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Post by Fan Of The Game on Dec 30, 2004 10:16:43 GMT -5
To further tie in the BC game to this thread, Reggie Greenwood reffed both games. He didn't sound too positive in his description of our victory over "powerhouse Norfolk State".
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 30, 2004 10:26:46 GMT -5
Just curious, which one was Greenwood? Was he the one with the pseudo-flattop haircut (slightly modified by a receding hairline) who kept blowing all the calls on Jeff and Roy's blocks?
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Post by stafford72 on Dec 30, 2004 10:51:27 GMT -5
Reggie Greenwood was the Black ref with the perpetual smile on his face. He works many of the big conferences and is very competent. Tuesday's game was easy for him since he is a local resident.
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hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Dec 30, 2004 10:55:57 GMT -5
he's also the one that called me for a technical foul in a game against Virginia Tech a few years back . . .
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 30, 2004 11:18:45 GMT -5
Reggie Greenwood was the Black ref with the perpetual smile on his face. He works many of the big conferences and is very competent. Tuesday's game was easy for him since he is a local resident. Gotcha, thanks! He didn't make an impression on me, but if I don't notice a ref, that usually speaks to their quality of officiating! ;D
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Dec 30, 2004 11:29:08 GMT -5
By the way, did anyone ever mention that we scored the go ahead bucket in overtime when Norfolk State only put four players on the court? Probably had to do with the fact that their head coach couldn't make it to the game.
Anyway, a win is a win, kill me, go hoyas, beat Howard.
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Post by FOTP on Dec 30, 2004 11:44:57 GMT -5
It must be the court....4 players....6 players....either way.
Add in the terrible job by the clock/scoreboard operator and the guy asleep at the wheel on the possesion arrow and you had one heck of a game.
Let's all just hope the Howard band shows up tonight!
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 30, 2004 12:20:52 GMT -5
I thought the same thing at first, but actually, they had a player go down on their end of the court, and they couldn't get a sub in until they could call a timeout. (He was in the corner near the NSU bench, so it was tough to see him down).
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 30, 2004 15:51:52 GMT -5
I think that's fair to a point, but the lack of development in the newcomers outside Green should be a concern. It is unfair to say that Roy Hibbert has not developed. Anyone who saw him last year would tell you that he has improved. He also puts in a lot of hard work on his own and with the coaches. Sure, there is room for improvement, but we should give Roy some credit.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 30, 2004 16:04:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I'm not following you. My point was that the reserves need more in-game experience entering the Big East, regardless of who it is. I'm not questioning "lack of development" but I do question whether a seven man rotation is enough to withstand the rigors of Big East play. That's not some wholesale knocking of the coach, that's just a reflection based on past Georgetown teams where depth was vital to its success. (See www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive0204.htm#32 for details.) To the other point raised, the failures of the past coaching staff were never driven on facilities. [Facilities is not a game by game issue, it is a program issue and is really not relevant to tonight's conversation.] If anything, I was harder in the past on assistants (i.e. R. Thompson and C. Simms) who seemed more focused on recruiting than game prep, i.e., doing the things in practice to get players prepared for the game. The consistenyly slow starts by the 03-04 team were symtomatic of a team which was not focused entering the game and which lost focus at the end of the game. Any such issues have not been the case in 04-05--the team has shown considerably better effort in this area than their predecessors and I give the head coach and his assistants credit for re-instilling this. Let's make this clear: I'm supportive of the coach and the program. I was supportive of coach Thompson's predecessor, and I'll be supportive of his successor, too. Leave the "what's really going on?" theories to Keith Olbermann, who still thinks the Ohio electoral vote is up for grabs. Our rotation is not seven guys. We have Wallace, Cook, Bowman, Green, Hibbert, Owens, Reed, and Ross. If you think we need more than that, ask Boeheim. He uses a rotation regularly that is even smaller than that. The key is that you play the guys who are able to compete at the BE level. Thus far, JT3 has played only 8 guys in tight situations because these are the guys who can honestly play at a high level. We may run into foul trouble, but has it happened yet? I do not think that Jeff has come close other than his picking up two cheapies against Illinois, if I remember correctly. Your use of Ronnie Thompson and Chip Simms as scapegoats is quite telling. We changed assistants, and guess what... the problem still existed. There is a decent amount of evidence to suggest that things were done in spite of the advice of assistants, who suggested things that were contrary to the inklings of a certain former member of the basketball staff. The head coach makes decisions about how to allocate resources and prioritize, not the assistant coaches. If you are upset about game preparation, maybe we should ask why a certain former member of the staff ceased his watching of our game tapes. The fact is that when problems are so systemic, which they were in our case, the blame stops at one desk, which it ultimately did. I think it is probably time to put away the theory that our ills were a result of Ronnie Thompson and Chip Simms. It is unfair to place the blame at their doorsteps because they, for the most part, left quietly, although Chip did make some ill-advised noise. Suffice to say, however, that they did not have an opportunity to defend their performance as assistant coaches in the way that other former members of the GU basketball staff did.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 30, 2004 17:41:07 GMT -5
We have more than eight guys, but rarely play more than seven or eight for any time.
Roy and Brandon fouled out of the game versus Long Beach, I think -- or was it Clemson?
So I think it is a legit concern. Especially when they have to guard Craig Smith. We've got three men we like to play between C and PF. Not deep.
It's unfair to lay all the blame on Ronnie and Chip, but I also think it is clear that neither were such superstars as to help the team any versus Chuck and Jaren.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 30, 2004 17:54:12 GMT -5
We have more than eight guys, but rarely play more than seven or eight for any time. Roy and Brandon fouled out of the game versus Long Beach, I think -- or was it Clemson? So I think it is a legit concern. Especially when they have to guard Craig Smith. We've got three men we like to play between C and PF. Not deep. It's unfair to lay all the blame on Ronnie and Chip, but I also think it is clear that neither were such superstars as to help the team any versus Chuck and Jaren. The depth issue is a good point to some extent, but I think that even if two of our post players (Roy, Green, Bobo) fouled out, we'd go small and essentially play zone with the one remaining post player at the 5. We can agree to disagree on JT3's rotation. I think he's appropriately identified the people who are capable of playing elite basketball at this time. I do not think the others figure too much into our long term plans, and, in what is by all accounts a rebuilding year, it makes sense to play with what we can build upon moving forward.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 30, 2004 18:35:47 GMT -5
but the lack of development in the newcomers outside Green should be a concern. DFW, don't you think this is a bit premature to be making such a judgement? What are we, 10 games into the season and the BE hasn't even started yet? In addition, Wallace and Hibbert are getting a lot of minutes and making serious contributions. Reed is playing his best Hoya ball (even though some are still disappointed). Cook is playing better - but there is still a lot of room for improvement, and Bowman... well, sometimes he looks great, sometimes not. Let's see how this team looks in March. Then we can make some better assessments about how much improvement the new.. and returning guys have made. We might also learn over the summer if any of our guys feel they aren't going to be included and make the decision to go elsewhere. If that happens, I'll still give JT3 a free pass on it. One can't compare kids leaving after the first year of a brand new coach who did not recruit them, to the constant turnover of an established coach who brought all those kids into the program himself.
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