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Post by thebin on Dec 5, 2008 12:17:28 GMT -5
Look, I'm one of those dorks who has my butt in the seat 15 minutes before kickoff, even in games that I know we're going to lose by 30+. I think I fairly count myself in the top 1% of most dedicated fans. With that in mind, I agree fans should be encouraged to go into the stands, but if they choose instead to just hang out in the end zone (my hypothetical endzone tailgate area), even that would be a huge improvement over the current situation. I'd rather have people apathetic about the game itself, but enthusiastic about the event; as opposed to being overall apathetic toward being at MSF on Saturdays in the fall. I say get the folks there, let them have fun, and it becomes an EVENT. If the team starts winning, people will start migrating to seats in greater numbers. I actually think this is a great idea- the tailgating endzone. It's drastic yes. Ideally it will look silly if people are raging in the endzone and not paying attention to the game at all. I would suggest there will need to be some way of asking people to leave who are totally uninterested in the game. But I see where he's going on this....you need to make football the afterthought to the party to build the base. Yes it's come to that. I also agree that things have generally gone downhill since GU decided to kill homecoming in the lot. Current students think of that whole part of campus as a walk to Yates. It used to be the center of great parties- not just tailgating but graduation parties in the tent.
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Post by thebin on Dec 5, 2008 12:19:12 GMT -5
I'm just saying I think you're putting the cart before the horse if you are trying to regulate how people enjoy the experience before they even get there. You are worried about a problem that doesn't exist -- fans tailgating and having so much fun they ignore the game -- and not focusing on the real problem -- there are no fans, not even fans tailgating. I'd rather have the former problem, then, and only then, would I start wondering how to solve the later. totally agreed. Flushing the party completely out of the area did not improve things. To the contrary.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 5, 2008 13:06:28 GMT -5
I actually think this is a great idea- the tailgating endzone. It's drastic yes. Ideally it will look silly if people are raging in the endzone and not paying attention to the game at all. I would suggest there will need to be some way of asking people to leave who are totally uninterested in the game. But I see where he's going on this....you need to make football the afterthought to the party to build the base. I tossed an idea like this two seasons ago on the site, with no impact. www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/backpage/roundtable_052907.htm
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Post by thebin on Dec 5, 2008 13:33:41 GMT -5
Having looked at the re-design again, the endzoen near the business school building is a sloped grassy area for overflow. It may always be empty, but love the horseshoe element it will bring even when empty, and if the program get's good and the need arises I think you could fit 7k in for a game. That's about the max that the campus could ever host I think. It makes a perfect lax stadium as well. I like the older designs better, but this isn't bad. They seem to have modernized the gothic towers, probably for cost. But it's still (barely) better than a high school facility. It will be a huge improvement. Just GET IT DONE FOR THE LOVE OF PETE.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 5, 2008 13:53:59 GMT -5
A game with Yale in a design like this would have brought the students out... Of course, this begs the question--Georgetown needs some night games.
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Post by thebin on Dec 5, 2008 14:03:55 GMT -5
Where did that night shot come from? Which re-design? It's the only old one I have not seen. It is gorgeous.
Of course if I am the new HC at Yale the first thing I do is say we are not playing anymore 0-6 PL teams ever again.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 5, 2008 14:11:53 GMT -5
Where did that night shot come from? Which re-design? It's the only old one I have not seen. It is gorgeous. I think this is version 3, linked below. www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/fb-msf.htm
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2008 14:20:07 GMT -5
Hoyanyr sounds like he was a bundle of fun in college...wish i could have a beer with you...epic FAIL Believe me- you can ask St.Pete and DudeSlade- I had my share of fun pre-gaming football games and attending homecoming tailgates. I'm all for tailgating. However, what went on in Lot T (at least the two years I was there) was not a football tailgate. The lot stayed open all the way through the game and there were often bigger crowds in the parking lot than in the stands. It wasn't about having a beer and eating BBQ or even getting buzzed for the game- it was about getting wasted on Keystone Light and passing out for the afternoon. I agree with 007 though- maybe if you can harness that desire to tailgate into putting people into the seats- then it's definitely worthwhile. Big football schools organize tailgates but ensure that they end at kick-off. I'm all fort that - especially if GUGS would grill for these. I remember none of the events described in this post.
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 5, 2008 14:23:43 GMT -5
Where did that night shot come from? Which re-design? It's the only old one I have not seen. It is gorgeous. Of course if I am the new HC at Yale the first thing I do is say we are not playing anymore 0-6 PL teams ever again. That design is beautiful. Were it only not a pipe dream...
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 5, 2008 14:26:24 GMT -5
I actually think this is a great idea- the tailgating endzone. It's drastic yes. Ideally it will look silly if people are raging in the endzone and not paying attention to the game at all. I would suggest there will need to be some way of asking people to leave who are totally uninterested in the game. But I see where he's going on this....you need to make football the afterthought to the party to build the base. I tossed an idea like this two seasons ago on the site, with no impact. www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/backpage/roundtable_052907.htmLet me ask a silly question: is anyone listening to these suggestions? If so, what is our method of communicating with them? Is it something more than just posting on this board and hoping Mr. Muir or one of his people happen on to it? I LOVE those suggestions DFW made on the site. Did anyone with decision-making power get to read them, and if so, what'd they have to say? I'd like to think that as alumni and donors (let alone knowledgeable sports fans), we might actually have some influence on the AD's plans...Having said that, has anyone made a direct effort to do so?
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Post by thebin on Dec 5, 2008 14:41:34 GMT -5
Where did that night shot come from? Which re-design? It's the only old one I have not seen. It is gorgeous. I think this is version 3, linked below. www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/fb-msf.htmThe difference between the 5th and current design isn't much when it comes to the seating areas. If you look at the previous rendering the "two tier" seating is really an illusion. It's one tier, with a walk way in the middle of it rather than on the bottom of the stands like most bleachers. It gives the effect of a two tiered collegiate stadium without actually building a seperate second level. So why lose it? Can't be saving much money. I can see losing the four towers to save $5MM if you need to but this? It seems like they streamlined it so they could bring in pre-fab bleachers or something.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Dec 5, 2008 14:41:59 GMT -5
Agree with 98. I would be happy to lend my support on any formal communications with Muir. I went to most (if not all) of our home games when I was a student, and despite the poor turnout, they were still fun and I had a good time cheering on my fellow students. I hate that the program has regressed.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 5, 2008 23:07:56 GMT -5
Where did that night shot come from? Which re-design? It's the only old one I have not seen. It is gorgeous. Of course if I am the new HC at Yale the first thing I do is say we are not playing anymore 0-6 PL teams ever again. That design is beautiful. Were it only not a pipe dream... It is not a pipe dream. The money is there if the University wants it to be there. Say we're planning a $1.5 billion capital campaign. What's the harm/difference if they bump it to $1.6 billion and give $50 million to hoops and $50 million to football for facilities? Apart from that, why not make athletics $100 million of the $1.5 billion? Frankly, I'd rather donate to the more expensive night design that DFW posted and would give more than I would to the expeditious high school plus re-re-re-re-re-design that McD rolled out at some point that we cannot pinpoint in time due to the lack of press, announcement, e-mail, etc. My only purpose for donating to the recent design is to inch us closer to ringing the gong on the entire endeavor.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 6, 2008 19:57:48 GMT -5
A game with Yale in a design like this would have brought the students out... Of course, this begs the question--Georgetown needs some night games. 1. Admins, can you admonish this guy for posting a picture. It's wasting bandwidth. ;D 2. How old was this design? Clearly there's no room for the Biz School in this picture? Will a similar design still fit in the current footprint? It looks like it would because most of structure is between the endzones. 3. Can anyone explain to me the purpose of this, and what, if anything, resulted from it? guhoyas.cstv.com/genrel/050305aab.html
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Post by hoya4ever on Dec 7, 2008 0:50:54 GMT -5
I remember that... that was the year that they tore it apart for the summer. What resulted is what you see. Nothing much has changed since the fall of 2005, a whooping four months after that event.
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Post by jgalt on Dec 7, 2008 16:34:00 GMT -5
with all the talk of night games (which i am in favor of): i was under the impression that the goergetown homeowners association (or whatever it is called) voted to prevent gtown from having any lighting that would be used for night games, effectively making them impossible. Is this still the case? was it ever the case? was this already addressed in the three pages i didnt read?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 7, 2008 19:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Dec 7, 2008 19:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by gwhiz on Dec 7, 2008 21:50:16 GMT -5
Commitment to the football program needs to be demonstrated in action before anyone puts a nickel into a facility. Georgetown has a head coaching problem. The folks holding the purse strings need to pony up for a coach with a track record of success first, before they think about spend for a new stadium. A new coach will allow for a more successful recruitment season. Nothing says "turn around" like a change at the top.
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Post by The Stig on Dec 7, 2008 23:00:31 GMT -5
I thought the ANC later amended their decision to restrict the height of the lights, which basically made them incapable of lighting the field for a night game. I seem to remember that coming around the time they OKed the basketball practice facility.
As far as sparking a turnaround with a coaching change, that's what we tried to do when we replaced Benson with Kelly. Change does not always equal improvement.
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