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Post by jgalt on Apr 8, 2009 21:40:45 GMT -5
best episode of the season. Locke and Ben are a great duo, like the odd couple or something. Thought the smokey scene was kind of lame in the way they did it.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Apr 8, 2009 21:53:14 GMT -5
**spoiler alert if you didn't see next week's preview**
I think the body in the bag, the one Miles is going to...um..speak? to is Amy's husband. He's going to blow the lid off of some sort of plot; after all, Ethan becomes an "other" somehow, right? Obviously he survived Ben's purge of Dharma, sooo...yeah. That's my contribution.
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Post by TC on Apr 8, 2009 23:05:01 GMT -5
That was definitely Anubis in the hieroglyphs. A little scared that Lost is going to turn into The Mummy - if we have Special Guest Star The Rock or Brendan Fraser in Season 6, I'm calling shark-jumping.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 8, 2009 23:32:33 GMT -5
best episode of the season. Locke and Ben are a great duo, like the odd couple or something. Thought the smokey scene was kind of lame in the way they did it. Yeah, it was a little....I don't know what I'd call it. It was like a combination of a scene from Twister and a montage of sad-Ben-daughter-moments. But it didn't look great. It's kind of like how the arm ripping off a few episodes ago, I thought was a bit ridiculous. But in context, I'll give them a break on both. This season has been amazing. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 9, 2009 8:45:58 GMT -5
Here's one question I have: Now that we know some of the "rules" and a little about the Smoke Monster—why did it kill Eko?
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Post by TC on Apr 9, 2009 8:48:30 GMT -5
Couldn't you make the argument that Eko killed his brother? And then didn't atone for it?
My guess is that somewhere along the way we get to Jack and the Monster/Christian.
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Post by Boz on Apr 9, 2009 8:57:58 GMT -5
Here is my big question(s) from last night:
When Ben went to see Widmore as he was being exiled on the sub, he mentioned the various ways in which Charles "broke the rules."
One of these was having a child with an outsider. Clearly, that child was Penny. So who is Penny's mother? I think that individual might become important somehow.
Also, weren't there hints earlier this season that Ellie and Widmore might be Faraday's parents? I can't remember if that was just fan rumor or whether there was something in the show itself that hinted at that.
So was Widmore cheating on Ellie when he fathered Penny? Or did he never have a child with Ellie at all? Are they related in some other way?
Or am I overthinking this whole thing? (a question I ask myself after every episode of Lost). Damn, I need to read Doc Jensen and the WP girls today to figure some of this out.
Regardless (or irregardless ;D ), this was an excellent episode. Ben Linus is probably one of the best characters on television since....hell, I don't know. Tony Soprano? Any other candidates?
Some other observations, questions, etc.:
- Was Alex really Alex who the island brought to life, or was she just a manifestation of Smokey, who (which?) is clearly capable of destroying Ben anywhere on the island if he ever disobeys? I lean toward the latter, for a number of reasons.
- Our Mutual Friend is my all-time favorite Dickens novel. I recommend it to everyone. It has some theme related to Lost, but it also has some of Dickens' darkest humor of his entire career.
- Is Ben not a good shot, or did he intentionally try not to kill Desmond? Because he was standing about 5 feet away and only hit him in the flank. Again, I lean toward the latter.
- Looks like Lapidus would have been better off staying with Sun after all. Nice welcome home he got. So, who is Sayid's lady/bounty hunter (forgot her name) and what does she know? What the hell is "the shadow behind the statue"?
(Yes, another bone thrown toward you four-toed statue freaks.)
- A Miles-Hurley centered episode next week is going to be awesome and funny.
- Alas, poor Caesar, "my main man". We barely knew ye. And yes, in his case, I truly think that "dead is dead" and he won't be coming back from it. The way this season is going, I will probably be proven wrong on that in two weeks though.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 9, 2009 8:58:51 GMT -5
Couldn't you make the argument that Eko killed his brother? And then didn't atone for it? Definitely. And he seemed pretty ruthless during some of his "African rebel" years (or whatever it is he was doing). I just am not sure that the smoke monster punishes general wrongs. Like Ben kept emphasizing that Widmore killing his daughter was breaking "a rule." But Ethan tried to kill Charlie. The Others seemed ok with killing people. Locke killed his dad. I'm not sure that just any old murder is what gets the Smoke Monster all hot and bothered. Maybe it is, though. Also, in response to Boz: I agree with both thoughts (the Smoke Monster manifested itself as Alex and Ben purposely did not try to kill Desmond). I'm kind of happy Cesar is dead. Not because he was a bad character. I actually expected his character to get a bit more run. But I'm happy that the show demonstrated to us that it is willing to dispense with people at will like that. I guess we always knew that Lost wasn't afraid of abandoning major characters without explanation (Claire, anyone?), but still...so long Cesar. My guess is that the shadow of the statue is the Temple. But what do I know? Ben Linus is really a great character. He completely contradicts himself. He's impossible to read. There's no way of telling what he knows, doesn't know, have control over, etc. And yet it remains believable and compelling...not just thrown together or figure-it-out-as-the-writers-go. |
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Post by TC on Apr 9, 2009 9:16:40 GMT -5
Murder seems to have something to do with it though - the scene where Widmore got angry at Ben for not killing Alex felt a whole lot like the one where Ben tried to get Locke to murder his father in front of the Others. It felt to me like both Locke and Ben were being gamed by the current leader (Ben and Widmore respectively) in order to disqualify them from leadership because of murder. I don't know how to reconcile that with the other murders we've seen on-island, whether self-defense plays into it, or what is going on there.
Also, is there some rule about not entering the Temple directly? I thought Ben was trying to trap them by entering the Temple, and then he seemed shocked when Locke said they were going under it.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 9, 2009 9:43:40 GMT -5
best episode of the season. Locke and Ben are a great duo, like the odd couple or something. Thought the smokey scene was kind of lame in the way they did it. I agree - the chemistry between the two is great. I love the acting by Terry Quinn - the little wave to Sun as she looked out the window: priceless. And what crawled up the butts of the survivors of the second plane crash? "What lies in the shadow of the statute?" What's up with that? I'm excited about more going on with the 4-toed statute, but not sure what they're doing with that group of survivors. |
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 9, 2009 10:21:27 GMT -5
yeah the ceasar killing was a bit much wasn't it? Didn't really give him a chance to back off now did he....looked like Ben was trying to get close to him/use him in some way....
overall a great episode though
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Post by jgalt on Apr 9, 2009 12:28:08 GMT -5
And what crawled up the butts of the survivors of the second plane crash? "What lies in the shadow of the statute?" What's up with that? I'm excited about more going on with the 4-toed statute, but not sure what they're doing with that group of survivors. I was thinking it might be similar to what happened with Rousseau and her friends. Im also thinking that they might have ended up inside of the temple wall and that is why they know about the statue and "what is in its shadow." but that doesnt reconcile with them landing on the smaller island and on the runway. Maybe that question was just a red herring, both for us and for lepidus. There might not be any answer and she figured if he answered he would be lying no matter the answer. Next week is going to be great fun. the best part of this season has been that the episodes focusing on "minor" characters have been great and have given more answers than the episode dealing with the love quadrangle folks. |
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Post by Boz on Apr 9, 2009 12:32:29 GMT -5
Personally, I consider the love quadrangle folks to BE the minor characters.
I think we all agree that Jack has some pivotal role to play as everything pans out, but is anyone really convinced that the same applies to Sawyer, Kate or Juliette (especially Juliette)?
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Post by TC on Apr 9, 2009 13:33:44 GMT -5
Boz, I think you're right - and that's a shame because Jack is the single most boring character on the show (the second most boring would be Kate). Locke and Ben and Caleb Nichol are now the stars.
BTW, why did Rousseau not recognize Ben when she trapped him in her net in Season 2 if he was the one who stole Alex? That made no sense to me - it would have made a lot more sense if Ethan had baby-napped her.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 9, 2009 14:39:34 GMT -5
BTW, why did Rousseau not recognize Ben when she trapped him in her net in Season 2 if he was the one who stole Alex? That made no sense to me - it would have made a lot more sense if Ethan had baby-napped her. The hair. It's all about the hair. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 9, 2009 14:54:34 GMT -5
At one point last night Ilana and Caesar seemed to have an agenda. Then Caesar got blown away. Will Ilana have any run now? Maybe with the four-toed statue. Jen and Liz (or just one of them) think that the front of the statue might have Locke's face.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 9, 2009 14:58:26 GMT -5
THOUGHTS FROM COMMERCIAL BREAKS: 5 - Great sequence... Locke demonstrating to Ben how annoying it is to be led around by the nose then sending him UNDER the temple, Locke assaulting Des and threatening Penny before thinking twice after seeing little Charlie and Des summarily whupping Ben's arse. Fantastic episode thus far. Buff, do you mean Ben threatening Penny? Locke assaulting Des??? At least we know how Ben got badly beaten up before the gathered the survivors to go back to the island. |
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Post by TC on Apr 9, 2009 15:06:55 GMT -5
That was some pretty awesome feudal serf hair on Michael Emerson.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 10, 2009 11:54:50 GMT -5
1) I actually liked the smokey judging scene.
2) Our mutual friend the dickens book is the name of the novel that desmond said he will read before his death in seaosn 2
3) I think the what lies in the shadow of the statue was a code password. Like spies use to identify themselves. Those people working with Ilana were on the plane, but perhaps they didn't know each other and identified each other with that phrase. Since frank didn't know the answer she knocked him out.
I think Ilana knew they were going to the island. I think she's working for widmore. She claimed to be working for the guy sayid offed on the golf course. Who of course was working for widmore. I think the case they were trying to carry was put on the plane by those people and contain supplies to achieve some mission.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 10, 2009 12:22:21 GMT -5
Yes, HSB, I think Ilana has(d) some plans on the island.
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