SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2008 18:46:13 GMT -5
I love how we're "thin" when we have: Summers - 6'8" - top 30 recruit The same player most people are convinced is much better as a 3? Freshman. Talented, but still a frosh. ibid. ibid, plus qualifying concerns. The freshman angle has several concerns. One, Cornelio Guibunda was ranked in some people's Top 100. High rankings don't mean ready to compete at the highest level. Two, strength. Three, familiarity with the system. So, yes, I think a better way to say it is we could be really thin up front. If only one of those frosh is really ready to play, then we're rotating two players at two positions with someone a little over their head? That's entirely possible.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 23, 2008 18:48:30 GMT -5
Maybe Vern recognizes that the style of play at Georgetown is the direct opposite of what is best for him. I hope he does not leave but if he does I hope he goes to a program that accents his skills and I will wish him the best of everything.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Apr 23, 2008 18:50:03 GMT -5
Somewhat surprised by this.
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Apr 23, 2008 18:52:50 GMT -5
Plus, I agree that this leaves us thin up front. I can't consider Dajuan as a forward with his style of game. He can play the 4, but then that leaves us small, and vulnerable on the boards like many times this year. It's simply the fact that if we get into foul trouble, that leaves us with less options, whereas with Vern, we'd still have more size, and not have to worry about being able to throw capable players out on the floor in their appropriate positions.
Not to mention it's dubitable to say you can just put freshman on the floor and they're going to be completely serviceable immediately.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2008 18:53:23 GMT -5
Maybe Vern recognizes that the style of play at Georgetown is the direct opposite of what is best for him. I hope he does not leave but if he does I hope he goes to a program that accents his skills and I will wish him the best of everything. I think people have been saying that, but I don't think that's true at all. Few schools will take advantage of his passing skills or his ability to front up to the basket at his position. Yeah, other schools may run more, but if Vern's goal is to make it to the NBA, the scouts know he can run up and down the floor. Doing more of that and less improvement on other things won't get him closer to the NBA. I wish him the best whatever he does, but I can't help but think this isn't the right decision unless I've guessed wrong on his goals.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 23, 2008 18:56:36 GMT -5
Who wants to be the first to throw out a possibility like grades and turn this whole thread against him b/c it's "unfair speculation" (despite possibly being accurate)?
I'll do it.
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Apr 23, 2008 18:57:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I definitely thought Vern was actually a great fit at center for the Princeton offense, whereas Roy was the one who was supposed to be out of place in it (not that I don't love Roy). I'm positive that JTIII saw him as the center he wanted in this offense. He's athletic, will be able to play the perimeter a bit, mobile, with good passing skills.
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PDRHoya99
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Apr 23, 2008 18:59:56 GMT -5
Who wants to be the first to throw out a possibility like grades and turn this whole thread against him b/c it's "unfair speculation" (despite possibly being accurate)? I'll do it. Mommy! He speculated! Strummer speculated!!!!!!
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Apr 23, 2008 19:00:13 GMT -5
While we're at it, strummer, why not just toss heroin out there, too?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 23, 2008 19:02:01 GMT -5
This move makes no sense. I feel like if he just talked to coach thompson he'd realize what a bad move it is. I mean, besides the fact that he'll definetly get more minutes next year, it's highly probable that with out wallace and hibbert we'll run and press more than we currently do. Why would you leave, I mean frankly it'd have made more sense to leave last year wouldn't it? The only reason why he wasn't playing more this year is that we had roy. ( not sayign he was ready to play all that time, but we wouldn't have had an option). so now that roy's gone why wouldn't he think his playing time was going to vastly increase. Unless he's so unsure of himself that he assumes monroe, sims, and braswell will take all of his time. I mean unless there's some personal reason, he has to be thinking he's been recruited over and won't get as much time as he'd like.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 23, 2008 19:02:27 GMT -5
While we're at it, strummer, why not just toss heroin out there, too? I won't tell you that you can't toss that idea out there. I'm not sure many people will go for it, but sure...in the name of the free exchange of ideas, we can add hard narcotic use to the possible explanations. ON EDIT: For the sake of not posting 1,000 times on a threat, I'll add on here: I'm seriously hoping UnleashVernon was inspired by this occurrence and not an unfortunate coincidence in timing.
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Post by unleashvernon on Apr 23, 2008 19:05:43 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 23, 2008 19:05:54 GMT -5
not to feed into the speculation, but if it were grades, I'd think that the transfer talk would be later than this. I mean there's still a few days left in school and then finals, so anyone could still make the grade even if they were struggling. Why would transfer news come out now?
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Post by redskins12820 on Apr 23, 2008 19:06:24 GMT -5
While we're at it, strummer, why not just toss heroin out there, too? I won't tell you that you can't toss that idea out there. I'm not sure many people will go for it, but sure...in the name of the free exchange of ideas, we can add hard narcotic use to the possible explanations. I heard he got in a fistfight with a jesuit and then stepped on the seal=time to transfer
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 23, 2008 19:07:58 GMT -5
I won't tell you that you can't toss that idea out there. I'm not sure many people will go for it, but sure...in the name of the free exchange of ideas, we can add hard narcotic use to the possible explanations. I heard he got in a fistfight with a jesuit and then stepped on the seal=time to transfer Maybe he was involved in stealing the clocktower hands or streaking at Relay for Life.
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Post by unleashvernon on Apr 23, 2008 19:13:27 GMT -5
To paraphrase Natalie Portman in Attack of the Clones...
"Vernon, you're breaking my heart! And you're going down a path I cannot follow!"
...I'll miss his amazing mustache...
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Apr 23, 2008 19:17:07 GMT -5
A. That's the Vern for ya'
B. Strummer - chill out. We are losing a roll player from last year's team. Transfers happen in college athletics - especially when a player feels that their talent is not indicative of the number of minutes they are getting. There is no need to rush to conclusions like grades or other off the court issues when none have been suggested by any source.
C. On paper are we worse than last year's team? Yes - we are worse than a team that returned 4 starters and the 6th man from a Final 4 team. That's shocking. Give this team time to develop before prejudge how they are going to do on the court when Big East season comes.
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Apr 23, 2008 19:24:45 GMT -5
I certainly wish Vern the best and hope he finds a program that fits him.
That being said, this doesn't concern me that much. Yes, we're a little thinner, but come on--how much did you really expect him to contribute anyway? In two years (granted, behind Roy, but he still got his chance at minutes) he showed very, very little progress. Something like 3 points and two boards a game? I think he averaged more fouls than boards. I was always skeptical that he would start and that Summers would be moved back to the 3 (even more skeptical b/c that would mean Chris wouldn't start and Sapp would be our PG).
Our style will be different next year, no doubt, but this doesn't change it that much. If anything, with our cutting style, being quicker won't be a bad thing, at least on the offensive side. And Summers has improved his rebounding quite a bit, so I actually like having him at the 4.
Macklin had a tendency to pick up a foul a minute, and it wouldn't be conducive to have a starter pick up two fouls with 18 left in the first half, and then have someone come off the bench that early in nearly every game. I exagerrate, but you get the point.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 23, 2008 19:26:46 GMT -5
Well, this sucks. At least we won't need to argue over the starting lineup anymore, since it seems pretty obvious now.
It's kinda weird timing - Macklin would have gotten good minutes next year, and it seemed likely that we would play at a faster pace.
We really need Braswell to qualify at this point.
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Post by grokamok on Apr 23, 2008 19:28:28 GMT -5
Wonder what the buzz is like on the UMD, Cuse & Duke boards. My guess: Terps creaming about this, saying it's a sign of trouble in the program and that it will help them gain a recruiting edge; Orange mispredicting years of future domination; Dookies trying desperately to report it without looking like they are interested so that they can make it seem that GTown/BE personnel don't matter to the high and mighty. Reality, if he does leave: VMack will give the Hoya program high praise while receiving the same from the coaching staff - such an amicable separation could actually help recruiting, especially in comparison to UMCP; Cuse & the rest of the Big East will not be able to play hack-a-Mack and it will be easier to identify a rotation from the get-go so that, by conference play, we'll be comfortable and ready to go; Duke will benefit if we have an early-season game with them (especially away) but will continue to lose out on the recruiting of athletic big men.
VMack is in a tough spot with the recruits and his performance thus far. He can't be expecting to be the starter without a huge fight and that might be demoralizing after playing second fiddle to Roy for the past two years. Make no mistake, I'd prefer to see him here, having a break-out junior season. Let's hope any decision he makes works out well for both him and the team.
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