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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 14:59:51 GMT -5
Is Bennett the rich man's JTIII? And people on here were mentioning him as just as elite as Pitino and Bill Self
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 15:03:40 GMT -5
March Madness online is questioning Tony Bennet's system since it is 5 years to the exact day of the loss as a#1 Seed to #16 UMBC I think it's fair to question a slowdown system like UVA's. It allows the opponent to be in every game, regardless of talent level. NIL and Transfer Portal rule changes hurt his system disproportionately because it relies on 3-4 year training on intricacies of the Pack Line. Also his late game management was horrible. Do they even practice those situations? Probably not as they are too busy drilling Pack Line.
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Post by cas92 on Mar 16, 2023 15:03:52 GMT -5
Ryan Odom and Utah State up on Dennis Gates and Mizzou in the second half. Generous praise from Candace Parker, Jay Wright, and Seth Davis on Gates's 1st season in CoMo. Parker made note that the Tigers subscribed wholeheartedly to the defensive strategy to starve the Aggies from the 3 point line for both halves and didn't falter in their fidelity (i.e. complete buy-in from Gates's players), willing to concede the 2 (which Wright added took a toll on Utah State over the duration of the game, accustomed to and heavily reliant on a 3 point offensive scheme)
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 16, 2023 15:03:56 GMT -5
Is Bennett the rich man's JTIII? And people on here were mentioning him as just as elite as Pitino and Bill Self Do you think Bennett should be paid more or less than Ed Cooley?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 15:07:10 GMT -5
Is Bennett the rich man's JTIII? Well Tony did get to where he is because of his dad, Dick Bennett
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 16, 2023 15:07:27 GMT -5
III was a great coach (it was time to move on though), and so is Tony Bennett. I’d kill to get that type of regular season success back at Gtown. And Bennett won a national title so I think that cancels out his upset losses lol.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 15:10:22 GMT -5
And people on here were mentioning him as just as elite as Pitino and Bill Self Do you think Bennett should be paid more or less than Ed Cooley? Bennett shouldn’t be getting 7 million like some people on here were saying this week. Not elite
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 16, 2023 15:11:54 GMT -5
Do you think Bennett should be paid more or less than Ed Cooley? Bennett shouldn’t be getting 7 million like some people on here were saying this week. Not elite He’s not getting $7M, is he? Who do you think should get paid more - Bennett or Cooley?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 15:17:19 GMT -5
Bennett shouldn’t be getting 7 million like some people on here were saying this week. Not elite He’s not getting $7M, is he? Who do you think should get paid more - Bennett or Cooley? No people on here were saying they would spend 7 mil on Bennett. If Pitino guaranteed he would come here I would pay him $7-$9 million. I think Pitino is going to reset the market for experienced coaches when UK, Texas, Michigan or unc enter the market. So $5, $7 mil May be a bargain. Bennett has a boring style that may be obsolete under the new Nil, portal rules. Cooley has never made elite 8. So both aren’t that great, although in terms of fit for Georgetown, Cooley is more valuable here than Bennett
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 16, 2023 15:18:23 GMT -5
Tony Bennett is 'not that great'?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 16, 2023 16:02:56 GMT -5
Tony Bennett is 'not that great'? HoyaTalk is truly a special place.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2023 17:04:13 GMT -5
Wow. I feel like I am back in 2010 (still a HoyaTalk lurker), 2011 or 2013 after our upsets. People have hugely unrealistic expectations and assessments of coaches. I am not sure why I have to say this again, but the NCAA tournament is a single game elimination and there are upsets all the time. This isn't new, it's not novel or unique, and there certainly is not a big enough sample size for most (if not any) coaches to make grand conclusions based on their NCAA success.
First, Tony Bennett won a championship just five years ago. Would we trade our last 5 years for: Championship, NCAA bid if no COVID, 4 seed (but lose in Round 1), no tournament, 4 seed lose in round 1? Of course. Winning a championship is so hard and makes such a difference to a program that I would pretty much take that under any circumstances.
Second, I agree that there is SOME merit to the idea that slower, plodding styles can favor underdogs. Mostly because it limits the number of possessions, therefore increasing volatility. Add on the importance of three point shooting, and you can easily see where an upset can happen. But, I think this can be taken to an extreme, too. Villanova has always employed a slower more deliberate style and they had no problem under Jay Wright.
Third, I simply don't buy that Tony Bennett's style cannot succeed. I know the ACC has had down years, but even over the last 4 seasons (excluding the championship year), they've gone 55-22, for a winning percentage of 71.4%. Bennett clearly wins a huge amount in the regular season. There's no logical reason why the tournament is so different.
Lastly, he's gotten his team to the NCAA tournament 9/10 years (if you assume they would have made in in 2020). How many other coaches can say that? That's an amazing run, plus it includes a championship and a Sweet 16.
If this isn't good enough for you, I think your expectations are very warped.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2023 17:21:55 GMT -5
Princeton with a huge upset over Arizona...
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 16, 2023 17:23:24 GMT -5
Always love more 15 over 2 upsets. Add em to the list.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 16, 2023 17:25:45 GMT -5
And it opens up the path to the Sweet Sixteen for Dennis Gates, which should make things spicy around here.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 16, 2023 17:31:14 GMT -5
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Post by bulletinman1 on Mar 16, 2023 17:34:55 GMT -5
Wow. I feel like I am back in 2010 (still a HoyaTalk lurker), 2011 or 2013 after our upsets. People have hugely unrealistic expectations and assessments of coaches. I am not sure why I have to say this again, but the NCAA tournament is a single game elimination and there are upsets all the time. This isn't new, it's not novel or unique, and there certainly is not a big enough sample size for most (if not any) coaches to make grand conclusions based on their NCAA success. First, Tony Bennett won a championship just five years ago. Would we trade our last 5 years for: Championship, NCAA bid if no COVID, 4 seed (but lose in Round 1), no tournament, 4 seed lose in round 1? Of course. Winning a championship is so hard and makes such a difference to a program that I would pretty much take that under any circumstances. Second, I agree that there is SOME merit to the idea that slower, plodding styles can favor underdogs. Mostly because it limits the number of possessions, therefore increasing volatility. Add on the importance of three point shooting, and you can easily see where an upset can happen. But, I think this can be taken to an extreme, too. Villanova has always employed a slower more deliberate style and they had no problem under Jay Wright. Third, I simply don't buy that Tony Bennett's style cannot succeed. I know the ACC has had down years, but even over the last 4 seasons (excluding the championship year), they've gone 55-22, for a winning percentage of 71.4%. Bennett clearly wins a huge amount in the regular season. There's no logical reason why the tournament is so different. Lastly, he's gotten his team to the NCAA tournament 9/10 years (if you assume they would have made in in 2020). How many other coaches can say that? That's an amazing run, plus it includes a championship and a Sweet 16. If this isn't good enough for you, I think your expectations are very warped.
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Post by bulletinman1 on Mar 16, 2023 17:35:09 GMT -5
Wow. I feel like I am back in 2010 (still a HoyaTalk lurker), 2011 or 2013 after our upsets. People have hugely unrealistic expectations and assessments of coaches. I am not sure why I have to say this again, but the NCAA tournament is a single game elimination and there are upsets all the time. This isn't new, it's not novel or unique, and there certainly is not a big enough sample size for most (if not any) coaches to make grand conclusions based on their NCAA success. First, Tony Bennett won a championship just five years ago. Would we trade our last 5 years for: Championship, NCAA bid if no COVID, 4 seed (but lose in Round 1), no tournament, 4 seed lose in round 1? Of course. Winning a championship is so hard and makes such a difference to a program that I would pretty much take that under any circumstances. Second, I agree that there is SOME merit to the idea that slower, plodding styles can favor underdogs. Mostly because it limits the number of possessions, therefore increasing volatility. Add on the importance of three point shooting, and you can easily see where an upset can happen. But, I think this can be taken to an extreme, too. Villanova has always employed a slower more deliberate style and they had no problem under Jay Wright. Third, I simply don't buy that Tony Bennett's style cannot succeed. I know the ACC has had down years, but even over the last 4 seasons (excluding the championship year), they've gone 55-22, for a winning percentage of 71.4%. Bennett clearly wins a huge amount in the regular season. There's no logical reason why the tournament is so different. Lastly, he's gotten his team to the NCAA tournament 9/10 years (if you assume they would have made in in 2020). How many other coaches can say that? That's an amazing run, plus it includes a championship and a Sweet 16. If this isn't good enough for you, I think your expectations are very warped.
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Post by bulletinman1 on Mar 16, 2023 17:38:02 GMT -5
[br Good post. Bennett is also a guy not attached to some type of scandal, like Pitino, wherever he's gone. Why Georgetown is looking at a 70 year old guy that has his baggage is beyond me. Look elsewhere, go younger and build for the future.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2023 18:17:44 GMT -5
[br Good post. Bennett is also a guy not attached to some type of scandal, like Pitino, wherever he's gone. Why Georgetown is looking at a 70 year old guy that has his baggage is beyond me. Look elsewhere, go younger and build for the future. Georgetown isn’t looking at Pitino. That’s why people are displeased.
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