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Post by quickplay on Sept 24, 2009 11:16:53 GMT -5
This, is a day, that I think we should celebrate; for its a good thing to have command of...
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Post by quickplay on Sept 23, 2009 15:54:59 GMT -5
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Post by quickplay on Sept 17, 2009 15:26:50 GMT -5
Oh, ok I understand now. The issue is whether or not YOU consider it pervasive.
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Post by quickplay on Sept 17, 2009 14:48:32 GMT -5
So let's disband Georgetown, the Catholic Church, the military, countless major corporations, Congress, the Senate, the court system... I mean they've all had controversies and bad things go on within their ranks. Some worse, some not as bad, some at higher levels in the organization.
The point isn't that what they did was ok. It's not. The point is the level of anger and outrage at this compared to other situations that are a much bigger deal. What directs the anger to Acorn and not these these other institutions?
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Post by quickplay on Sept 17, 2009 14:06:36 GMT -5
Again, picking out specific individuals doing things that are completely against the purpose and rules of an organization and condemning the entire organization based on that. I'm sure that every organization you support has total control over each individual and anything horrible anyone does is a mark against the legitimacy of the organization itself. Right?
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Post by quickplay on Sept 17, 2009 12:03:25 GMT -5
This article is about a 3 minute read and I think does an incredible job at explaining the view of people who don't understand the intense focus on Acorn outrage in light of other abuses going on. It isn't as simple as tit for tat in showing how each other's "sides" all do bad things, but how the anger of the right wing is very often directed at everyone EXCEPT those who have a substantial influence over large policy and monetary issues. This isn't an argument to claim that they have no right to complain, obviously they do. But what is it that directs the anger at things like healthcare reform and Acorn instead of (insert one: corruption in war profiteering, revolving door between government and business, government contract abuses, corporate tax shelters...)? Attempts to discuss this quickly move into controversial explanations (e.g. racism topic on this board), but I'd be interested in hearing the views of some people on this board on this idea and those put forth in the article linked. www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/17/acorn_hysteria/People are angry at healthcare reform and bailouts (see town halls and tea party protesters). But... Seven Democrats voted against shutting down ACORN. No Republicans. Just Democrats. Salon's article states: "To a non-profit group that devotes itself to providing minute benefits to people who live under America's poverty line, and which is so powerless in Washington that virtually the entire U.S. Senate just voted to cut off its funding at the first sign of real controversy -- could anyone imagine that happening to a key player in the banking or defense industry?" The best part of watching the Daily Show was Jon Stewart's comment that surely discussing underaged prostitution of noncitizens (who are rife for abuse, illegal or not), and ACORN didn't even flinch! That's what gets me. Democrats - and not one nut, but seven, continue to defend the organization, and Salon says that they're just trying to help people find houses. THEY'RE ABETTING PROPOSED UNDERAGED PROSTITUTION AND POSSIBLE SEX SLAVERY AND YOU DON'T BAT AN EYEBALL? WTF? Who said I don't bat an eyeball? Is the organization devoted to helping underage prostitution? Or did individual people do that? I mean really, if you want to take the actions of individual people in a group or organization and equate that with the total actions of the organization itself, you're opening yourself up to INFINITE discussions about the value of almost ANY organization/company/group.
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Post by quickplay on Sept 17, 2009 11:37:24 GMT -5
This article is about a 3 minute read and I think does an incredible job at explaining the view of people who don't understand the intense focus on Acorn outrage in light of other abuses going on. It isn't as simple as tit for tat in showing how each other's "sides" all do bad things, but how the anger of the right wing is very often directed at everyone EXCEPT those who have a substantial influence over large policy and monetary issues. This isn't an argument to claim that they have no right to complain, obviously they do. But what is it that directs the anger at things like healthcare reform and Acorn instead of (insert one: corruption in war profiteering, revolving door between government and business, government contract abuses, corporate tax shelters...)? Attempts to discuss this quickly move into controversial explanations (e.g. racism topic on this board), but I'd be interested in hearing the views of some people on this board on this idea and those put forth in the article linked. www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/17/acorn_hysteria/
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Post by quickplay on Jun 25, 2009 16:50:48 GMT -5
Sanford took $21,487 in federal funds to travel to Argentina last year on a Commerce Department trip and presumably visit his "good, good friend". www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/24/south.carolina.sanford.argentina/index.html. This is from a man who wanted to refuse federal bailout money on the principal of limited federal government. Meanwhile, South Carolina's schools are falling apart - the buildings are from the 19th century and they don't have working desks. $21,487 would certainly pay for a lot of textbooks, desks, pencils, whiteboards, erasers, etc. Governor Sanford is obviously a hypocrit and an idiot. Yeah, cause that $21,487 would have gone directly to South Carolina schools had it not been spent on the trip to Argentina. What an idiot. Are you really so hyper-partisan that you ignore the principle of that comment in order to lob an ad hominem attack?
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Post by quickplay on Jun 17, 2009 11:23:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure -- in fact I know -- that John Murtha, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry all called our military terrorists and murderers at one or several points during the last 8 years. And yes, they said vile things about the Bush administration, just as hateful as what you are hearing today. You want to blame Bill O'Reilly for Tiller's murder? That's ridiculous, but fine, if you want to do that, then please indict Mssrs. Murtha, Kennedy and Kerry for the murder of William Long while you are at it. The sooner people realize that talk, while sometimes offensive and grotesque and deserving of condemnation -- no matter where it comes from -- is never an excuse for violent behavior, the happier I'll be. This is an absurd claim to make.
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Post by quickplay on Jun 2, 2009 9:57:51 GMT -5
just one question based on previews the premise seems to be: bank employee denies old gypsy a bank loan extension, old gypsy sends bank employee to hell. Does that seem uneven to anyone else? denying an old demon gypsy the money she needs to install real granite countertops in her kitchen? that is the worst offense in all of gypsy code
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Post by quickplay on May 31, 2009 15:24:30 GMT -5
A homeless guy on the street wearing a wedding dress and flippers yelled to me that Republicans attempts at kicking all of the poor and gay people out of America is moving forward faster than they expected. Discuss.
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Post by quickplay on May 30, 2009 19:25:35 GMT -5
When Sarah Palin launched attack after attack on the US media, I didn't take it as an attack on the American people in general. The Brits think their press is garbage too. I have nothing left to conclude other than that you have no idea what a press secretary is or what he or she is meant to do. I think you're going so far out of your way to find faults in the Obama administration that your legitimate concerns are overshadowed by your more ridiculous claims. It was a rude thing to say. It has not started an international incident. There is a difference between the British press and the British people. Even IF something is said by the US Press Secretary. A press secretary is not the Living Word of America.
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Post by quickplay on May 29, 2009 14:35:27 GMT -5
Since he's the press secretary, there is no difference between the UK as a nation and the British Press? Huh?
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Post by quickplay on May 24, 2009 19:16:22 GMT -5
What would have been the reaction if the Catholic Church has said "ideally we'd like to eliminate all sexual activity between our priests and adolescents or youths but that's impractical at this time so we're going to set a goal of reducing the number of such cases"? Just being practical. would have been better than what they did
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Post by quickplay on May 21, 2009 14:52:02 GMT -5
There are a few issues I have with it.
The argument makes sense if you are in the camp that believes that any abortion any time for any reason is wrong. And that you also believe that literally the only solution is that everyone in the United States abides by that and it is perfectly enforced. To say that we want it all like that instantly, and then to dismiss with that kind of rhetoric the idea of lowering the number of abortions is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If someone believes life begins at conception and that each of those lives matter, why wouldn't they welcome action to reduce the number of abortions, or even unplanned pregnancies themselves? Doing so does not preclude them from also working as hard as they can to eliminate abortion altogether.
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Post by quickplay on May 21, 2009 8:57:24 GMT -5
cut off your nose to spite your face
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Post by quickplay on May 18, 2009 23:36:41 GMT -5
That. Finale. Was. Awful.
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Post by quickplay on May 14, 2009 20:34:59 GMT -5
if she's culpable let's hope she has to face the music just like the people who set up and ran the programs.
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Post by quickplay on Apr 28, 2009 12:38:57 GMT -5
Just playing a bit of devil's advocate, but voting for party could be seen as more undemocratic than switching parties. More a comment about the un-democratic nature of our two-party system than a comment on this specific event.
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Post by quickplay on Apr 24, 2009 14:52:43 GMT -5
That is an unbelievable job by the girls there. Broke the collegiate record as well. Nothing you can do to stop a girl running 4:10, but their overall team effort was incredible. Congrats!
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