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Post by TC on Nov 21, 2023 17:36:59 GMT -5
As ProfHoya said above, two different coaches absolutely starving for any big have given him almost zero minutes. I don’t see how my words could be more damning than that indictment. The bigger concern with Fielder and Mutombo questionable center options this year is that we need to grab a big (grad senior, Sorbet?, etc) in the December-January portal if we want to be competitive come big east play. There is no December-January portal.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 17:45:10 GMT -5
The bigger concern with Fielder and Mutombo questionable center options this year is that we need to grab a big (grad senior, Sorbet?, etc) in the December-January portal if we want to be competitive come big east play. There is no December-January portal. I believe a grad senior or reclass can still come in before the January semester.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 21, 2023 18:56:28 GMT -5
As ProfHoya said above, two different coaches absolutely starving for any big have given him almost zero minutes. I don’t see how my words could be more damning than that indictment. The bigger concern with Fielder and Mutombo questionable center options this year is that we need to grab a big (grad senior, Sorbet?, etc) in the December-January portal if we want to be competitive come big east play. People who transfer in December-January cannot play in January. The only possible exception may be graduates, and even then if they played first semester somewhere else, I'm not sure they can play second semester. As I see it, the only options for new players in the second half are Drew McKenna if he doesn't redshirt or possibly a graduate transfer (if that's even possible, it might not be).
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 19:46:03 GMT -5
The bigger concern with Fielder and Mutombo questionable center options this year is that we need to grab a big (grad senior, Sorbet?, etc) in the December-January portal if we want to be competitive come big east play. People who transfer in December-January cannot play in January. The only possible exception may be graduates, and even then if they played first semester somewhere else, I'm not sure they can play second semester. As I see it, the only options for new players in the second half are Drew McKenna if he doesn't redshirt or possibly a graduate transfer (if that's even possible, it might not be). Seems like you are saying a grad transfer could play immediately or a player could pull an Akok and suddenly graduate in December making them eligible. I believe we have a couple open scholarships. Might as well use them on a position of need for a 6 month rental.
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Post by TC on Nov 21, 2023 20:26:38 GMT -5
People who transfer in December-January cannot play in January. The only possible exception may be graduates, and even then if they played first semester somewhere else, I'm not sure they can play second semester. As I see it, the only options for new players in the second half are Drew McKenna if he doesn't redshirt or possibly a graduate transfer (if that's even possible, it might not be). Seems like you are saying a grad transfer could play immediately or a player could pull an Akok and suddenly graduate in December making them eligible. I believe we have a couple open scholarships. Might as well use them on a position of need for a 6 month rental. I don't think this profile - a frontcourt player who graduates in December, is not playing currently for a team, and is okay with using their last year of eligibility in half a season exists.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 21:13:46 GMT -5
Seems like you are saying a grad transfer could play immediately or a player could pull an Akok and suddenly graduate in December making them eligible. I believe we have a couple open scholarships. Might as well use them on a position of need for a 6 month rental. I don't think this profile - a frontcourt player who graduates in December, is not playing currently for a team, and is okay with using their last year of eligibility in half a season exists. Why can’t they currently be playing for a team? That’s something 2003 just made up. Read his post.
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Post by TC on Nov 21, 2023 21:20:29 GMT -5
I don't think this profile - a frontcourt player who graduates in December, is not playing currently for a team, and is okay with using their last year of eligibility in half a season exists. Why can’t they currently be playing for a team? That’s something 2003 just made up. Read his post. Can you name a player that played for two teams in one season?
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 21:35:09 GMT -5
Why can’t they currently be playing for a team? That’s something 2003 just made up. Read his post. Can you name a player that played for two teams in one season? So essentially you were making it up and have nothing in the NCAA rules to back it up. I think we can look at Akok who played for us and then graduated and played for West Virginia in the following basketball semester.
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Post by TC on Nov 21, 2023 21:59:10 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Nov 21, 2023 21:59:34 GMT -5
Can we just stop this argument. No one is coming to save the day. We will play the rest of the year with what we have now. To be honest I'd rather have Cooley work with Fielder the rest of the year and see if he can grow into the center role over the next three years than bring in some guy who we will forget ever played for us in 4-5 years. I'm tired of this revolving door of players and would like Fielder, Brumbaugh and Styles to be stars of our 2025-26 team.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 22:00:53 GMT -5
Why are you posting something for the 2024-2025 season. That is not relevant to the 2023-2024 season.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 22, 2023 0:05:15 GMT -5
Can we just stop this argument. No one is coming to save the day. We will play the rest of the year with what we have now. To be honest I'd rather have Cooley work with Fielder the rest of the year and see if he can grow into the center role over the next three years than bring in some guy who we will forget ever played for us in 4-5 years. I'm tired of this revolving door of players and would like Fielder, Brumbaugh and Styles to be stars of our 2025-26 team. Styles won’t be a star on the 25-26 team.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 22, 2023 0:09:43 GMT -5
Why are you posting something for the 2024-2025 season. That is not relevant to the 2023-2024 season. professorhoya, I literally cannot think of a single situation where someone played on an NCAA Division I team Fall semester and then played on another team in the Spring Semester. No, that's not an NCAA rule, but the fact that it seemingly has never happened would be strong circumstantial evidence that it's not permitted. If such transfers were possible, NIL money would be thrown everywhere and guys would be moving. It hasn't happened, so logic would dictate that it is not permitted. Contrarily, if what you are saying is accurate, the rules DO allow such transfers and yet nobody is doing it. That is implausible.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 22, 2023 0:22:15 GMT -5
Why are you posting something for the 2024-2025 season. That is not relevant to the 2023-2024 season. professorhoya, I literally cannot think of a single situation where someone played on an NCAA Division I team Fall semester and then played on another team in the Spring Semester. No, that's not an NCAA rule, but the fact that it seemingly has never happened would be strong circumstantial evidence that it's not permitted. If such transfers were possible, NIL money would be thrown everywhere and guys would be moving. It hasn't happened, so logic would dictate that it is not permitted. Contrarily, if what you are saying is accurate, the rules DO allow such transfers and yet nobody is doing it. That is implausible. Have you ever seen something like what Akok did before? Apply credits to a previous school to graduate. There have been a ton of new rules in the past 4 years and resourceful people like Akok are taking advantage of it in creative ways. It’s the Wild West with the NIL Money. We have scholarship ms available so we should use them for this year. There’s no guarantee anyone stays next year. You have to play for this year.
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Post by guru on Nov 22, 2023 10:28:22 GMT -5
professorhoya, I literally cannot think of a single situation where someone played on an NCAA Division I team Fall semester and then played on another team in the Spring Semester. No, that's not an NCAA rule, but the fact that it seemingly has never happened would be strong circumstantial evidence that it's not permitted. If such transfers were possible, NIL money would be thrown everywhere and guys would be moving. It hasn't happened, so logic would dictate that it is not permitted. Contrarily, if what you are saying is accurate, the rules DO allow such transfers and yet nobody is doing it. That is implausible. Have you ever seen something like what Akok did before? Apply credits to a previous school to graduate. There have been a ton of new rules in the past 4 years and resourceful people like Akok are taking advantage of it in creative ways. It’s the Wild West with the NIL Money. We have scholarship ms available so we should use them for this year. There’s no guarantee anyone stays next year. You have to play for this year. This argument has passed its "enjoyably stupid" phase and entered into the straight annoying. Professor, your scenario is incorrect. Just drop it and take the L.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 22, 2023 10:51:01 GMT -5
Have you ever seen something like what Akok did before? Apply credits to a previous school to graduate. There have been a ton of new rules in the past 4 years and resourceful people like Akok are taking advantage of it in creative ways. It’s the Wild West with the NIL Money. We have scholarship ms available so we should use them for this year. There’s no guarantee anyone stays next year. You have to play for this year. I am pretty sure that happens with some frequency. Very few schools are going to award a bachelor's degree if a student has only been there one year. When guys transfer after their junior year, like Akok did, IF they graduate it's almost always a degree from the first school. As I said, if guys could transfer mid-season there'd be a HUGE market for it, and the NIL money would be thrown at tons of guys. Yet, it doesn't happen. You clearly aren't going to change your mind though, so we can let it go.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 22, 2023 11:32:37 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that happens with some frequency. Very few schools are going to award a bachelor's degree if a student has only been there one year. When guys transfer after their junior year, like Akok did, IF they graduate it's almost always a degree from the first school. I've never seen this specific scenario: a senior opts not to graduate, finds another school to take all his credits, and skips the two-semester residency requirement as a multi-time transfer. If Akok had simply transferred directly to WVU he could not have been a grad transfer, so an intermediate school would have had to taken his UConn and Georgetown credits, without taking a single course at that school and issued him an immediate bachelors degree; from there; he goes into the portal as a grad transfer and is then picked up by WVU. All in all, it's a very shady way to avoid staying at Georgetown.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 22, 2023 12:23:29 GMT -5
Can we just stop this argument. No one is coming to save the day. We will play the rest of the year with what we have now. To be honest I'd rather have Cooley work with Fielder the rest of the year and see if he can grow into the center role over the next three years than bring in some guy who we will forget ever played for us in 4-5 years. I'm tired of this revolving door of players and would like Fielder, Brumbaugh and Styles to be stars of our 2025-26 team. Styles won’t be a star on the 25-26 team. a I thought he was only a sophomore. Am I wrong or are you saying he's not that good or will leave before then?
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 22, 2023 12:38:03 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 22, 2023 16:54:17 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that happens with some frequency. Very few schools are going to award a bachelor's degree if a student has only been there one year. When guys transfer after their junior year, like Akok did, IF they graduate it's almost always a degree from the first school. I've never seen this specific scenario: a senior opts not to graduate, finds another school to take all his credits, and skips the two-semester residency requirement as a multi-time transfer. If Akok had simply transferred directly to WVU he could not have been a grad transfer, so an intermediate school would have had to taken his UConn and Georgetown credits, without taking a single course at that school and issued him an immediate bachelors degree; from there; he goes into the portal as a grad transfer and is then picked up by WVU. All in all, it's a very shady way to avoid staying at Georgetown. Why couldn't Akok have gotten the degree from Connecticut under your scenario?
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