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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 19, 2023 22:19:26 GMT -5
The problem is that Bacote was somewhat of a disaster while in there. Bacote had some bad bb iq that almost cost us the game. But seems to me that it’s more indicative that Cooley doesn’t have confidence right now in Heath and Brumbaugh (the press and ball control issues) that be would bench those to in favor of Bacote Didn't Heath get hurt? Brumbaugh did come in at the end of OT. And did pretty well.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 19, 2023 22:24:59 GMT -5
The problem is that Bacote was somewhat of a disaster while in there. Disagree. I think he helped settle things down and allowed Epps and Styles to find spots they could attack from. I understand what you are saying and agree that he does a decent job of doing that, but he's also the guy responsible for their 4 point possession at the end, because he fouled the dude unnecessarily, they failed to box out on a missed free throw, let him get it, then fouled him again as he made it. General or no, that took us from 71-70 to 75-70 late and we would have won it in regulation otherwise. Two just really poor plays, and the failed boxout is really awful.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 19, 2023 22:27:16 GMT -5
Bacote had some bad bb iq that almost cost us the game. But seems to me that it’s more indicative that Cooley doesn’t have confidence right now in Heath and Brumbaugh (the press and ball control issues) that be would bench those to in favor of Bacote Didn't Heath get hurt? Brumbaugh did come in at the end of OT. And did pretty well. Heath rolled an ankle early in the game but came back in pretty soon after that and looked fine and was playing up to the 6 min mark when Cooley went to Bacote. That sub seemed like a coaching choice not injury
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 19, 2023 22:29:54 GMT -5
Bacote had some bad bb iq that almost cost us the game. But seems to me that it’s more indicative that Cooley doesn’t have confidence right now in Heath and Brumbaugh (the press and ball control issues) that be would bench those to in favor of Bacote Brumbaugh did come in at the end of OT. And did pretty well. The press issues seemed to return when Braumbagh came back in. When Brumbaugh and Epps are both in the game, they both seem to fall apart against the press. But when It’s Bacote, Bristol and Epps then the press issues somehow disappear
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 19, 2023 22:31:49 GMT -5
Didn't Heath get hurt? Brumbaugh did come in at the end of OT. And did pretty well. Heath rolled an ankle early in the game but came back in pretty soon after that and looked fine and was playing up to the 6 min mark when Cooley went to Bacote. That sub seemed like a coaching choice not injury Cooley said today during the presser he tried letting Heath give it a go again after he rolled his ankle but they sat him because he looked like he was struggling with it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 19, 2023 22:32:23 GMT -5
Brumbaugh did come in at the end of OT. And did pretty well. The press issues seemed to return when Braumbagh came back in. When Brumbaugh and Epps are both in the game, they both seem to fall apart against the press. But when It’s Bacote, Bristol and Epps then the press issues somehow disappear The problem with that is that Bristol and Bacote went a long way to putting American in the double bonus, Bristol especially. You can't foul out in 25 minutes. Gotta clean that up -- American's entire offense down the stretch was FTs, and while a couple of calls were awful, we can't afford to be putting a team like American on the line.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 19, 2023 22:36:28 GMT -5
The press issues seemed to return when Braumbagh came back in. When Brumbaugh and Epps are both in the game, they both seem to fall apart against the press. But when It’s Bacote, Bristol and Epps then the press issues somehow disappear The problem with that is that Bristol and Bacote went a long way to putting American in the double bonus, Bristol especially. You can't foul out in 25 minutes. Gotta clean that up -- American's entire offense down the stretch was FTs, and while a couple of calls were awful, we can't afford to be putting a team like American on the line. Bristol plays hard D and goes for rebounds and blocks. I would rather have him play hard and use all five fouls. The calls on Bristol down the stretch were all questionable but also shows that he’s playing tight D whether it’s against the 3pter or in the paint. He’s not giving up anything easy. The role players need to do that if that want to be useful. It’s better that they pick up a foul than Epps/sStylz/cook (since drop off of having cook sit is so great)
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Post by bluegray79 on Nov 19, 2023 22:37:08 GMT -5
Man, there's no pleasing some people...
I would humbly suggest that the best way to evaluate and measure the progress of this season's team is by a) making note of what needs improving and b) seeing if those things improve in future games. The games that will count the most are the BE conference games, right? The OOC games, especially this year, are to give this group of players who have just started playing together time and experience to become a team in the truest sense and allow them to get the kinks out when the BE games start.
Stop evaluating them as you would a team that didn't lose most of its roster and isn't starting just about from scratch. Think instead of watching for incremental improvement, game to game, and the ways the players are gelling and really becoming a unified team. One game it's turnovers and rebounding, the next it's defense on the perimeter and ball movement. We are not going to improve everything all at once, so do yourself a favor and watch this team grow little by little, game to game.
It will be infuriating sometimes for sure, but just consider: we lost a game last week where we were up by double digits with 8 minutes to go, and we lost. Tonight we were down by double digits with 4 minutes to go, and we won. Didn't happen much that way the last couple of years, so I like the direction we're moving in. Tap the brakes on the panic and criticism, and enjoy watching a group of relative strangers become a team. Pretty great. Let's go!!!!
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 19, 2023 22:37:47 GMT -5
Didn't Heath get hurt? Brumbaugh did come in at the end of OT. And did pretty well. Heath rolled an ankle early in the game but came back in pretty soon after that and looked fine and was playing up to the 6 min mark when Cooley went to Bacote. That sub seemed like a coaching choice not injury Coach Cooley said it was injury related in the post-game presser
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 19, 2023 22:40:52 GMT -5
Heath rolled an ankle early in the game but came back in pretty soon after that and looked fine and was playing up to the 6 min mark when Cooley went to Bacote. That sub seemed like a coaching choice not injury Coach Cooley said it was injury related in the post-game presser Maybe but I’ve seen Heath Jack up 3s in critical situations that are Bricks. With Bacote he was smart enough to stay out of the way, not shoot but let Epps or Styles try to win it down the stretch.
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Post by bluechi on Nov 19, 2023 22:59:11 GMT -5
No coincidence that Cam "Terrell Allen" Bacote was a bit of a quiet catalyst to GU ending the game successfully. GU was +15 with him on the floor and he doesn't make mistakes. He also plays pretty good defense at the guard spot. Kudos to he and Bristol.
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Post by bluechi on Nov 19, 2023 23:01:19 GMT -5
Coach Cooley said it was injury related in the post-game presser Maybe but I’ve seen Heath Jack up 3s in critical situations that are Bricks. With Bacote he was smart enough to stay out of the way, not shoot but let Epps or Styles try to win it down the stretch. ...the last game or two he's "jacked" up threes where he hasn't been fully healthy (as Cooley stated). And then he rolled his ankle on top of that. before that he's shot decently from 3.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 19, 2023 23:04:46 GMT -5
No coincidence that Cam "Terrell Allen" Bacote was a bit of a quiet catalyst to GU ending the game successfully. GU at of a li between h +15 with him on the floor and he doesn't make mistakes. He also plays pretty good defense at the guard spot. Kudos to he and Bristol. My eyes tell me Cooley uses Bacote as somewhat of a coach on the floor. Lots of talk between the two, combined with Cam’s experience.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 19, 2023 23:18:03 GMT -5
Maybe but I’ve seen Heath Jack up 3s in critical situations that are Bricks. With Bacote he was smart enough to stay out of the way, not shoot but let Epps or Styles try to win it down the stretch. ...the last game or two he's "jacked" up threes where he hasn't been fully healthy (as Cooley stated). And then he rolled his ankle on top of that. before that he's shot decently from 3. In other words he wasn’t effective. So Cooley chose to bring in Bacote.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Nov 19, 2023 23:20:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it's driven by the memory of the recent staff, but I've been very impressed with how he comes across in press conferences. He comes across as a true teacher and his communication skills (I'm sure invaluable for a coach) shine through. He gave much more insight than would be expected on several answers, I think because he enjoys it. Moreover, there was no "we didn't execute the way I wanted" and instead he talked about what the team and coaches are working on. Any failure is a team failure, not a player failure. Even the Rutgers presser (which I know rubbed many the wrong way): I think we saw frustration of the loss combined with the frustration of conference attendees' missed opportunity for betterment.
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Post by bluegray79 on Nov 19, 2023 23:36:26 GMT -5
I want to add one thing to the ongoing evaluation of this game: we gutted out a win in fairly dramatic fashion. The game was ugly, we were outplayed for 33-34 minutes, and we still found a way to win. That's what good teams do. That's what tough teams do. That's what resilient teams do. Lots to find fault with, yes. Lots to improve on, yes. And still, we found a way to win. I'll take that any night, and I think what we learned tonight will help us win a couple (or more) close games this season.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 19, 2023 23:50:16 GMT -5
You can never please everyone! Great win!
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 20, 2023 0:48:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it's driven by the memory of the recent staff, but I've been very impressed with how he comes across in press conferences. He comes across as a true teacher and his communication skills (I'm sure invaluable for a coach) shine through. He gave much more insight than would be expected on several answers, I think because he enjoys it. Moreover, there was no "we didn't execute the way I wanted" and instead he talked about what the team and coaches are working on. Any failure is a team failure, not a player failure. Even the Rutgers presser (which I know rubbed many the wrong way): I think we saw frustration of the loss combined with the frustration of conference attendees' missed opportunity for betterment. Cooley is an unbelievable talker. And I mean this as a compliment. Good to have a coach that makes you want to run through a brick wall for him.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Nov 20, 2023 3:02:10 GMT -5
Ed Cooley was national coach of the year 2 years ago and people in our fan base are actually making statements that he can’t coach? Good lord people. I know Ewing has scarred us but can we not be ridiculous? Be upset that the coaching staff went into the season with an incomplete roster, not that it somehow forgot how to coach basketball in 18 months.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 20, 2023 3:58:35 GMT -5
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