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Feb 19, 2009 9:46:55 GMT -5
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 19, 2009 9:46:55 GMT -5
didn t III lay the ground work with thornton and hairston? if quinn is a lead guard, doesn t make much sense to bring him in a class after starks. of course a lot can happen between now and then. nominated for most negative post ever.... anyways why would having two lead guards be a bad thing? If they're both getting major burn we don't lose anything when one comes out or are both playing at the same time...I fail to see why this wouldn't make any sense. Also re: their height....he's only a sophomore....lotta time to grow...and he's what 6'1 at this point?
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Feb 19, 2009 10:08:12 GMT -5
Post by jyd on Feb 19, 2009 10:08:12 GMT -5
very negative post. the kid mentioned GTOWN, Duke, UNC. isn't thornton a lead guard also? why would duke want to have 2 lead guards? aren't kendall mardshall and larry drew lead guards? why would unc want more than 1 lead guard? maybe it is because teams that have a surplus of good guards do very well.
enjj- who you recruiting for these days?
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Feb 19, 2009 10:08:19 GMT -5
Post by guru on Feb 19, 2009 10:08:19 GMT -5
didn t III lay the ground work with thornton and hairston? if quinn is a lead guard, doesn t make much sense to bring him in a class after starks. of course a lot can happen between now and then. not sure about starks, but cook could play the point or be the off guard. He was the main scorer on the court for Dematha the other night. There is no reason to think Cook and Starks couldn't play together and complement each other well.
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Feb 19, 2009 13:16:58 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Feb 19, 2009 13:16:58 GMT -5
"Rivers was really a combo as well."
Aren't combo guards supposed to have a least a minimal amount of skill at shooting the basketball?
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Feb 19, 2009 14:32:04 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Feb 19, 2009 14:32:04 GMT -5
hoyarooter.... I was wondering exactly what combination made up the "combo" part as well. Strong defense, awful handle and comedically awful offense. Some combo.
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Feb 19, 2009 18:28:45 GMT -5
Post by SirSaxa on Feb 19, 2009 18:28:45 GMT -5
No he's right about Rivers' combo. Doc Jr. was famous for his Mickey D combo experience. Big Mac, coke and fries.
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Feb 19, 2009 19:00:16 GMT -5
Post by royski on Feb 19, 2009 19:00:16 GMT -5
He was able to combine the spin move against nobody with a jumper from the corner that sometimes hit the side of the backboard. He also had (and I don't think you can teach this) just the natural ability to drive into traffic and turn the ball over or force up a shot that was inevitably blocked. (We sometimes see flashes of this ability from CW, but he clearly doesn't have the pure talent at it of Rivers. JR was one of a kind at that.) Perhaps that's what we mean by combo guard.
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Feb 19, 2009 19:25:28 GMT -5
Post by IDenj on Feb 19, 2009 19:25:28 GMT -5
didn t III lay the ground work with thornton and hairston? if quinn is a lead guard, doesn t make much sense to bring him in a class after starks. of course a lot can happen between now and then. nominated for most negative post ever.... anyways why would having two lead guards be a bad thing? If they're both getting major burn we don't lose anything when one comes out or are both playing at the same time...I fail to see why this wouldn't make any sense. Also re: their height....he's only a sophomore....lotta time to grow...and he's what 6'1 at this point? or having observed recruiting over the years have come to certain realisms. as in starks coming to the hilltop and sitting behind wright ( fingers crossed ) for a year. then he takes over the point. now i am sure cook is a confident young man, but does he want to come in here and sit behind starks for a year while he learns the system? most likely no. having 2 guys at the 1 is great. in theory. cats look at pt and at this point starks is a top flight pg who will get his run. cook may look at this and think about other options. we are not duke or unc, who recruit over guys in the same class. and that is why it doesn t make sense. of course starks may never make here ( no insider info just a possibilty ) and it is good to have a backup plan. and for the record i would love to have cook be a hoya. ron was on him a while back and think he would be a great get.
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Feb 19, 2009 19:34:30 GMT -5
Post by IDenj on Feb 19, 2009 19:34:30 GMT -5
very negative post. the kid mentioned GTOWN, Duke, UNC. isn't thornton a lead guard also? why would duke want to have 2 lead guards? aren't kendall mardshall and larry drew lead guards? why would unc want more than 1 lead guard? maybe it is because teams that have a surplus of good guards do very well. enjj- who you recruiting for these days? whats negative about it? you always need poms poms after a comment? duke has nolan running the point and will be a senior when tyler gets there. time for him to sit for a year, spot duty, and learn the sytem. even after they got his verbal, they continued to go after john wall, kenny boynton, and knight. all of them are top 10 players in their class. thornton is a top 50. big drop off. and they have missed on all of them so far. wall is still to decide tho. that is why duke will push hard for cook. btw where does he play his aau? as for unc, they have drew and marshall. but marshall is dropping in terms rankings. we ll see how that plays out. my point is having 2 similarly talented 1 guards in back to back classes is tough. even those 2 schools have a tough time doing it. and that is why i think it is a big hill to get cook.
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Feb 19, 2009 21:44:32 GMT -5
Post by SirSaxa on Feb 19, 2009 21:44:32 GMT -5
Rivals lists Quinn Cook as playing for DC Assault. Obviously, that is not a plus for the Hoyas.
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Feb 19, 2009 22:20:49 GMT -5
Post by guru on Feb 19, 2009 22:20:49 GMT -5
Rivals lists Quinn Cook as playing for DC Assault. Obviously, that is not a plus for the Hoyas. this is probably a dumb question, but i don't follow the aau scene. didn't freeman play for dc assault, though?
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Feb 19, 2009 23:25:13 GMT -5
Post by RBHoya on Feb 19, 2009 23:25:13 GMT -5
Rivals lists Quinn Cook as playing for DC Assault. Obviously, that is not a plus for the Hoyas. this is probably a dumb question, but i don't follow the aau scene. didn't freeman play for dc assault, though? Yea so did Jeff Green, Julian Vaughn, and Coach Cox used to coach there. But after Jeff went to the NBA there was a little bit of falling out, and some of the big targets that we've had from DCA since then like McDAA Wally Judge, Tyler Thornton, and Josh Hairston have gone elsewhere. Bottom line is that while DCA used to be favorable to us, it isn't anymore. It doesn't mean that we'll never get another kid who plays with them, but DCA affiliation isn't a plus for us like it may have been in the past and may be something of a negative (more in some cases than others).
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Feb 19, 2009 23:32:57 GMT -5
Post by IDenj on Feb 19, 2009 23:32:57 GMT -5
what kind of a season is young chris martin having? hope he is still growing...
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Feb 19, 2009 23:44:19 GMT -5
Post by RBHoya on Feb 19, 2009 23:44:19 GMT -5
^^Thats funny enj, you argue strongly that Cook isn't coming and that Cook doesn't make sense, and then you act interested in a kid who is the same size, class and position? I don't follow your logic.
Oh, and to quote you... what AAU team does he play for?
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Feb 19, 2009 23:47:02 GMT -5
Post by RBHoya on Feb 19, 2009 23:47:02 GMT -5
Another point, Jason Clark is a talented point/combo guard who came in in a class directly after Chris Wright and Austin Freeman. Who is to say Cook wouldn't do the same?
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Feb 19, 2009 23:58:36 GMT -5
Post by IDenj on Feb 19, 2009 23:58:36 GMT -5
^^Thats funny enj, you argue strongly that Cook isn't coming and that Cook doesn't make sense, and then you act interested in a kid who is the same size, class and position? I don't follow your logic. Oh, and to quote you... what AAU team does he play for? but rb martin is a legacy isn t he? i know coming into the season he was an undersized 2 but was looking at learning the lead guard. just curious as to whether he made that transition to the 1 or if he had grown and still wanted to be a 2. wright is a pg here, free a 2/3. clark was brought in as a combo. at this point do you see cook being a clark type combo or a lead gurad?
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Feb 20, 2009 10:20:23 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Feb 20, 2009 10:20:23 GMT -5
Hoyas will do just fine with Keith Stevens running Team Takeover. He and his staff do an excellent job of getting top talent to play as a TEAM--and he'll get more out of his guys then Assault gets out their team. Think of the talent that didn't achieve much on AAU circuit with Assault "leadership". Not surprising--it doesn't say a whole lot about you as a person if you freeze out a good school/program because a former player of yours didn't choose the agent you wanted him to. Shows a real caring for the young people that you're mentoring.
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Feb 20, 2009 16:56:44 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Feb 20, 2009 16:56:44 GMT -5
Royski.... I literally just spit coffee all over my keyboard.... It was the "and I don't think you can teach this" part. Loved it.
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Feb 27, 2009 16:23:15 GMT -5
Post by justabballfan on Feb 27, 2009 16:23:15 GMT -5
this is probably a dumb question, but i don't follow the aau scene. didn't freeman play for dc assault, though? Yea so did Jeff Green, Julian Vaughn, and Coach Cox used to coach there. But after Jeff went to the NBA there was a little bit of falling out, and some of the big targets that we've had from DCA since then like McDAA Wally Judge, Tyler Thornton, and Josh Hairston have gone elsewhere. Bottom line is that while DCA used to be favorable to us, it isn't anymore. It doesn't mean that we'll never get another kid who plays with them, but DCA affiliation isn't a plus for us like it may have been in the past and may be something of a negative (more in some cases than others). What happened? Curtis Malone mad he didn't get a percentage of Jeff's NBA contract?
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Feb 27, 2009 17:15:02 GMT -5
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 27, 2009 17:15:02 GMT -5
yes what did happen....people have been pretty hush hush about it and allude to this falling out (which I'm guessing is true) but can someone give an explanation (either here or PM me) please I'm rather curious. Thanks
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