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Post by gwhiz on Dec 8, 2008 11:15:05 GMT -5
If at first you don't succeed. No change will essentially guarantee the same result in 2009 ... non-competitve team, no progress with MSF. As long as everybody is busy discussing the MSF design, rather than the elephant in the room, then the program will continue to underperform.
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Post by derhoya on Dec 8, 2008 11:42:40 GMT -5
Inside Scoop:
So all this debate and speculation came from someone's bumbling...
This rendering was NEVER suppose to be made public nor put on the website. From this, I bet it's just a working idea being tossed around and surely not a final product. Somewhat of a relief, I guess?
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Post by The Stig on Dec 8, 2008 14:42:35 GMT -5
If at first you don't succeed. No change will essentially guarantee the same result in 2009 ... non-competitve team, no progress with MSF. As long as everybody is busy discussing the MSF design, rather than the elephant in the room, then the program will continue to underperform. When we made the coaching change, the MSF was the elephant in the room. Now we're talking about the MSF, and the coaching is the elephant in the room. And neither of those problems will go away until the other elephant in the room is addressed, which is funding. All these elephants are making the floor collapse.
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 8, 2008 18:08:41 GMT -5
Speaking of elephants in the room, what's the status of certain contracts and their potential renewals?
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Post by jgalt on Dec 8, 2008 18:48:52 GMT -5
Speaking of elephants, wouldnt a few elephant sized guys be good to put on the o-line?
Seriously though, player execution is also a (much smaller) elephant in the room. If players are consistently executing plays well and are getting beat simply because their best is not good enough, that's one thing, but to date i havent seen that from the team the past few years.
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 8, 2008 19:15:32 GMT -5
Inside Scoop: So all this debate and speculation came from someone's bumbling... This rendering was NEVER suppose to be made public nor put on the website. From this, I bet it's just a working idea being tossed around and surely not a final product. Somewhat of a relief, I guess? You're kidding me...those pictures weren't supposed to be posted? I won't ask who told you, but is this a source that you're totally confident in? That seems too bizarre even for our athletic department. Hey, at least the plans under discussion still appeared to have football field lines on the MSF. Imagine how embarrassing it'd have been if they mistakenly released new designs that had only lax and soccer lines on it.
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Post by gwhiz on Dec 8, 2008 19:45:23 GMT -5
JGALT- I think I agree. However, the baby elephant is certainly related to the male elephant. Poor execution is always considered to be a coaching failure. Our guys are at a deficit in the size department to start with but this doesn't mean they cannot win 5 games each year. Execution must be better. Execution, play selection, technique, reads, focus, morale, commitment, recruiting. ( What did I leave out?) It's all about the coach. I like 98 Hoya's question: does anybody know status of contract?
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Post by derhoya on Dec 9, 2008 11:17:55 GMT -5
Inside Scoop: So all this debate and speculation came from someone's bumbling... This rendering was NEVER suppose to be made public nor put on the website. From this, I bet it's just a working idea being tossed around and surely not a final product. Somewhat of a relief, I guess? You're kidding me...those pictures weren't supposed to be posted? I won't ask who told you, but is this a source that you're totally confident in? That seems too bizarre even for our athletic department. Hey, at least the plans under discussion still appeared to have football field lines on the MSF. Imagine how embarrassing it'd have been if they mistakenly released new designs that had only lax and soccer lines on it. 100% confidence in what i've been told.
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Post by RBHoya on Dec 9, 2008 20:37:20 GMT -5
You know who we should get as our head coach?
Tyrone Willingham.
I mean, is any BCS school going to go out and hire him after that 0-12 mess at UW last year? How could any BCS school justify to their fans the hiring of a coach that is 76-87-1(?) all time, 1-5 in bowls and coming off a completely embarrassing 0-12 year?
So what's the next best thing? FCS! I mean, sure he could fade into the background and take a job as an a positional coach at a bigger school or maybe in the NFL, but if he has aspirations of being a head coach at a high level once again, why not prove he can still hold it down as a head coach at a lower level and work his way back up? Not as a destination for life, but just to prove he could still get it done for a few years until a lower level BCS team comes calling.
Dude would be perfect because he knows how to recruit kids who are both football players AND athletes from his time at Stanford and Notre Dame, and his name appeal is off the charts. 100% chance he could right the ship and get kids to come to Georgetown in spite of the complete lack of facilities--kinda like a JTIII for football, which, of course is exactly what the football program needs.
Too expensive? Details. Let's make it happen Gridiron Club.
(Do I sound like the ND fans who think Urban Meyer will leave UF for them or the Providence fans who thought maybe they could get Larry Brown or any of the other delusional fanbases who thinks they can get a coach who is totally out of their league? Probably but screw it, somewhere along the way somebody needs to make a gamble or make a big investment if this football experiment is ever going to break the cycle of bottom feeding.)
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 9, 2008 20:37:33 GMT -5
You're kidding me...those pictures weren't supposed to be posted? I won't ask who told you, but is this a source that you're totally confident in? That seems too bizarre even for our athletic department. Hey, at least the plans under discussion still appeared to have football field lines on the MSF. Imagine how embarrassing it'd have been if they mistakenly released new designs that had only lax and soccer lines on it. 100% confidence in what i've been told. I can't think of the right word. Tragi-comic? Hillari-barrassing?
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 9, 2008 21:43:22 GMT -5
Probably but screw it, somewhere along the way somebody needs to make a gamble or make a big investment if this football experiment is ever going to break the cycle of bottom feeding.) You're aware that: 1. The basis for this thread may well be a rough draft of a drawing of a proposal that someone in the Athletic Department mistakenly posted on GUHoyas.com. 2. We're currently wondering why the Athletic Department can't block off a small street in the middle of campus to hold a soft-core tailgate. Right? You know...on second thought...if there's one group of folks who might be counted on to throw out a bunch of money they don't have at a coach with a toxic reputation for the heck of it and not really think about it beforehand... And on the plus side, we'll probably find the press release on GUHoyas.com before Ty even knows we hired him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 9, 2008 21:57:46 GMT -5
A review of GUHoyas tonight (http://guhoyas.cstv.com/facilities/gu-facilities.html) indicates that the MSF is "Under Construction." Kudos to GU for moving quickly to get this project underway. [/sarcasm] It appears as though they intended to remove access to the re-re-re-re-re-design, but it is still available here: guhoyas.cstv.com/facilities/gu-multi-sport.html. It is unclear, however, whether alumni and fans are currently allowed to make donations for the construction of the MSF.
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 9, 2008 22:57:02 GMT -5
A review of GUHoyas tonight (http://guhoyas.cstv.com/facilities/gu-facilities.html) indicates that the MSF is "Under Construction." Kudos to GU for moving quickly to get this project underway. [/sarcasm] It appears as though they intended to remove access to the re-re-re-re-re-design, but it is still available here: guhoyas.cstv.com/facilities/gu-multi-sport.html. It is unclear, however, whether alumni and fans are currently allowed to make donations for the construction of the MSF. Hmm. I checked guhoyas.com and they ARE taking donations. According to the website, not only will cash donations for the MSF work, but they'll also accept can't-fail/blue chip stocks, like Enron and pets.com. Apparently, the immense popularity of President George W. Bush has given new hope to those in the athletic department of a forthcoming era of economic prosperity and peace.
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Post by juanjohnhoya on Dec 10, 2008 19:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like they're still tweaking the new MSF page. Looks like a draft version of the new page has this text:
"The proposed design will feature permanent spectator seating for 4,652, a two-story press box with VIP seating, sports lighting and sound system, a digital video screen and scoreboard. Vertical pylons of masonry and steel at the SE and SW corners of the facility will be equipped with speaker and graphic screens which can change with different venues and seasons. They will add a colorful new graphic information element to the MSF and surrounding campus environment.
Vertical brick clad columns and fencing matching the existing fencing on the south end will enclose the entire MSF complex. Brick pavers at the SE and SW entrances and brick fenestration on the press box will all act to anchor the MSF into the established material fabric of the historic Georgetown campus. Concrete slabs under the seating are designed for field and equipment storage zones. Access to restrooms and concession areas is under the seating as well. The north end of the MSF has been designed as a grassy knoll which acts as a foreground element for the new business school and an overflow seating zone for the MSF.
For more information about this project, and if you are interested in making a gift, please contact the Athletic Development Office at 202.687.2394. "
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Post by derhoya on Dec 10, 2008 22:19:33 GMT -5
link....?
well at least we can clean up inadvertent messes, i guess?
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Post by juanjohnhoya on Dec 11, 2008 1:11:38 GMT -5
Hmm, it was The Ambassador's link above, but looks like the GU AD's office reads this board, 'cuz when I checked it again just now, I got a "sorry, this page does not exist" message.
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Post by thebin on Dec 11, 2008 9:57:29 GMT -5
How to you accidentally update the website on a project whose chief characteristic is that it has been shelved for years?
Frankly I don't know if that's good news or bad. It was nice to think when this all happened that the stadium hadn't been totally abandoned. On the other hand what was posted was clearly a watered down facility.
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Post by thebin on Dec 11, 2008 10:02:37 GMT -5
There isn't enough activity on these boards about projects that should take 3 years but take Gtown 15 years, so I'll stuff this question in here- did the Boathouse never get off the ground? I thought that was a done deal 5 years ago (so announced about 5 times.) Is NONE of it done? Is it in the trash? Is there any top 50 school that has half as much trouble building rather modest sports facilities as we do?
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 11, 2008 10:33:27 GMT -5
You know who we should get as our head coach? Tyrone Willingham. Willingham's biggest complaint about his last coaching job: Lack of institutional support for the football team. If he thought that the University of Washington was bad, I don't think he would want to come and coach here, even if someone had the money to throw at him.
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 11, 2008 11:31:34 GMT -5
There isn't enough activity on these boards about projects that should take 3 years but take Gtown 15 years, so I'll stuff this question in here- did the Boathouse never get off the ground? I thought that was a done deal 5 years ago (so announced about 5 times.) Is NONE of it done? Is it in the trash? Is there any top 50 school that has half as much trouble building rather modest sports facilities as we do? Aren't they still litigating the boat house project? The MSF has no such excuse.
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