idhoya
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Jul 16, 2009 13:39:11 GMT -5
Post by idhoya on Jul 16, 2009 13:39:11 GMT -5
Riley actually never said anything until after he de-committed. At least Nate said "no". Now if Nate stops answering his phone and changes his numbers and goes into hiding for a minute then we know something is up.
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Buckets
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Jul 16, 2009 16:49:38 GMT -5
Post by Buckets on Jul 16, 2009 16:49:38 GMT -5
And John Calipari has never committed a recruiting violation, college basketball players are never thinking about the NBA right now, and Roy William most definitely doesn't give a sh*t about North Carolina. At least if he ends up here, he comes media-trained! So he's got that going for him. Which is nice.
To me (and this might just be me) a "de-commitment" implies that the school to which the player was committed is no longer an option. I do think that when there's smoke there's fire, but it doesn't sound like a de-commitment to me. It sounds like Nate is a high school kid who thought he knew what he wanted and realized that maybe he made a decision too early. It happens. He's in a tough situation and he's handling it well publicly.
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chep3
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Jul 16, 2009 20:16:23 GMT -5
Post by chep3 on Jul 16, 2009 20:16:23 GMT -5
The "smoke" however, is much less reputable than what he actually said. One blog reported what the classic "source with knowledge of/close to the situation" said, whereas you have the same blog retracting its story, a Scout (if I'm not mistaken) writer rubbishing the report, and the kid saying so himself. Sure it would be better had there not been that one report at all, but clearly at this point, the weight of the evidence points to there being no "fire."
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Jul 17, 2009 7:50:41 GMT -5
Post by hoyamel on Jul 17, 2009 7:50:41 GMT -5
What can I tell you guys to make you feel better?
Honestly the reaction has been interesting. From doom and gloom to oh well we can get a better player. For the better player people, not sure you guys are fixed in reality, Nate might be the second best forward on yoru team this season.
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guru
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Jul 17, 2009 8:14:26 GMT -5
Post by guru on Jul 17, 2009 8:14:26 GMT -5
What can I tell you guys to make you feel better? Honestly the reaction has been interesting. From doom and gloom to oh well we can get a better player. For the better player people, not sure you guys are fixed in reality, Nate might be the second best forward on yoru team this season. Nate's shaping into a legit stud, so it would be hard to replace him with a better player. My take is that if a kid doesn't want to come, then another player with close-to similar skills would, by definition, be a better fit. I still really hope he comes - on a number of different levels, and especially after all this murkiness, he'd be a very important recruit for the program.
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PopeJohn2
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Jul 17, 2009 9:01:44 GMT -5
Post by PopeJohn2 on Jul 17, 2009 9:01:44 GMT -5
What can I tell you guys to make you feel better? Honestly the reaction has been interesting. From doom and gloom to oh well we can get a better player. For the better player people, not sure you guys are fixed in reality, Nate might be the second best forward on yoru team this season. Nate's shaping into a legit stud, so it would be hard to replace him with a better player. My take is that if a kid doesn't want to come, then another player with close-to similar skills would, by definition, be a better fit. I still really hope he comes - on a number of different levels, and especially after all this murkiness, he'd be a very important recruit for the program. again, not fixed in reality...thats a nice way of saying...
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guru
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Jul 17, 2009 9:04:26 GMT -5
Post by guru on Jul 17, 2009 9:04:26 GMT -5
Nate's shaping into a legit stud, so it would be hard to replace him with a better player. My take is that if a kid doesn't want to come, then another player with close-to similar skills would, by definition, be a better fit. I still really hope he comes - on a number of different levels, and especially after all this murkiness, he'd be a very important recruit for the program. again, not fixed in reality...thats a nice way of saying... Dance, Chicken Little, DANCE!!!!!!
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PopeJohn2
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Jul 17, 2009 9:13:48 GMT -5
Post by PopeJohn2 on Jul 17, 2009 9:13:48 GMT -5
little one, may you someday learn that between being an optimist and a pessimist, being a realist is best of all (ie, being fixed in reality)
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Jul 17, 2009 9:46:48 GMT -5
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 17, 2009 9:46:48 GMT -5
i didn't realize anyone thought we could get a better player than nate. I don't think we can. Nate is exactly what we need. Don't go anywhere nate.
All we'd like to hear mel is that there is no truth to these rumors and nate isn't even considering decommiting. I know he said no i'm not decommitting but i'd love to hear there's no basis for these rumors and he's never thought of leaving.
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EasyEd
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Jul 17, 2009 9:53:10 GMT -5
Post by EasyEd on Jul 17, 2009 9:53:10 GMT -5
i didn't realize anyone thought we could get a better player than nate. I don't think we can. Nate is exactly what we need. Don't go anywhere nate. All we'd like to hear mel is that there is no truth to these rumors and nate isn't even considering decommiting. I know he said no i'm not decommitting but i'd love to hear there's no basis for these rumors and he's never thought of leaving. Agree.
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kghoya
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Jul 17, 2009 10:04:16 GMT -5
Post by kghoya on Jul 17, 2009 10:04:16 GMT -5
i didn't realize anyone thought we could get a better player than nate. I don't think we can. Nate is exactly what we need. Don't go anywhere nate. All we'd like to hear mel is that there is no truth to these rumors and nate isn't even considering decommiting. I know he said no i'm not decommitting but i'd love to hear there's no basis for these rumors and he's never thought of leaving. how much would hearing that matter if he decided to leave at some point after making such a comment?
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hoyaboya
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Jul 17, 2009 10:46:39 GMT -5
Post by hoyaboya on Jul 17, 2009 10:46:39 GMT -5
Anybody that thinks we're going to get a better player than Nate at this stage of the game is kidding themselves. It's too late in the recruiting cycle for class of 2010 kids to expect a top 50 PF that we haven't been recruiting to just want to jump on a Hoyas offer. Of course, that's assuming that JT III & Co. haven't thought Nate was decommitting and hasn't been recruiting other PFs over the past several months.
Nate's exactly what this program needs in the class of 2010, moreso than any of the wings that we've been talking about. The only other player that could possibly be a better fit for the program is Terence Jones, and we're up against big-time competition for his services. A decommitment from Nate this late in the game would really have a major negative impact on the program.
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Jul 17, 2009 10:53:01 GMT -5
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jul 17, 2009 10:53:01 GMT -5
agreed boya...that much i agree with u on
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MCIGuy
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Jul 17, 2009 12:15:13 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Jul 17, 2009 12:15:13 GMT -5
I don't know who is worse: the group that feel the Hoyas can easily replace Nate if he didn't sign or the group that thinks the Hoyas are essentially getting hit with the death penalty if he goes elsewhere.
Everyone here wants Nate to be a Hoya and we have been keeping up with his performances ever since he committed to Gtown. He appears to be a great fit for the both the program and the system that is ran here. Of course we don't want to lose him. And the Hoyas are not exactly in a position right now in which they can snap their fingers and conjur up another elite recruit to replace him. It would put the Hoyas further behind in recruiting for 2010 and it would lead to both a scramble for another elite big and/or countless prayers that Greg stayed for another year.
In the same token if he went elsewhere it is indeed a pretty big setback for recruiting in 2010 but its not a "disaster" for the program. Not unless he turned out to be a once-in-a-lifetime player. And one can't say for sure about that until many years down the road. The truth is a program must be able to handle de-commits, transfers and players that couldn't get the grades. The replacement players may not be as good if one needs to go that route, but there should always be a Plan B. If one player de-committing is a disaster for a program like Gtown which has had some recent success then the coaching staff is doing a horrible job.
With that said I still feel good about Nate ending up at Gtown.
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EasyEd
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Jul 17, 2009 12:24:21 GMT -5
Post by EasyEd on Jul 17, 2009 12:24:21 GMT -5
Like everybody else I want Lubick at Georgetown. If, on the other hand, he chooses to go elsewhere, I sure hope he does it soon so JT3 can strongly go after a replacement as soon as possible.
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guru
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Jul 17, 2009 12:30:00 GMT -5
Post by guru on Jul 17, 2009 12:30:00 GMT -5
I don't know who is worse: the group that feel the Hoyas can easily replace Nate if he didn't sign or the group that thinks the Hoyas are essentially getting hit with the death penalty if he goes elsewhere. Everyone here wants Nate to be a Hoya and we have been keeping up with his performances ever since he committed to Gtown. He appears to be a great fit for the both the program and the system that is ran here. Of course we don't want to lose him. And the Hoyas are not exactly in a position right now in which they can snap their fingers and conjur up another elite recruit to replace him. It would put the Hoyas further behind in recruiting for 2010 and it would lead to both a scramble for another elite big and/or countless prayers that Greg stayed for another year. In the same token if he went elsewhere it is indeed a pretty big setback for recruiting in 2010 but its not a "disaster" for the program. Not unless he turned out to be a once-in-a-lifetime player. And one can't say for sure about that until many years down the road. The truth is a program must be able to handle de-commits, transfers and players that couldn't get the grades. The replacement players may not be as good if one needs to go that route, but there should always be a Plan B. If one player de-committing is a disaster for a program like Gtown which has had some recent success then the coaching staff is doing a horrible job. With that said I still feel good about Nate ending up at Gtown. Is there a group, or even a person, who thinks that the Hoyas could "easily replace" Nate if he chooses to go elsewhere? Have to say I haven't seen that posted, but I mostly just check in on the "Last 10 Posts" thread - anyhow, otherwise I agree wholeheartedly with the overall point of your post.
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PopeJohn2
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Jul 17, 2009 12:39:41 GMT -5
Post by PopeJohn2 on Jul 17, 2009 12:39:41 GMT -5
there is a group (guru and hoyanyc320) who think losing nate is a positive opportunity cuz it opens up a scholly for a better player.
there is a group (me) who thinks IF nate decommits it will be a sign that something is wrong given the history of transfers, decommits, we havent landed a top recruit in 15 months. my THEORY is that the amazing rise of jtiii, his turning around of the program, our beatdowns of duke AND unc, and his signing of tons of recruits put fear in the hearts of other coaches and the attacks of our program began in earnest. i think that has taken its toll on the recruiting trail (not to mention guys on our roster) with young men who are susceptible to that type of talk. the saying goes success breeds enemies.
thats my theory. go ahead an call me a chicken little guru i expect nothing less original from you.
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guru
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Jul 17, 2009 13:11:39 GMT -5
Post by guru on Jul 17, 2009 13:11:39 GMT -5
there is a group (guru and hoyanyc320) who think losing nate is a positive opportunity cuz it opens up a scholly for a better player. there is a group (me) who thinks IF nate decommits it will be a sign that something is wrong given the history of transfers, decommits, we havent landed a top recruit in 15 months. my THEORY is that the amazing rise of jtiii, his turning around of the program, our beatdowns of duke AND unc, and his signing of tons of recruits put fear in the hearts of other coaches and the attacks of our program began in earnest. i think that has taken its toll on the recruiting trail (not to mention guys on our roster) with young men who are susceptible to that type of talk. the saying goes success breeds enemies. thats my theory. go ahead an call me a chicken little guru i expect nothing less original from you. look at chicken little go! Dance, Chicken Little, DANCE FOR US!!!!! I don't expect reading comprehension from you, but I've never said that we would definitely get a better player than Nate. The closest I have come to your hyperbolic willful misinterpretation is to posit that should Nate de-commit, it's impossible to know what the future holds, and that another player could surprise down the line. But how would that point ever penetrate your tiny chicken brain, when all you want to do is DANCE?
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Jul 17, 2009 13:14:34 GMT -5
Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 17, 2009 13:14:34 GMT -5
we haven't gotten a top recruit in 15 months?
Last I looked, Nate was still committed to us
Last I looked, Markel's still committed to us
Both are top recruits
Both committed to us within the last 15 months
Back away from the chicken little stuff please....you and you're chicken little partner in worry Hoyaboya
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MCIGuy
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Jul 17, 2009 14:00:57 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Jul 17, 2009 14:00:57 GMT -5
By the way....there is a small writeup on Nate in the latest Slam magazine. And it was probably written well over a month ago so please dont ask THE question. If I get a chance I'll type it up and post it here.
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