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Post by coach98 on Jan 23, 2024 22:12:28 GMT -5
Butler: 4,625, 6:30 PM, January 23, 2024 - Tuesday
The Hoyas fell 90-66. I was there. There is no way there was much more than 2000 at the game.
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Post by reformation on Jan 24, 2024 0:02:54 GMT -5
Reality check for McDonough--crazy to keep pushing what's not working
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Post by coach98 on Jan 24, 2024 11:29:45 GMT -5
Any theories on why the student turnout was poor?
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Post by This Just In on Jan 24, 2024 11:59:18 GMT -5
Any theories on why the student turnout was poor? The team has not been good to average in the regular season since JTIII was coaching.
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Post by coach98 on Jan 24, 2024 12:02:19 GMT -5
Any theories on why the student turnout was poor? The team has not been good to average in the regular season since JTIII was coaching. Student turnout has been pretty good this season. The weather wasn't that bad yesterday. They have been back from break for awhile now.
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Post by traversb on Jan 24, 2024 12:12:33 GMT -5
Butler:4,625, 6:30 PM, January 23, 2024 - Tuesday The Hoyas fell 90-66. I was there. There is no way there was much more than 2000 at the game. The announcers said the crowd noise and atmosphere reminded them of the Covid games.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 24, 2024 12:33:39 GMT -5
From the beginning of the season: "Our wins won't come on the scoreboard" in Year 1, Cooley said. "Our wins are going to come in transformational change of students, alumni, faculty, staff, advertising, ticket sales, promotions."www.ksl.com/article/50769724/new-georgetown-basketball-coach-ed-cooley-has-plans-to-change-the-culture-and-the-win-loss-recordHe's delivered on the part about not getting wins on the scoreboard. Through 4 Big East home games, we're averaging 4,987 in attendance so far this season. Through 4 Big East home games last season, we averaged 5,225 in attendance.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 24, 2024 12:49:46 GMT -5
Any theories on why the student turnout was poor? Two words: customer experience. Why does someone pay more to shop at a Wegmans than a Kroger? Why does someone fly Delta but not Spirit? This is Marketing 101: a positive value proposition drives repeat business. I mentioned Wegman's. It is not in my area but its message to customers applies everywhere. it reads: "We set our goal to be the very best at serving the needs of our customers. Every action we take should be made with our customers in mind. We also believe that we can achieve our goal only if we fulfill the needs of our own people." Students are the customers of Georgetown basketball. They are the present and future of the program as alumni. They are treated as ancillary at best and forgettable at worst. Students attend games for one, two, or three basic reasons: 1) they enjoy the sport, 2) it's a social event, and/or 3) it is worth their time amidst all the other distractions of their lives. None of these apply right now. 1. Georgetown basketball isn't fun right now. Despite thousands of unsold seats (15,675 last night alone), they are placed in some of the worst seats in the building. Spontaneous demonstrations of support (or disapproval) are promptly tamped down by the Monumental security forces. Forget 50 cent beer at McDonough or the Stonewalls, any attempt at fan interaction is shut down--try bringing in a sign into the arena. GU does not invest in the student experience and they are not coming back as alumni, whether to Capital One Arena, the "Colossus of Alexandria", or whatever soulless facility is left after Georgetown kicks the can yet again. 2. Attending home games should be, but is not a social event. Today's students have no "Detroit 1978" or "Missouri 1982" or "Duke 2006" or "Syracuse 2013" in their collective memory. There are no pre-game events. There are no post-game events. There are no Hoop Club events for students, a group that was once closely tied with the student experience and is disengaged from this. If their friends aren't going, neither will they, and the memories that carry far beyond the event simply won't be there. 3. Georgetown basketball is not worth their time. People are not taking three hours out of their evening to sit in an empty building and hear some MC shouting over a microphone, or a free throw shooting contest at halftime. They are not going to spend three hours to see teams that are not competitive in the Big East, just as they do not spend three hours to see a football team that can't schedule beyond the bottoms of Division I and still can't win. I came across this video of a student at TCU speaking about why she goes to games. TCU is not some state funded football colossus but a school of comparable size to Georgetown in a rather large city (1 million) in a market saturated by pro teams and plenty of entertainment options. Yet she goes to the games. Why? Community. Georgetown basketball lacks community in a fundamental way.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 24, 2024 14:57:08 GMT -5
Any theories on why the student turnout was poor? Two words: customer experience. Why does someone pay more to shop at a Wegmans than a Kroger? Why does someone fly Delta but not Spirit? This is Marketing 101: a positive value proposition drives repeat business. I mentioned Wegman's. It is not in my area but its message to customers applies everywhere. it reads: "We set our goal to be the very best at serving the needs of our customers. Every action we take should be made with our customers in mind. We also believe that we can achieve our goal only if we fulfill the needs of our own people." Students are the customers of Georgetown basketball. They are the present and future of the program as alumni. They are treated as ancillary at best and forgettable at worst. Students attend games for one, two, or three basic reasons: 1) they enjoy the sport, 2) it's a social event, and/or 3) it is worth their time amidst all the other distractions of their lives. None of these apply right now. 1. Georgetown basketball isn't fun right now. Despite thousands of unsold seats (15,675 last night alone), they are placed in some of the worst seats in the building. Spontaneous demonstrations of support (or disapproval) are promptly tamped down by the Monumental security forces. Forget 50 cent beer at McDonough or the Stonewalls, any attempt at fan interaction is shut down--try bringing in a sign into the arena. GU does not invest in the student experience and they are not coming back as alumni, whether to Capital One Arena, the "Colossus of Alexandria", or whatever soulless facility is left after Georgetown kicks the can yet again. 2. Attending home games should be, but is not a social event. Today's students have no "Detroit 1978" or "Missouri 1982" or "Duke 2006" or "Syracuse 2013" in their collective memory. There are no pre-game events. There are no post-game events. There are no Hoop Club events for students, a group that was once closely tied with the student experience and is disengaged from this. If their friends aren't going, neither will they, and the memories that carry far beyond the event simply won't be there. 3. Georgetown basketball is not worth their time. People are not taking three hours out of their evening to sit in an empty building and hear some MC shouting over a microphone, or a free throw shooting contest at halftime. They are not going to spend three hours to see teams that are not competitive in the Big East, just as they do not spend three hours to see a football team that can't schedule beyond the bottoms of Division I and still can't win. I came across this video of a student at TCU speaking about why she goes to games. TCU is not some state funded football colossus but a school of comparable size to Georgetown in a rather large city (1 million) in a market saturated by pro teams and plenty of entertainment options. Yet she goes to the games. Why? Community. Georgetown basketball lacks community in a fundamental way. Agreed on all accounts. They need to move all the students behind the benches. Move all us old farts to the other side of the arena opposite the cameras. Put tarps over the endzones and lower the lights. Have the students bring signs, change the promotions, create some incentive to go. Last night was really sad because the product on the court stunk. We should have a loyalty program with an area restaurant/bar for pre-post game deals for the students. There is plenty of space down there now to do it.
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Post by coach98 on Jan 24, 2024 18:28:52 GMT -5
Any theories on why the student turnout was poor? Two words: customer experience. Why does someone pay more to shop at a Wegmans than a Kroger? Why does someone fly Delta but not Spirit? This is Marketing 101: a positive value proposition drives repeat business. I mentioned Wegman's. It is not in my area but its message to customers applies everywhere. it reads: "We set our goal to be the very best at serving the needs of our customers. Every action we take should be made with our customers in mind. We also believe that we can achieve our goal only if we fulfill the needs of our own people." Students are the customers of Georgetown basketball. They are the present and future of the program as alumni. They are treated as ancillary at best and forgettable at worst. Students attend games for one, two, or three basic reasons: 1) they enjoy the sport, 2) it's a social event, and/or 3) it is worth their time amidst all the other distractions of their lives. None of these apply right now. 1. Georgetown basketball isn't fun right now. Despite thousands of unsold seats (15,675 last night alone), they are placed in some of the worst seats in the building. Spontaneous demonstrations of support (or disapproval) are promptly tamped down by the Monumental security forces. Forget 50 cent beer at McDonough or the Stonewalls, any attempt at fan interaction is shut down--try bringing in a sign into the arena. GU does not invest in the student experience and they are not coming back as alumni, whether to Capital One Arena, the "Colossus of Alexandria", or whatever soulless facility is left after Georgetown kicks the can yet again. 2. Attending home games should be, but is not a social event. Today's students have no "Detroit 1978" or "Missouri 1982" or "Duke 2006" or "Syracuse 2013" in their collective memory. There are no pre-game events. There are no post-game events. There are no Hoop Club events for students, a group that was once closely tied with the student experience and is disengaged from this. If their friends aren't going, neither will they, and the memories that carry far beyond the event simply won't be there. 3. Georgetown basketball is not worth their time. People are not taking three hours out of their evening to sit in an empty building and hear some MC shouting over a microphone, or a free throw shooting contest at halftime. They are not going to spend three hours to see teams that are not competitive in the Big East, just as they do not spend three hours to see a football team that can't schedule beyond the bottoms of Division I and still can't win. I came across this video of a student at TCU speaking about why she goes to games. TCU is not some state funded football colossus but a school of comparable size to Georgetown in a rather large city (1 million) in a market saturated by pro teams and plenty of entertainment options. Yet she goes to the games. Why? Community. Georgetown basketball lacks community in a fundamental way. 1. I can't find fault with any of this. 2. I can't speak for what the offerings are for students, however, I think Rocket Bar across from the arena seems to be the spot for students. The Hoya Hoop Club makes an effort to reach alums. They meet up at District E(next to the arena, formerly Bar Louie) after home games. I think you're right though. it needs to be more of a social event, especially for students. Take a look at what Grand Canyon University, widely regarded to have the best student section in the sport, is doing. 3. The decision to care about a sports team is rarely framed as, is it worth my time? Georgetown basketball hasn't been worth any of our time or effort for quite some time, but here we are. As for the TCU comparison, TCU has a far richer history as a football school in a football crazy place than Georgetown does as a basketball school. TCU was the national runner-up last season and has won a couple of national championships. TCU has an appropriately-sized on campus stadium. Plus, college football is the best in-game atmosphere in America. Very hard to compete with that.
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 24, 2024 21:09:59 GMT -5
Butler:4,625, 6:30 PM, January 23, 2024 - Tuesday The Hoyas fell 90-66. I was there. There is no way there was much more than 2000 at the game. Very sad and very true. I'm used to lousy attendance, but frankly coming off an exciting Xavier game and with an early start, was expecting at least twice the "in the building" number. Silly me....
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Post by reformation on Jan 24, 2024 23:15:03 GMT -5
Agree with analysis above.
Unless were at least a top 20 or more likely top 5-15 type of team don't see us generating a ton of student interest playing in our current/projected homes.
If we move back to McDonough, we can have a decent student experience with a decent but not great team.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 2, 2024 12:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by coach98 on Feb 2, 2024 13:33:09 GMT -5
No lies detected. I've been checking the secondary market for tickets to tomorrow's game. They are actually somewhat expensive. The quality of opponent really matters.
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Post by coach98 on Feb 3, 2024 19:44:38 GMT -5
Marquette:10,563, 2 PM, February 3, 2024 - Saturday
The Hoyas fall to the Eagles 91-57. The line was Hoyas +12.5. That attendance number feels accurate to me based on my vantage point in section 102. Unfortunately, there were several loud "We are Marquette" chants heard throughout the game.
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Post by coach98 on Feb 3, 2024 20:17:01 GMT -5
Interesting side note: last year's home game against Marquette drew 7,111.
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 4, 2024 12:31:38 GMT -5
Official attendance yesterday 10,563 — which per usual was probably about 30-40% overstated from actual fannies in the seats but still a nice crowd/lotsa students (and Marquette fans). Perfect weather and time for a game against a quality foe certainly helped the numbers. Bet we have similar next Saturday…
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 4, 2024 12:35:29 GMT -5
Official attendance yesterday 10,563 — which per usual was probably about 30-40% overstated from actual fannies in the seats but still a nice crowd/lotsa students (and Marquette fans). Perfect weather and time for a game against a quality foe certainly helped the numbers. Bet we have similar next Saturday… Would think there would be significantly more UCONN fans attending than Marquette fans did - although Marquette has a great fan base too. Are we doing BOGO tickets for students next week like we did yesterday?
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 4, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -5
Official attendance yesterday 10,563 — which per usual was probably about 30-40% overstated from actual fannies in the seats but still a nice crowd/lotsa students (and Marquette fans). Perfect weather and time for a game against a quality foe certainly helped the numbers. Bet we have similar next Saturday… Would think there would be significantly more UCONN fans attending than Marquette fans did - although Marquette has a great fan base too. Are we doing BOGO tickets for students next week like we did yesterday? You may be right but I hope not — UConn fans not my faves, and they may just assume the W and not bother (little bit of same old same old for them). But it is is the “alumni takeover” game for us, featuring the highly entertaining baby crawl race at half time, so maybe we’ll represent well no matter what!
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 6, 2024 11:04:50 GMT -5
If you would like to increase home attendance by two against Villanova in some excellent seats in renowned Section 101, PM me. I'm going to be away. Note that this is NOT a scalp, but a friendly offer if you promise to attend yourself (with another) and make some noise.
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