OFFICIAL LOST SEASON 5 THREAD

[RBHoya]

He can't have died, I don't think. I'll be it will be like when Michael tried to off himself but the gun wouldnt fire. This time Sayid will run off but Ben will miraculously survive a bullet to the chest.

If he died, wow.

Boz the book was "A Seperate Reality" by Carlos Castaneda. Anybody read it?



Horace's wife is totally an Other. Random thought for the moment.

[Boz]

Well, someone called again at the end of Lost (seriously, I need new friends). Luckily, I was prepared this time and recorded it.

So allow me to be the LAST actually to say......

WHAT THE %@&* JUST HAPPENED?

[HoyaSinceBirth]

no way he's actually dead. He'll be fine. I totally saw that coming when he got released by little ben, but when they actually did it. Wow.

Will ben now have a scar from where he's been shot?

The whole time thing get's me confused. Is it that there's only one time line and so anything we see happen in the past had already happened so the present people would remember it? Like ben would remember being shot as a kid when he first met sayid? or is it that since it hasn't yet happened that now that it's happened it changes what happened in the past and the present day people will now have that memory implanted in their brain? So would ben just suddenly remember being shot now?

[BubbleVisionBiff]

Or does Ben know later on (in ther DR) with such certainty that Sayid is a killler because Sayid shot him as boy?

Would Neo have still broken the vase if the Oracle hadn't said anything?

[TC]

Mar 25, 2009 22:02:15 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

The whole time thing get's me confused. Is it that there's only one time line and so anything we see happen in the past had already happened so the present people would remember it? Like ben would remember being shot as a kid when he first met sayid?

Yes, I think that's what is happening - and it's proven by the flashbacks where we see Richard going to visit Locke's birth and going to test Locke as a boy. Present Locke had not flashed back and talked to Richard at that point in the story yet, but those flashbacks happened.

Here's how I tried explaining this to my wife : If Michael J. Fox were on the island in the 50's, his picture of his family would not fade in and out depending on what he did. It'd remain static, because he can't change the future.

[TC]

Mar 25, 2009 21:13:25 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

Boz the book was "A Seperate Reality" by Carlos Castaneda. Anybody read it?

I took the title of the book to be a huge head fake to make you question what happened in the end of the episode, even though they've explained the rules to us.

[Boz]

I think the real question today has to be: "Is BuffaloHoya dead?"

This has got to be the longest period of time after a Lost episode ever without a post from Buffalo.

I'm starting to get a little worried, to be honest with you.

EDIT: An update on the alleged "Claire" sighting from the Washington Post chicks:

"according to Doc Jensen, the shadowy blond seen in last week's episode at the wrecked Dharma compound (behind Christian Shepherd) was apparently only visible on the HD broadcast and Doc makes it pretty clear that this was probably a crew member who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. (Good thing Christian Bale wasn't guest-starring.)"

[Nevada Hoya]

Mar 25, 2009 21:13:25 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

He can't have died, I don't think. I'll be it will be like when Michael tried to off himself but the gun wouldnt fire. This time Sayid will run off but Ben will miraculously survive a bullet to the chest.

If he died, wow.

Boz the book was "A Seperate Reality" by Carlos Castaneda. Anybody read it?



Horace's wife is totally an Other. Random thought for the moment.

I might have read that book. I read a bunch of books by Castaneda back in the '70s.

I also saw Sayid shooting Ben at a certain point last night, but when it came, I said "what???." It hurts my mind to try to figure out the consequences on the time line.

EDIT: I forget to mention this, but was reminded by Jen and Liz at WaPo:

I'm Oldham. This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl.

[Boz]

OK, Miles and Hurley trying to figure out what all of us are trying to figure out is pretty damn hilarious.

No, I don't understand it any better, but it's entertaining.

[TC]

I loved that they used the Back to the Future analogy.

[TC]

Wow, next week's episode looked like Ben takes Alex from Rousseau, and judging by the "I broke the rules, John" quote, I don't know if I'd want to be Penny Widmore in next week's episode.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

1) Loved them trying to figure out the time thing. They had a good laugh at the fans expense by making us think they were explaining it all and then ending with miles saying, Oh I hadn't thought of that.

2) So now we start to see how ben became ben. Since jack refused to save him, as he always did. They were forced to take ben to the others and whatever crazy ritual richard performs in the temple takes away his innocence and gives him his connection to the island.

3)Who did the other say that they should tell, i missed that. I assume widmore was one of them. But it's cool that richard doesn't report to either of the two people.

4) I'm very dissapointed that that's what happened with kate and aaron. Really that's it? That's what you were so torn up about? That's what jack could never ask you about? She made it sound like she lost aaron or he was dead. When she lost him momentarily i thought that's what was going to be the thing.

5) I tend to agree with cassidy about why sawyer jumped out of the helicopter. and im glad sawyer's sticking with julliet.

6) John's wake up for ben was awesome. I wonder how long he sat around thinking of what he should say to ben when he woke up.

7) next week's episode looks much cooler and areturn to the awesomness of the earlier episodes of this season.

8) it does seem like hell attempt to kill penny, but i think the i broke the rules statement was about him comming back to the island even though he was never supposed to come back after turning the wheel.

9) does that same rule apply to locke? or was he simply stping the island from skipping rather than moving it so he's allowed to come back?

[TC]

I thought the "I broke the rules" was Ben killing Penny because Keamy killing Alex was when Widmore broke the rules, and because Ben promised to kill Penny when he visited Widmore in his bedroom.

The Other says we shouldn't tell Ellie (a.k.a. Mrs. BritishMonkLadyInLA, a.k.a. Daniel's mom). Widmore was not in that scene - they specifically say they he'd be mad.

My two questions from the episode :
- Is Richard "infecting" Ben like the crew of Rousseau's boat were when they went down into the temple?
- Ben returns to "be judged" by Smokey. Does that mean Eko had been to the island before? (he was the only one I remember who was "judged")

[H2Oya 05]

This thread is all rumor and speculation. Technically, shouldn't this be locked too.

[Nevada Hoya]

Why did Cassidy know who Kate was? Did I miss that from a previous episode? When Kate came to her door, Cassidy seemed to know who she was.

[TC]

Kate and Cassidy met in a Season 1 episode, they included a clip of it in the "Previously, on Lost....". Kate helped her con people into buying some jewelry, and Cassidy helped Kate see her Mom without getting caught by the Police.

[RBHoya]

Apr 2, 2009 11:39:13 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

Why did Cassidy know who Kate was? Did I miss that from a previous episode? When Kate came to her door, Cassidy seemed to know who she was.

Yea, they had met up and became friends, I think in a season 3 episode or somewhere around there. They featured it in the "Previously on Lost."

I thought last night's episode was pretty slow. I don't really care much for the Kate flashbacks (or really the Kate character at all, at this point). There wasn't even a swerve--if I were guessing, I would have said she gave the baby to his grandmother, and that's what ended up happening, but they devoted a ton of tv time to it. Really, in terms of events, the only things that happened last night were ben going to the hospital and then kate and sawyer taking ben to the Others.

The ending was cool, and maybe we'll get a better understanding of the Temple and the Others and the power of the island as it unfolds. The Ben-centric episode next week looks like it could be pretty good, coming off of the Ben/Locke interaction last night.

Miscellaneous bits

-Jack's talk with Juliet where he says he's supposed to be back but doesn't yet know why might tie in with the people who believe that Jack=Jacob... even though Jacob seemed to exist in the 50s when Locke mentioned it to Alpert, maybe Jack went back even earlier.

-When Ben needed a doctor, he was at the Looking Glass. Did this seem suspicious to anyone? Kinda convenient that you've got a doctor at the underwater station? For what? Also, the way they reference him as "the doctor" rather than by name like everyone else. Ex. "Where is LaFleur?" or "Where is Horace?" rather than "Where is the head of security?" or "Where is the leader?"

So, I pretty much think it's Christian Shepard. And maybe he's at the looking glass, or maybe he's back in America living his double life.


-I still think the 10 year old Ben didn't light the VW van on fire and then run at the speed of light to Sayid's cell. He had help--and I'm pretty sure Horace's wife Amy was it. She's an undercover Other, as her old husband was, which is why they keep that ankh necklace (same symbol that the 4 toed statue holds) and why they were outside the fences when they original met Sawyer and them. Also explains why her son Ethan becomes an other.

-I liked the "Charlie and Ellie" thing. We saw both in the Jughead episode, but we now know they grow up to be Widmore and Ms. Hawking respectively. Do they give birth to Farrday somewhere along the line here?


-There's a ton of storylines going on right now and I want to see how all of them advance (which is why seeing a lot of kate flashbacks was a bummer)... Right now we've got the main characters in the DI, Sayid in no mans land, Dan Farraday floating through time, Locke/Older Ben on the Hydra + Ilana and them, Sun/Lapidus/Christian on the main island, and Desmond and Penny who we haven't seen in weeks. Between the million storylines and the non-linear storytelling it's a little hectic and I can see why casual fans are long gone.

To me the one big question right now is, where is the story going? I mean for us as viewers clearly the main draw is that we want to know the details of the island and explanation for all the weird things dating back to the early seasons. But for the characters, what are they moving toward right now? The first 3 seasons they were clearly moving toward leaving the island. The 4th season the on-island stuff was the same motivation and the off-island stuff was all about trying to forget what they'd done ultimately leading to them going back. Now they're back and it turns out Sawyer's crew is fine... so it's sort of like, aside from getting themselves out of the drama they get themselves into week to week (flaming vans, sayid getting caught, healing young ben etc.), they're kind of directionless. And the show to some extent feels directionless as well. Even beginning of this year it still revolved around the O6 getting back to the island for the O6 and stopping the time jumps for Sawyer's crew. Since the episode where they all flew back to the island it hasn't been quite as good, IMO.

[Boz]

I am not at all disappointed in this season (love quadrangles notwithstanding), but I can see the point.

I think there will be a lot of good developments over the rest of this season (next week's episode looks like it'll be great), but I also think that the main purpose of this season is not to answer a lot of questions -- a few answers here and there, but nothing really, really huge -- but to set up for the final season of this series.

So, I would expect a lot of the characters not knowing where they're going, not knowing their "destiny," lots of confusion, etc. to continue through the remainder of Season 5.

Call it the "Two Towers" season before we get to "Return of the King."

[/geek]

I really would like to know where Farraday is though.

Rose & Bernard I have written off as future skeletons with stones in their pockets, so I don't really care about them anymore.

[kchoya]

Apr 1, 2009 23:07:29 GMT -5 TC said:

I thought the "I broke the rules" was Ben killing Penny because Keamy killing Alex was when Widmore broke the rules, and because Ben promised to kill Penny when he visited Widmore in his bedroom.

The Other says we shouldn't tell Ellie (a.k.a. Mrs. BritishMonkLadyInLA, a.k.a. Daniel's mom). Widmore was not in that scene - they specifically say they he'd be mad.

My two questions from the episode :
- Is Richard "infecting" Ben like the crew of Rousseau's boat were when they went down into the temple?
- Ben returns to "be judged" by Smokey. Does that mean Eko had been to the island before? (he was the only one I remember who was "judged")

I think they mentioned Ellie and Charles (I thought he said Charles, maybe it was Charlie).

Also, the look Locke gave Ben in the last instant of the episode was classic. That's why he'll always be my favorite on the show.

[strummer8526]

Wow.

So many gaps filled in there. Another 3 or 4 episodes like that, and they could resolve the whole plot. I like that they can give us A LOT of information and still keep the plot moving.