. But how is that not a knock on CW?

Well CW has a skill set that certainly has a purpose. I could envision him thriving as a 6th man looking to pump in points when he comes in. His style of play would be a nice change of pace from how we typically play and could help force other teams to adjust in a way that could create more favorable matchups for him and the other guys. That way, you get 25 min or so out of him, with 10 that help fill that lull where we get offensively stagnant. Except, now it wouldn't be a lull, it would be a complete change of pace, but one we can actually run.

[sleepy]

Nov 18, 2009 19:15:10 GMT -5 lurkerhoya said:

Nov 18, 2009 16:00:29 GMT -5 cnyhoya said:

I agree with you. But how is that not a knock on CW?

Well CW has a skill set that certainly has a purpose. I could envision him thriving as a 6th man looking to pump in points when he comes in. His style of play would be a nice change of pace from how we typically play and could help force other teams to adjust in a way that could create more favorable matchups for him and the other guys. That way, you get 25 min or so out of him, with 10 that help fill that lull where we get offensively stagnant. Except, now it wouldn't be a lull, it would be a complete change of pace, but one we can actually run.

Brilliant idea. Lets take one of our only 3 guys that can create a shot for himself and others or move without the ball and put him on the bench, especially considering how effective our offense already is. It will be so much fun to watch o watch other team run layup drills anytime they press us as well, because we can't get the ball over half-court.
After we do that how about we start Benimon for Monroe, because Monroe can't shoot a layup with a right hand and has too many defensive lapses.
Sorry but the insanity on this board is beyond me.