RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 23, 2008 20:33:42 GMT -5
He is definitely transferring and it is because he does not like the Princeton offense and wants to be a part of a more uptempo team (from a more credible source than any reporter, but will not be named) I suspect that this is true, and that he's had several people in his ear telling him "the Georgetown system isn't right for your game, you need to go somewhere uptempo where you'll excel." Which I personally think is silly, but it's not surprising that he bought into it. Again I'm not ripping the dude because he's leaving, just saying the things I've said about him for the last several months--but he lacks BASIC skills. He really struggles to catch the ball. He cannot make any shot outside of about 5 feet. He is as bad a free throw shooter as you'll find, I know 8 year olds who shoot better than 20%. He was not a better than average rebounder or shot blocker for a player of his size. He has no shooting touch, and almost always looked uncomfortable with the ball. These are issues that would plague him in any system. There are really very few programs out there where you can literally run up and down and throw down alley oops all game. Yes there are teams that fast break a lot more than we do, but you still need to be able to catch the ball and have some semblance of a shooting touch to be a good player. It's not surprising that he bought into the chatter though. I imagine that when people have been telling you that you're NBA bound since you were a pre-teen and you can't even find minutes as a sophomore, it's probably much easier to believe that "the system is holding you down" than to look at yourself and realize that your game is extremely flawed.
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Apr 23, 2008 20:42:57 GMT -5
Honestly, with Summers, Sapp, freeman, and Wright already receiving solid playtime, it's possible that with Monroe/Sims coming in that Macklin saw himself in a position where he'd have to fight for a lot of minutes, even as a Junior.
I know that's pure speculation, but considering he's never really taken off either at Georgetown despite his credentials, this doesn't shock me at all.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Apr 23, 2008 20:55:57 GMT -5
again, this sucks. i, unlike a lot of you, think mack as good potential for next years team.
anyway that was just said so that i can ask if anyone looked at one of the new banner ads: it asks something about who is the NBA MVP and has Beasley as one of the pictures. that is whack
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hoyatables
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 23, 2008 20:59:39 GMT -5
To paraphrase Natalie Portman in Attack of the Clones... "Vernon, you're breaking my heart! And you're going down a path I cannot follow!" ...I'll miss his amazing mustache... This may be the first time in history that the dialogue from Attack of the Clones actually made someone smile rather than wince in pain.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 23, 2008 21:07:15 GMT -5
I hope this news is coincident with Braswell possibly qualifying......
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Post by summersshowers on Apr 23, 2008 21:08:27 GMT -5
RB--I'm glad you brought up the age thing i was contemplating that. If Vern thinks he's gonna play in the NBA someday, this is NOT a good idea. A prep school year + a transfer redshirt + four years of college ball...that's a lot of mileage for someone who will be a middle-of-the-road nba prospect in two years AT BEST. Unless there is unbelievable improvement, no team is going to take a flyer on a 25 yr old when they can probably bank a similar player at 20-21 years (a player who will inevitably have more potential as well). Because of the prep school year, it seems to me that Vern's hands would be tied on a transfer decision if he has pro aspirations...not a smart choice. That being said, I don't care how bad he was the last two years...I have been as critical of Vernon as anyone since the day he stepped on the court for us, but he showed some flashes of promise this year, and his experience would have been valuable in 08-09. if braswell doesn't qualify, we are in trouble up top. dajuan will play almost exclusively at the 4, and he was at his best this year when pat and roy were both on the court, allowing him to eat up smaller guys. dajuan is a natural 3 by nba standards, and that is where he can have the greatest impact for us, but that's not a possibility anymore. what happens if greg and dajuan are both in foul trouble? sims and freeman? sims and clark? yikes.
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jester
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Post by jester on Apr 23, 2008 21:18:05 GMT -5
Was Jr Giddens the last McDonalds All American to transfer after two years? Why did he end up transferring (pretty productive at KU...)?
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2008 21:21:26 GMT -5
To paraphrase Natalie Portman in Attack of the Clones... "Vernon, you're breaking my heart! And you're going down a path I cannot follow!" ...I'll miss his amazing mustache... This may be the first time in history that the dialogue from Attack of the Clones actually made someone smile rather than wince in pain. This bit is helping me through the pain.
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Post by KeysPlaceHoya on Apr 23, 2008 21:29:00 GMT -5
I'm sad to see Vern go...his dunk and little scream vs. Davidson that CBS showed about 2 dozen times was the only good memory of this year's NCAA tournament debacle that I have. I think he saw the writing on the wall and the writing read "Greg Monroe will be starting over you", and if Vern has proven anything it's that he doesn't work well as part-time off the bench player. The games he did well in were the ones where Roy sat early and often due to foul trouble or on the rare occasions when we had big leads and Vernon could get into a groove. He didn't show enough of an improvement this year and combined with the arrival of Monroe meant spending the rest of his college career as a perma-bench-role-player. Good luck to Vernon and I hope he lands somewhere where he can play some significant minutes. It might be smart for him to go to a school in the CAA or Southern Conf. where he can dominate and maybe get some good press by beating up on lesser talent.
I don't think this really hurts the Hoyas. I can't think of any games last season where he made an impact that affected the outcome of the game. He showed some heart and skills in a couple of losses (at Pitt, Davidson) but otherwise had a rather mediocre season. We're losing a part time bench player who showed flashes of greatness but only on rare occasions. He will be missed but I don't think the Hoyas are really much worse off without him than with him unless there was going to be some major improvement. But best of luck to him. He seems like a good kid and I wish him nothing but success wherever he winds up.
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Post by summersshowers on Apr 23, 2008 21:33:15 GMT -5
j.r. giddens got stabbed outside of a bar in lawrence and decided to transfer in the aftermath of that incident, if i'm not mistaken
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hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Apr 23, 2008 21:36:38 GMT -5
I actually get the sense that VMack would not transfer unless he really felt confident he could land at a high-major program. I expect to see him at a Virginia Tech, Clemson, or mid-level SEC school, not the CAA or Southern Conference. Someone will take a chance on an athlete like Vernon who has two years experience at Georgetown.
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hoyaclap
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Post by hoyaclap on Apr 23, 2008 21:41:12 GMT -5
Honestly, with Summers, Sapp, freeman, and Wright already receiving solid playtime, it's possible that with Monroe/Sims coming in that Macklin saw himself in a position where he'd have to fight for a lot of minutes, even as a Junior. I know that's pure speculation, but considering he's never really taken off either at Georgetown despite his credentials, this doesn't shock me at all. This has been brewing for a little while it seems. I'm not as much surprised about VM transferring as much as I am that its happening this year (instead of last year). I figured if we could go through last summer, that the coaching staff had convinced him that he'd be the man after Roy graduated. For various reasons that we've discussed at length, thats not going to be the case next year. I agree with you that he's seen the writing on the wall and realized that he would have to work harder than he'd like for time next year. Also, its pretty clear that he has doubts about the coaching staff's assessments of his game; If you think you've done all you need to earn time on the floor and you cant get off the bench some games, then why should you trust the staff to put you on the floor when they recruit the best freshman in the country at your slot? ad it doesnt help when you're suited for a heavy transition game with a team that frankly doesnt break like that. its a typical situation about not seeing eye to eye. its unfortunate because I'd imagine that Coach will let them push it a lot more next year. ...And if he doesn't transfer this year, then he realistically runs the risk of spending the next two years unhappy here because transfers after junior year are impractical. and if we are worried about the whole experience issue, yea, he may know the system, but Vernon wasn't looking close to filling a positive leadership role that you'd expect from a junior with such an impending void. In this regard, I don't think we'll miss that much from him.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Apr 23, 2008 22:12:30 GMT -5
Okay. I'm convinced his gone now.
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hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Apr 23, 2008 22:20:57 GMT -5
Okay. I'm convinced his gone now. Care to elaborate?
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 23, 2008 22:30:39 GMT -5
Mack transferring is a bummer in a big way. Well, at least we're 99% sure of the starting lineup now (Wright, Sapp, Freeman, Summers, Monroe).
By the way, that's not too shabby. But we need a back-up three in a big way unless Braswell comes and is ready. Nikita and Omar, spotlight is on you!
Still don't know why Mack would choose this.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 23, 2008 22:33:43 GMT -5
just saw this first i thought were not suppossed to speculate second if this is true i think itd be bad for him bball and otherwise did he not go to the bball dinner and see the whole georgetown thing and remember tylers advice from his mom to stick it out and finish things.. also if this is true i think its bad for us and does leave us thin and verns had flashes of great talent that coulda continued to develope... any way if it is what it is best to him if not i think hoya bball and the team and the program would be better for him staying and i think its best for him to stay yup personally and for academics and bball too just some thougths hope this aint speculation but rather just reacting to a POSSIBLE situation nite
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 23, 2008 22:34:39 GMT -5
Who wants to be the first to throw out a possibility like grades and turn this whole thread against him b/c it's "unfair speculation" (despite possibly being accurate)? I'll do it. I'd read the rules of the board before spouting that kinda bile. And hell, if we're just gonna break the rules and speculate about a current player...I'm gonna break the rules and call you out. You are an ignorant, mouthbreathin, waste of a Georgetown education who needs to spend less time spewing bile and more time filtering the few thoughts in your head prior to speaking them out loud. I don't mind you're calling out one bit or even speculating about what part of my face I breath through. We're all speculating about the guy's opinion of his role in the Princeton offense. Does anyone know what Vernon Macklin thinks about the offensive scheme? Really?! We're speculating about his apparent concern that he couldn't hack it against a bunch of freshmen. Anyone have some kind of inside connection that can confirm that one? Look at the article and tell me that a single word since the posting of that link has been any better than at least mild speculation. So you're ok with saying that as a highly touted college basketball player, he's afraid of competing with freshmen, but you're NOT ok with saying that as a STUDENT, he may be leaving his SCHOOL for academic reasons? Got it...fair enough.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 23, 2008 22:39:19 GMT -5
I'd read the rules of the board before spouting that kinda bile. And hell, if we're just gonna break the rules and speculate about a current player...I'm gonna break the rules and call you out. You are an ignorant, mouthbreathin, waste of a Georgetown education who needs to spend less time spewing bile and more time filtering the few thoughts in your head prior to speaking them out loud. I don't mind you're calling out one bit or even speculating about what part of my face I breath through. We're all speculating about the guy's opinion of his role in the Princeton offense. Does anyone know what Vernon Macklin thinks about the offensive scheme? Really?! We're speculating about his apparent concern that he couldn't hack it against a bunch of freshmen. Anyone have some kind of inside connection that can confirm that one? Look at the article and tell me that a single word since the posting of that link has been any better than at least mild speculation. So you're ok with saying that as a highly touted college basketball player, he's afraid of competing with freshmen, but you're NOT ok with saying that as a STUDENT, he may be leaving his SCHOOL for academic reasons? Got it...fair enough. From the rules, edited. and
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 23, 2008 22:42:32 GMT -5
I don't mind you're calling out one bit or even speculating about what part of my face I breath through. We're all speculating about the guy's opinion of his role in the Princeton offense. Does anyone know what Vernon Macklin thinks about the offensive scheme? Really?! We're speculating about his apparent concern that he couldn't hack it against a bunch of freshmen. Anyone have some kind of inside connection that can confirm that one? Look at the article and tell me that a single word since the posting of that link has been any better than at least mild speculation. So you're ok with saying that as a highly touted college basketball player, he's afraid of competing with freshmen, but you're NOT ok with saying that as a STUDENT, he may be leaving his SCHOOL for academic reasons? Got it...fair enough. From the rules, edited. OK, next time you're around these parts, go find Vernon Macklin. Look him in the eye and say "I don't think you're a good student." Then, say to him "I think you're afraid that freshmen are better than you and will take your playing time." See which speculative statement gets you knocked upside the head. That'll be the one that's insulting.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 23, 2008 22:44:29 GMT -5
OK, next time you're around these parts, go find Vernon Macklin. Look him in the eye and say "I don't think you're a good student." Then, say to him "I think you're afraid that freshmen are better than you and will take your playing time." See which speculative statement gets you knocked upside the head. That'll be the one that's insulting. To be clear, I have problems with the whole thread. You were merely the most offensive and easiest target. Consider yourself low hanging fruit. I'm sure you're used to it.
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