Omega
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Post by Omega on Nov 20, 2023 18:09:41 GMT -5
What's killing me and maybe it's been said, is the lack of post play... These guys aren't even looking to feed the post. They just keep jacking up shots.. there were a couple of times when Supreme and Ryan were open and an ill advised contested shot was hoisted..
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 20, 2023 19:12:12 GMT -5
Wow, that was amazing. It was a game that we absolutely did not deserve to win, but somehow did, thanks primarily to Epps. That was some real balls to the wall shooting.
I would also say that for much of the game American looked like the much better coached team, but I am not writing that in criticism of Cooley (so don't give me a like, hoyaboya). American returned four starters and some other key players from last year's team, and we all know that is far from the case at GU. So what that tells me is that there is a great benefit to teams having players who have played together, a luxury we currently do not have, but hopefully will before long.
I also have to give more props to Styles. Besides everything else he seems to bring to the table, he's a really good rebounder for his size.
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Post by bluechi on Nov 20, 2023 22:21:34 GMT -5
...the last game or two he's "jacked" up threes where he hasn't been fully healthy (as Cooley stated). And then he rolled his ankle on top of that. before that he's shot decently from 3. In other words he wasn’t effective. So Cooley chose to bring in Bacote. Your words.
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Post by bluechi on Nov 20, 2023 22:23:43 GMT -5
What's killing me and maybe it's been said, is the lack of post play... These guys aren't even looking to feed the post. They just keep jacking up shots.. there were a couple of times when Supreme and Ryan were open and an ill advised contested shot was hoisted.. I know. SportsAstroGuy mentioned it last game that the guards don't seem to trust the Bigs or they're trying to get theirs
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Post by thedragon on Nov 20, 2023 22:37:22 GMT -5
What's killing me and maybe it's been said, is the lack of post play... These guys aren't even looking to feed the post. They just keep jacking up shots.. there were a couple of times when Supreme and Ryan were open and an ill advised contested shot was hoisted.. Not part of the game plan imo. Staff doesn't trust the back to basket game of Cook or Mutombo. There will be the occasional seal and dump down, but they will mostly be used as screeners and to crash the offensive glass.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 21, 2023 7:18:49 GMT -5
On Sunday, the 6-foot-6 wing from Kinston, N.C., was on the floor for all but one minute of Georgetown's 88-83 home overtime win over American. Styles posted 22 points and a career-high 11 rebounds. He shot 8-for-18 from the field, 1-for-6 beyond the arc, and 5-for-6 at the line. Under first-year Georgetown head coach Ed Cooley, he's averaged 17.0 points, 7.6 rebounds, and 1.2 assists in 33.6 minutes per game. He's shot 46.8 percent from the field, 40.0 percent from three on 5.0 attempts per contest, and 73.9 percent at the charity stripe. www.si.com/college/unc/basketball/unc-basketball-dontrez-styles-flourishing-hoyas-11-23
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Post by calhoya on Nov 21, 2023 7:40:14 GMT -5
I am a little surprised that no one has mentioned how close American came to winning the game after Epps tied it from the corner. Not something I imagine a team works on but the guard from American dribbled the length of the floor and came within a few tenths of a second from winning the game had the layup gone in.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 9:13:33 GMT -5
His defense is remarkably bad. It was last season as well so not sure why people were expecting something different. Assistant coach who came from Boo Williams decided to bring in Epps as “the guy”. Hmm.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 21, 2023 9:48:15 GMT -5
What's killing me and maybe it's been said, is the lack of post play... These guys aren't even looking to feed the post. Post play from who? Cook really doesn't have much ability there, and it doesn't seem like Mutombo does either (but we haven't seen much from him yet). Feeding the post when the most likely result is a missed shot or turnover isn't a good plan. Cook has actually stayed much more efficient than he seems he should be because he takes mostly high percentage shots near the rim. Let's keep it that way.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 10:07:57 GMT -5
What's killing me and maybe it's been said, is the lack of post play... These guys aren't even looking to feed the post. Post play from who? Cook really doesn't have much ability there, and it doesn't seem like Mutombo does either (but we haven't seen much from him yet). Feeding the post when the most likely result is a missed shot or turnover isn't a good plan. Cook has actually stayed much more efficient than he seems he should be because he takes mostly high percentage shots near the rim. Let's keep it that way. Cook like Wahab doesn’t pass. .6 assists a game the last 3 years. So ball will stop if it goes down to him.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 21, 2023 11:26:46 GMT -5
Post play from who? Cook really doesn't have much ability there, and it doesn't seem like Mutombo does either (but we haven't seen much from him yet). Feeding the post when the most likely result is a missed shot or turnover isn't a good plan. Cook has actually stayed much more efficient than he seems he should be because he takes mostly high percentage shots near the rim. Let's keep it that way. Cook like Wahab doesn’t pass. .6 assists a game the last 3 years. So ball will stop if it goes down to him. Correct. The ball sticks at Cook. And Ryan just isn't quick enough to be an effective D1 player. I'm afraid we're going to get ample proof of that as his minutes increase due to desperate necessity in BE play. Think of it this way - Pat was a lousy coach, but he does know and adores bigs, as was evidenced by the archaic offense he tried to run on the Hilltop. Add in the fact that Ryan is the son of one of his good friends, and don't you think Ryan would have gotten every opp to play over the last two abysmal seasons if he was even marginal, much less effective? If Pat didn't play him, he must be viscerally atrocious...which is what I believe we have witnessed in glimpses.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 21, 2023 12:16:32 GMT -5
Still believe there is a role for Ryan on this team. It's not as if Ewing plucked him from the trash heap. Although the performance has not been there, he was a 4* recruit and had offers from schools like Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Texas A&M, and Vanderbilt. Not saying he could ever be a starter, but I still believe having watched him for limited minutes over the years that he can provide a few effective minutes each half for other posts to rest. Finally, when looking at the options, I am certainly not sold on Cook. Strong player and a banger but undersized.He is a poor FT shooter and seems to have no range away from the basket. Fielder is too thin to play in the post and certainly not a quality defender at this point. Massoud, was not a starter last year and made his mark on offense. Overall, there are no posts on this team who are close to complete players and it seems to me that Cooley is going to have to spend the year mixing and matching players to fit the situation.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Nov 21, 2023 12:27:13 GMT -5
I'm with you - the staff has to find a way to use a 7 footer. Some of the games I have seen him play he does have a strong lower body. Well - one thing is for sure he has a good attitude.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 12:36:43 GMT -5
Cook like Wahab doesn’t pass. .6 assists a game the last 3 years. So ball will stop if it goes down to him. Correct. The ball sticks at Cook. And Ryan just isn't quick enough to be an effective D1 player. I'm afraid we're going to get ample proof of that as his minutes increase due to desperate necessity in BE play. Think of it this way - Pat was a lousy coach, but he does know and adores bigs, as was evidenced by the archaic offense he tried to run on the Hilltop. Add in the fact that Ryan is the son of one of his good friends, and don't you think Ryan would have gotten every opp to play over the last two abysmal seasons if he was even marginal, much less effective? If Pat didn't play him, he must be viscerally atrocious...which is what I believe we have witnessed in glimpses. Agree Coach Pat had ever reason to play a favorite and god son. But didn’t. And Cooley isn’t playing him either. So that ought to tell you something. I think Ryan’s ceiling given his limited athleticism and foot speed is the 7-0 big from Northwestern, Nicholson. Serviceable rotation player. But given the athletic limitations you have to put in alot do hard work to get to where Nicholson is.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 13:03:54 GMT -5
. Fielder is too thin to play in the post and certainly not a quality defender at this point. h. I’ve been saying that for months that fielder cannot play center in the big east this year. But some on here were saying he can be small ball center and run Clingan, Dixon, and Kalkbrenner off the court with his speed and 3 pt shot.
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Post by guru on Nov 21, 2023 14:44:38 GMT -5
Cook like Wahab doesn’t pass. .6 assists a game the last 3 years. So ball will stop if it goes down to him. Correct. The ball sticks at Cook. And Ryan just isn't quick enough to be an effective D1 player. I'm afraid we're going to get ample proof of that as his minutes increase due to desperate necessity in BE play. Think of it this way - Pat was a lousy coach, but he does know and adores bigs, as was evidenced by the archaic offense he tried to run on the Hilltop. Add in the fact that Ryan is the son of one of his good friends, and don't you think Ryan would have gotten every opp to play over the last two abysmal seasons if he was even marginal, much less effective? If Pat didn't play him, he must be viscerally atrocious...which is what I believe we have witnessed in glimpses. It’s completely unnecessary to drag down one of our players like this. To say nothing of the fact that it’s one of the players who has actually stuck it out through this awful stretch for the program.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 21, 2023 15:13:22 GMT -5
Correct. The ball sticks at Cook. And Ryan just isn't quick enough to be an effective D1 player. I'm afraid we're going to get ample proof of that as his minutes increase due to desperate necessity in BE play. Think of it this way - Pat was a lousy coach, but he does know and adores bigs, as was evidenced by the archaic offense he tried to run on the Hilltop. Add in the fact that Ryan is the son of one of his good friends, and don't you think Ryan would have gotten every opp to play over the last two abysmal seasons if he was even marginal, much less effective? If Pat didn't play him, he must be viscerally atrocious...which is what I believe we have witnessed in glimpses. It’s completely unnecessary to drag down one of our players like this. To say nothing of the fact that it’s one of the players who has actually stuck it out through this awful stretch for the program. I understand your point, but it’s nothing personal. It’s a bball discussion board. I think Ryan was overrated as a prospect coming out of HS. That’s all. Everything I’ve read about him suggests he’s a great young man. We can’t all be athletic stars. I used to be a scratch golfer, and now I’m an old hack. Sometimes reality is a drag.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Nov 21, 2023 15:22:49 GMT -5
It’s completely unnecessary to drag down one of our players like this. To say nothing of the fact that it’s one of the players who has actually stuck it out through this awful stretch for the program. I understand your point, but it’s nothing personal. It’s a bball discussion board. I think Ryan was overrated as a prospect coming out of HS. That’s all. Everything I’ve read about him suggests he’s a great young man. We can’t all be athletic stars. I used to be a scratch golfer, and now I’m an old hack. Sometimes reality is a drag. Somewhere between that backpedal & "viscerally atrocious" is the line, I'd probably guess.
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 21, 2023 15:48:53 GMT -5
As ProfHoya said above, two different coaches absolutely starving for any big have given him almost zero minutes. I don’t see how my words could be more damning than that indictment.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2023 17:14:23 GMT -5
As ProfHoya said above, two different coaches absolutely starving for any big have given him almost zero minutes. I don’t see how my words could be more damning than that indictment. The bigger concern with Fielder and Mutombo questionable center options this year is that we need to grab a big (grad senior, Sorbet?, etc) in the December-January portal if we want to be competitive come big east play.
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