rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 16, 2023 10:18:35 GMT -5
No not nearly as much press. Honestly Shaka kinda ditched it at Texas too. He tried it the first year there and it just didnt work. You'll see it from time to time but it's not a core part of their strategy. Marquette is where they are because of their offense more than their defense. There was a good article on the athletic about how Shaka realized he needed to change his strategy there and the game has to be fun for the players vs. a defense only focus. Good example of a coach not resting on his laurels and striving to get better. Bracket sets up well for them That’s what I thought regarding the full court press. Is the full court press obsolete now in college basketball? Is the skill level with the guards and forwards too high now like in the NBA where the full court press doesn’t work? For years on here people said all we have to do is full court press on defense. This year we tried it early but gave up after it didn’t work. If Shaka abandoned the full court press it leads me to believe that it no longer works in college basketball as a primary defensive scheme. Yea I think generally teams are just better prepared for it and you dont really see it all game. Someone like St John's was probably the closest to what you'll see as someone who actively presses, and you also saw how it generally worked out for them For the record i've never advocated for a press, but yes have seen others suggest it. Even when we sometimes would get a steal, its what you give up immediately on the other end and we generally would get destroyed. Teams are also much more willing to shoot an open 3 after they break the press today.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 10:24:41 GMT -5
That’s what I thought regarding the full court press. Is the full court press obsolete now in college basketball? Is the skill level with the guards and forwards too high now like in the NBA where the full court press doesn’t work? For years on here people said all we have to do is full court press on defense. This year we tried it early but gave up after it didn’t work. If Shaka abandoned the full court press it leads me to believe that it no longer works in college basketball as a primary defensive scheme. Yea I think generally teams are just better prepared for it and you dont really see it all game. Someone like St John's was probably the closest to what you'll see as someone who actively presses, and you also saw how it generally worked out for them For the record i've never advocated for a press, but yes have seen others suggest it. Even when we sometimes would get a steal, its what you give up immediately on the other end and we generally would get destroyed. Teams are also much more willing to shoot an open 3 after they break the press today. So this begs the question, does Pitino still use the press at Iona? Cause that was a big part of his scheme even at Louisville, Kentucky and even tried it with the Knicks And if the full court press is obsolete at the power 6 conference level then does this compromise Pitino?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 16, 2023 10:30:23 GMT -5
That’s what I thought regarding the full court press. Is the full court press obsolete now in college basketball? Is the skill level with the guards and forwards too high now like in the NBA where the full court press doesn’t work? For years on here people said all we have to do is full court press on defense. This year we tried it early but gave up after it didn’t work. If Shaka abandoned the full court press it leads me to believe that it no longer works in college basketball as a primary defensive scheme. Yea I think generally teams are just better prepared for it and you dont really see it all game. Someone like St John's was probably the closest to what you'll see as someone who actively presses, and you also saw how it generally worked out for them For the record i've never advocated for a press, but yes have seen others suggest it. Even when we sometimes would get a steal, its what you give up immediately on the other end and we generally would get destroyed. Teams are also much more willing to shoot an open 3 after they break the press today. All a very interesting question. I think the biggest issue is that fours and fives now are able to handle the ball competently with much more consistently. So, in the past, maybe you got the ball out of a ballhandler's grip and that led to a turnover, whereas now it just leads to an odd-numbered break. And you're absolutely right that breaking the pressure leads to a disorganized defense (or someone protecting the hoop from a layup) and too often to a wide-open three (whereas previously if there wasn't a layup opportunity, the offense regrouped, and that was a win for the defense). For sure, it can still be used to great effect as a way to speed-up a slow-playing team. (Think Syracuse vs. Virginia in the NCAAT a few years ago.) Where I think it absolutely can still be a weapon is if used unpredictably -- or if different types of pressure are used. I've long been a proponent of having a passive/containment 1-2-2 press as a primary tool in the shot-clock era so you can defend in the half-court for a shorter period of time. And then if every so often you aggressively trap out of the 1-2-2 (or deny the inbound and then trap), that can be a weapon.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 10:42:57 GMT -5
What time is it? It’s time to Dance. Let’s go Pitino, Cooley, Shrewsbury! (Not you, Mike Bray, go sit down) Let’s Go!
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 16, 2023 13:26:41 GMT -5
Jeez just finished making some of my brackets and wow did anyone notice how bad the Pac 12 is in the two key sports? I mean they have 4 teams sure but one is an 11 and another is a 10 so if the ACC wasn't a total mess this year or a committee member picks a different for the first four then it is very possible they get just 2 or 3 teams in. It really feels like they are a sinking ship as a conference with USC and UCLA (2/4 of their teams that made it this year) about to walk, compared to the Big 12 especially in basketball, who immediately got on the horse to get the some of the best non p6 schools that are good in either sport, high potential, major metro area, or all of the above. Seems almost inevitable that they will be gutted even more, left to plug holes, or just limp on as the Pac 10.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 16, 2023 13:40:02 GMT -5
Maryland-West Virginia and UVA-Furman both going down to the wire - great games!
Kenny Blakeney and Howard tied with Kansas late in the first half.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 16, 2023 13:51:11 GMT -5
UVA upset in the first again.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 16, 2023 13:51:20 GMT -5
Ok...who had Furman taking out UVa?
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 16, 2023 13:52:52 GMT -5
Tony Bennett for GU coach
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 16, 2023 13:54:11 GMT -5
Virginia the last 5 postseasons
2018: lost to 16 seed 2019: champions 2021: lose to 13 seed 2022: DNQ 2023: lose to 13 seed
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Post by This Just In on Mar 16, 2023 14:05:26 GMT -5
Virginia the last 5 postseasons 2018: lost to 16 seed 2019: champions 2021: lose to 13 seed 2022: DNQ 2023: lose to 13 seed March Madness online is questioning Tony Bennet's system since it is 5 years to the exact day of the loss as a#1 Seed to #16 UMBC
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 16, 2023 14:10:43 GMT -5
Virginia the last 5 postseasons 2018: lost to 16 seed 2019: champions 2021: lose to 13 seed 2022: DNQ 2023: lose to 13 seed March Madness online is questioning Tony Bennet's system since it is 5 years to the exact day of the loss as a#1 Seed to #16 UMBC I think it's fair to question a slowdown system like UVA's. It allows the opponent to be in every game, regardless of talent level.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 16, 2023 14:13:13 GMT -5
Ryan Odom and Utah State up on Dennis Gates and Mizzou in the second half.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 16, 2023 14:19:05 GMT -5
Don Carey starts and wins his first NCAAT game!! Congrats!
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Post by This Just In on Mar 16, 2023 14:20:57 GMT -5
Final 4 Picks and Champion
This Just In Alabama vs Marquette
Houston vs UCLA
Champion: Marquette over UCLA
Danny
Arizona vs Duke
Texas vs Gonzaga
Champion: Arizona over Texas
Dick Vitale
Alabama vs Duke
Texas vs Gonzaga
Champion: Alabama over Texas
Jay Bilas
Arizona vs Duke
Texas vs Connecticut
Champion: Connecticut over Duke
Seth Greenberg
Alabama vs Duke
Texas vs Connecticut
Champion: Alabama over Texas
LaPhonso Ellis
Alabama vs Duke
Texas vs Connecticut
Champion: Connecticut over Alabama
Reece Davis
Alabama vs Duke
Texas vs Connecticut
Champion: Alabama over Connecticut
Andy Katz
Arizona vs Purdue
Indiana vs UCLA
Champion: Purdue over UCLA
Joe Lunardi
Alabama vs Duke
Houston vs Gonzaga
Champion: Houston over Alabama
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Post by guru on Mar 16, 2023 14:28:32 GMT -5
March Madness online is questioning Tony Bennet's system since it is 5 years to the exact day of the loss as a#1 Seed to #16 UMBC I think it's fair to question a slowdown system like UVA's. It allows the opponent to be in every game, regardless of talent level. Sounds familiar (shudders)
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Post by cas92 on Mar 16, 2023 14:46:55 GMT -5
Ryan Odom and Utah State up on Dennis Gates and Mizzou in the second half. Mizzou's defense held Utah State to 4-21 from 3 (the Aggies the 5th best 3 point shooting team nationally this season). Done, dusted.
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Post by cas92 on Mar 16, 2023 14:50:58 GMT -5
Ryan Odom and Utah State up on Dennis Gates and Mizzou in the second half. Mizzou's defense held Utah State to 4-21 from 3 (the Aggies the 5th best 3 point shooting team nationally this season). Done, dusted. * Correction: 4-24 (16.7 %).
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Post by coach98 on Mar 16, 2023 14:52:53 GMT -5
Is Bennett the rich man's JTIII?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2023 14:58:00 GMT -5
UVA upset in the first again. And people wanted to spend $7 million on first round choke midrange worst shot in basketball Tony Bennett
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