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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2008 19:30:51 GMT -5
Fellas, as shocking as this is... we will be fine. In the end of the day, Macklin was a good kid but a huge dissappointment. Let's face it, he wasn't the smartest on the court... and his move to transfer may indicate that the same may be true off the court as well. At best, he was an Osmaine Barro and there is no real reason to think that all of a sudden he would break out of a two year funk and play like the All-American he was in high school. Yes we will be thin up front... but we have freshman twin towers that will do the job. Henry Sims is an absolute player and will be ready to contibute.
Let's hope that everything works out with Bras... and I guess this officially ends all the speculation.... Monroe starts from game 1.
This is a bit of a bummer.... but I'm totally okay with this.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2008 19:33:00 GMT -5
Macklin didn't foul significantly more often than Pat or Roy. Yes, a bit more per minute, but not much. It's not that hard to look that up instead of making things up.
He only averaged 3.4 and 2.1, but that was in 12 minutes. He also had more blocks than Patrick despite playing about half the minutes.
In games where he got minutes, he had some games where he showed what he could do. 8/3 with a block, a steal and an assist in 18 versus Davidson. 10 points in 12 minutes versus Pitt.
I just don't get the timing.
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Post by The Stig on Apr 23, 2008 19:36:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd jumped ship at the end of last year, but I'm surprised he went now. He really looked like he was on the up.
Whatever happens, I hope he ends up doing well somewhere.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 23, 2008 19:40:56 GMT -5
It really makes me sick to see some of the shots at Macklin early on in this thread. I didnt read through the second page because I had to respond to the crap on the first page.
Strummer, you usually seem like a fairly sane person, but the attacks on Macklin near the top of the thread, RIDICULOUS.
I hope Macklin doesnt transfer, but if he does I wish him all the best and will root for him to do well in the future. Sure, it would be very disappointing and frustrating, but bashing the kid isn't going to do us any good and is completely classless. To hear stuff like he should pay his tuition back cause we invested in him and so on, GIVE ME A BREAK! It's not like this kid didnt try, he invested in the program as well.
We clearly don't know everything behind this, but if he is transferring there could be many reasons for it that we are unaware of, let's withold judgement and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled brats. This isnt the NBA, we didnt spend millions on him in free agency, so let's chill on the bust talk.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 23, 2008 19:44:13 GMT -5
Macklin didn't foul significantly more often than Pat or Roy. Yes, a bit more per minute, but not much. It's not that hard to look that up instead of making things up. Sigh...I love message boards. You'd think a ridiculous exaggeration would be taken as such. But no. You'd think even stating that it was an exaggeration would help. But no. I'd love for Vern to stick around, he did show some flashes this last year. And the coolest mustache I'd ever seen. But I don't think this will ultimately impact us that much next year. As for playing small ball...remember the Duke home game? Roy played sparingly, I think he had 1 point (apologies, I'm guessing instead of looking it up again), and we knocked off the #1 team in the country. Whether we have a 7'2" ravenous beast in the middle or have a smaller, faster lineup, I have faith in JTIII. EDIT: Did just look it up. Vern had 1.7 fouls in 12.8 mins a game. Roy had 2.7 in 26. That seems significantly more to me.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2008 19:44:59 GMT -5
Everyone writes about what a great passer Mack was... but I didn't really see it. Instead, I noticed a lot of forced passes leading to turnovers. All i know is that almost everytime he touched the ball ... part of me would cringe.
I guess Mack didn't finish his sentence when he said, "My time will come...(at another program)."
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2008 19:47:43 GMT -5
Macklin didn't foul significantly more often than Pat or Roy. Yes, a bit more per minute, but not much. It's not that hard to look that up instead of making things up. Sigh...I love message boards. You'd think a ridiculous exaggeration would be taken as such. But no. You'd think even stating that it was an exaggeration would help. But no. I'd love for Vern to stick around, he did show some flashes this last year. And the coolest mustache I'd ever seen. But I don't think this will ultimately impact us that much next year. As for playing small ball...remember the Duke home game? Roy played sparingly, I think he had 1 point (apologies, I'm guessing instead of looking it up again), and we knocked off the #1 team in the country. Whether we have a 7'2" ravenous beast in the middle or have a smaller, faster lineup, I have faith in JTIII. well said... we will be fine.
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Post by voltahoya on Apr 23, 2008 19:50:00 GMT -5
Perhaps Vernon saw what PE Jr. did transferring from Indiana after a disapointing first 2 years . The mandatory year off, followed by a fresh start and 2 full seasons certainly did wonders for PE Jr. Now Patrick may even be drafted where few people thought that was possible after his first two years at IU. Macklin could have a similar strategy.
Anyway, we will be fine. Given III's recruiting there is a huge chance he can use this as an opportunity to upgrade, maybe even in time for next year. If not in time for next year, certainly we might be able to use Mack's spot for a stud the year after that.
I wish Vernon well, I hope his college career ends as well as PE Jr.'s has.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Apr 23, 2008 19:54:00 GMT -5
I also heard he hates puppies. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) But seriously, this caught me and is a bit of a shock, but it's what happens. It sucks, but it happens. A little weird that we'll be thin up front at "Big Man U", but we'll survive. I just hope that Vern gave his best to the Hoyas and feels like it's the best move for him and us. I wish him success and happiness.* We might be seeing an awfully small team next year. Then again, we might be seeing an awesomely small and fast team next year. *I reserve the right to retract those wishes if he ends up at Dook, UNC, UMCP, Cuse, any other BE school, St Leo's, Davidson, UMass, or GW.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 23, 2008 19:54:14 GMT -5
Best of luck to Vern wherever he ends up.
/obligatory polite junk
On the honest tip, I think this is not a huge deal. Call me what you will. The simple fact is this: Vernon Macklin was not and is not an especially good basketball player. In 2 years he had maybe 2 games where he looked like he was better than a backup at a midmajor. He could hardly catch a ball. He could not make a shot from outside of 3 feet away from the basket, and the free throw issues are well-documented. He wasn't even very good at blocking shots or rebounding, which are the two things that are supposed to be his strengths.
People who are upset about this are pretty clearly upset that we lost a guy who POTENTIALLY could have been a good player. But, he had the potential to be good the last few years, and he wasn't. Maybe he would have broken out next year since he would have had more playing time, but IMHO there's a very good chance that he still would have been a poor basketball player, just out there for longer.
Dude is also going on 22, and is older than several of my senior friends. This isn't a Roy Hibbert 19 year old junior who is still growing into his body. He's a grown man by now, and still not a quality player. For the record now that he's presumably going to sit out a transfer year, he's on pace to be a Joey Dorsey-like 24 years old for the entirety of his senior year, and will be going on 25 when and if he decides to pursue professional basketball (most likely overseas somewhere).
He'd be well-served to try things at ODU, W&M, or a CAA level school, maybe a little closer to home. That's the level that he's on. Will we be a little thin up front next year? Of course, but we were going to struggle up front regardless, and you know why? Because Vernon Macklin is not a great basketball player. I don't feel the need to mince words because I've been saying that for a long time now and I'm not just ragging on him because he's on the way out. You can spin it any way you want to, but he simply is not that good at the game, period.
And that's why I wish him luck in the CAA.
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Post by DudeSlade on Apr 23, 2008 19:59:07 GMT -5
Has there been anything else to corroborate this report? I know that these things from reliable reporters are usually fairly reliable, but I feel kind of weird having gone 3 pages in a thread about a transfer without any other news source being brought up to back it up. If he actually is transferring, I think its most disappointing for him, because he probably won't get the same education he'd get here and because it's tough to match the family atmosphere here as well.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2008 20:01:29 GMT -5
Best of luck to Vern wherever he ends up. /obligatory polite junk On the honest tip, I think this is not a huge deal. Call me what you will. The simple fact is this: Vernon Macklin was not and is not an especially good basketball player. In 2 years he had maybe 2 games where he looked like he was better than a backup at a midmajor. He could hardly catch a ball. He could not make a shot from outside of 3 feet away from the basket, and the free throw issues are well-documented. He wasn't even very good at blocking shots or rebounding, which are the two things that are supposed to be his strengths. People who are upset about this are pretty clearly upset that we lost a guy who POTENTIALLY could have been a good player. But, he had the potential to be good the last few years, and he wasn't. Maybe he would have broken out next year since he would have had more playing time, but IMHO there's a very good chance that he still would have been a poor basketball player, just out there for longer. Dude is also going on 22, and is older than several of my senior friends. This isn't a Roy Hibbert 19 year old junior who is still growing into his body. He's a grown man by now, and still not a quality player. For the record now that he's presumably going to sit out a transfer year, he's on pace to be a Joey Dorsey-like 24 years old for the entirety of his senior year, and will be going on 25 when and if he decides to pursue professional basketball (most likely overseas somewhere). He'd be well-served to try things at ODU, W&M, or a CAA level school, maybe a little closer to home. That's the level that he's on. Will we be a little thin up front next year? Of course, but we were going to struggle up front regardless, and you know why? Because Vernon Macklin is not a great basketball player. I don't feel the need to mince words because I've been saying that for a long time now and I'm not just ragging on him because he's on the way out. You can spin it any way you want to, but he simply is not that good at the game, period. And that's why I wish him luck in the CAA. I love it when people stop being polite and start getting real.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 23, 2008 20:02:20 GMT -5
I will wait til I hear something official.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 23, 2008 20:14:56 GMT -5
Strummer, you usually seem like a fairly sane person, but the attacks on Macklin near the top of the thread, RIDICULOUS. Admittedly so. I generally just don't mind throwing my knee-jerk reactions up on the board b/c on good days, they may contribute to a conversation, but at a minimum, it's just fun to see reactions to what comes off the top of my head. I still do consider it disappointing though. He underachieved for a long time here. I generally considered him one step short of terrible for the last 2 years. Then he just started to show something in the last month or so. His minutes stopped turning into "Oh god, I hope we don't blow the lead" time and actually became worthwhile at some points. With a more athletic starting 5, I thought he could be a much more fitting piece at the 5. There was a hope for him that I didn't have at the beginning of last season. That's the reason for the basketball frustration. But more deeply, I'm bothered by the POSSIBILITY that he took GU for granted. If this happened for personal reasons, grades, heroin use, first fights w/ Jesuits, then fine...that stuff happens (I guess? Not really, but I'm trying to be tolerant). But if this is for a little bit more playing time or to not be challenged by some freshmen, then I don't think that his commitment to GU is equivalent to the commitment that the program makes when it gives a scholarship to a McD AA.
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Post by rkerby15 on Apr 23, 2008 20:20:16 GMT -5
He is definitely transferring and it is because he does not like the Princeton offense and wants to be a part of a more uptempo team (from a more credible source than any reporter, but will not be named)
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Post by gujake on Apr 23, 2008 20:25:59 GMT -5
hmmm, wow. best of luck Vern
I have to agree that this isn't the sort of thing that prevents us from being a title contender some time down the line. If that is going to happen, this freshmen class needs to be special, and that doesn't change now. It certainly hurts our depth up front for this year, though.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 23, 2008 20:28:41 GMT -5
I admit to not knowing a thing in this area....does anyone know how this affects our scholarship situation? Would we potentially have another to offer for next season?
There may not be anyone we'd want to go hard after at this point and could just save it. I'm just curious.
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Post by vcjack on Apr 23, 2008 20:30:04 GMT -5
Wonder what the buzz is like on the UMD, Cuse & Duke boards. My guess: Terps creaming about this, saying it's a sign of trouble in the program and that it will help them gain a recruiting edge; Orange mispredicting years of future domination; Dookies trying desperately to report it without looking like they are interested so that they can make it seem that GTown/BE personnel don't matter to the high and mighty. Reality, if he does leave: VMack will give the Hoya program high praise while receiving the same from the coaching staff - such an amicable separation could actually help recruiting, especially in comparison to UMCP; Cuse & the rest of the Big East will not be able to play hack-a-Mack and it will be easier to identify a rotation from the get-go so that, by conference play, we'll be comfortable and ready to go; Duke will benefit if we have an early-season game with them (especially away) but will continue to lose out on the recruiting of athletic big men. VMack is in a tough spot with the recruits and his performance thus far. He can't be expecting to be the starter without a huge fight and that might be demoralizing after playing second fiddle to Roy for the past two years. Make no mistake, I'd prefer to see him here, having a break-out junior season. Let's hope any decision he makes works out well for both him and the team. Mostly everyone is saying that it will leave us thinner in the front line and that it makes sense for him to leave for a more uptempo program (with many expressing desire to get him) But overall the most discussion is going on the CAA boards, which makes me think that RBHoya is right that he'll end up there And ultimately I do know deep down that in his two years here he had little impact on the court, and I would have been perfectly fine if he left after his freshman season, but I would have liked to give him the chance, especially next season where he could have proved everyone wrong Oh well, happens. Probably what will end up being the biggest impact of this is when DaJuan eventually has to make the decision whether to stay or go because the he and Vern are close friends.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2008 20:30:32 GMT -5
Yes, it means we could offer someone for next year -- of course, we actually already had an available scholarship for next year (Jeff's). So now we could offer two if Vernon is gone, which we likely won't.
We only had five for '09 and '10 even saving Jeff's, so we may just bank it.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 23, 2008 20:33:37 GMT -5
Any thoughts that this potential decision to transfer is possibly related to Braswell qualifying?
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