|
|
Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2023 23:10:20 GMT -5
I guess technically we still have a chance. (Though I don’t see it happening as the 2021 team was playing really well going into the tournament and didn’t look lost)
Question: Purdue looked dominant all year through January.
Now they’ve lost a bunch of games in February and look a little vulnerable. IU seems to have them figured out.
They no longer seem a lock for the Final Four. And seem susceptible to getting upset even if Zack Edey has a good game.
Can they win five, six games in a row in the tourney?
Thoughts?
|
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Mar 11, 2023 9:13:29 GMT -5
Purdue looked vulnerable to Rutgers
Indiana rolls Maryland. Carey had a decent game but airball three in crunch time that ended any comeback.
Penn State looked great against Northwestern. They both looked good actually.
vandy upsets Kentucky
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Mar 12, 2023 6:55:31 GMT -5
Purdue looked vulnerable to Rutgers Indiana rolls Maryland. Carey had a decent game but airball three in crunch time that ended any comeback. Penn State looked great against Northwestern. They both looked good actually. vandy upsets Kentucky What are your predictions for the #1 Seeds? Do you see Marquette getting a #1 Seed? |
|
hoyajmw
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,031
|
Post by hoyajmw on Mar 12, 2023 9:24:55 GMT -5
I’m feeling bad for Wayne Bristol Jr this morning. He transfers from Howard in time to jump on our trainwreck and go 2-39 in conference games while getting limited run (and having to sit all 21-22 as one of the last hostages to the old transfer rules), and now Howard is going dancing. #DC’s team….Go Bison!
|
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2023 14:02:21 GMT -5
I’m feeling bad for Wayne Bristol Jr this morning. He transfers from Howard in time to jump on our trainwreck and go 2-39 in conference games while getting limited run (and having to sit all 21-22 as one of the last hostages to the old transfer rules), and now Howard is going dancing. #DC’s team….Go Bison! It’s tough. Tulane got destroyed by Memphis and the coach played his 5 starters 34.5 minutes plus and yet still would only play Colin Holloway 4 minutes in the game. |
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Mar 12, 2023 17:26:33 GMT -5
No providence in the first 3 regions...
UConn vs Iona will be interesting too
|
|
the_way
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
The Illest
Posts: 5,419 
|
Post by the_way on Mar 12, 2023 17:32:37 GMT -5
Two of Hoyatalk's favorite coaches: Hurley vs Pitino.  Could be another flame out for Hurley this year. |
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Mar 12, 2023 17:34:23 GMT -5
Providence against UK, they could get a W there. Second round against KSU isn't the worst either.
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,260
|
Post by hoyaboya on Mar 12, 2023 17:38:34 GMT -5
Congrats to Ed Cooley for making the NCAAs as an 11-seed! We need to move heaven and earth to bring this guy to Georgetown!
|
|
Nevada Hoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 18,420
|
Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 12, 2023 18:26:22 GMT -5
Provy vs UK, interesting in that Pitino coached both teams.
|
|
|
|
Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 12, 2023 19:33:07 GMT -5
Love that everyone loves UConn. The only BE team I always root against. First Iona and then hopefully against my second favorite team.
|
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Mar 13, 2023 10:56:50 GMT -5
|
|
CTHoya08
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Bring back Izzo!
Posts: 2,853
|
Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 13, 2023 11:23:11 GMT -5
I will be so happy if Iona beats them. Even if Pitino ends up going to SJU next year. Imagine being Hurley, excited about the prospects of your team making a deep run or at least finally getting the monkey off your back, and you draw Rick Pitino in the first round.
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,260
|
Post by hoyaboya on Mar 13, 2023 12:12:39 GMT -5
With last night's announcement of an 11 seed for Providence, the following are Ed Cooley's seeds in the NCAA Tournament:
2014: 11 seed
2015: 6 seed
2016: 9 seed
2017: 11 seed
2018: 10 seed
2022: 4 seed
2023: 11 seed
This isn't exactly Bill Self, but rumors are out there that he's expecting Georgetown to pay him like Bill Self. We might end up in a worse contract situtation than the Ewing extension. I wonder why? The same rocket scientists that signed off on the Ewing extension are the ones making this coaching decision. Brilliant!
|
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Mar 13, 2023 12:22:28 GMT -5
With last night's announcement of an 11 seed for Providence, the following are Ed Cooley's seeds in the NCAA Tournament: 2014: 11 seed 2015: 6 seed 2016: 9 seed 2017: 11 seed 2018: 10 seed 2022: 4 seed 2023: 11 seed This isn't exactly Bill Self, but rumors are out there that he's expecting Georgetown to pay him like Bill Self. We might end up in a worse contract situtation than the Ewing extension. I wonder why? The same rocket scientists that signed off on the Ewing extension are the ones making this coaching decision. Brilliant! Lifetime contract with Frodo possibly on the side. A contract we will never be able to get out of for someone who has never advanced past the sweet sixteen. They are smart and we are dumb to fall for this. |
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2023 12:25:36 GMT -5
With last night's announcement of an 11 seed for Providence, the following are Ed Cooley's seeds in the NCAA Tournament: 2014: 11 seed 2015: 6 seed 2016: 9 seed 2017: 11 seed 2018: 10 seed 2022: 4 seed 2023: 11 seed This isn't exactly Bill Self, but rumors are out there that he's expecting Georgetown to pay him like Bill Self . We might end up in a worse contract situtation than the Ewing extension. I wonder why? The same rocket scientists that signed off on the Ewing extension are the ones making this coaching decision. Brilliant! We will not end up in a worse situation than the Ewing extension. Ewing is going to get millions for not even coaching because DeGioia gave him a sweetheart extension when it wasn't warranted. If Cooley gets a big contract, I'm confident he'll coach every year he is contracted, barring any major change in his success level. Under the Jack DeGioia/Georgetown perspective, if Cooley got us to 7 NCAA seeds (and it would have been 8 if not for COVID) in 9-10 seasons, that would be more than enough for them to be very pleased with the situation. Keep in mind that since 2014, Georgetown's seeding has been: 2014: Missed tournament. 2015: 4 seed, lose second round. 2016: Missed tournament. 2017: Missed tournament. 2018: Missed tournament. 2019: Missed tournament. 2020: Missed tournament.. 2021: 12 seed after miracle BET win (not at large). 2022: Missed tournament. 2023: Missed tournament. Cooley's record would be a massive improvement on the last decade, even if his heights aren't what you'd like to see. And while I doubt Jack DeGioia would be President for the next 10 years, even if he stays for a while longer, he'd be very pleased by the seeding you describe above. I still want Pitino, though, who has a very high ceiling and would be virtually guaranteed to get us to the NCAA tournament every year he coaches (except maybe the first rebuild year). |
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Mar 13, 2023 12:28:08 GMT -5
With last night's announcement of an 11 seed for Providence, the following are Ed Cooley's seeds in the NCAA Tournament: 2014: 11 seed 2015: 6 seed 2016: 9 seed 2017: 11 seed 2018: 10 seed 2022: 4 seed 2023: 11 seed This isn't exactly Bill Self, but rumors are out there that he's expecting Georgetown to pay him like Bill Self . We might end up in a worse contract situtation than the Ewing extension. I wonder why? The same rocket scientists that signed off on the Ewing extension are the ones making this coaching decision. Brilliant! We will not end up in a worse situation than the Ewing extension. Ewing is going to get millions for not even coaching because DeGioia gave him a sweetheart extension when it wasn't warranted. If Cooley gets a big contract, I'm confident he'll coach every year he is contracted, barring any major change in his success level. Under the Jack DeGioia/Georgetown perspective, if Cooley got us to 7 NCAA seeds (and it would have been 8 if not for COVID) in 9-10 seasons, that would be more than enough for them to be very pleased with the situation. Keep in mind that since 2014, Georgetown's seeding has been: 2014: Missed tournament. 2015: 4 seed, lose second round. 2016: Missed tournament. 2017: Missed tournament. 2018: Missed tournament. 2019: Missed tournament. 2020: Missed tournament.. 2021: 12 seed after miracle BET win (not at large). 2022: Missed tournament. 2023: Missed tournament. Cooley's record would be a massive improvement on the last decade, even if his heights aren't what you'd like to see. And while I doubt Jack DeGioia would be President for the next 10 years, even if he stays for a while longer, he'd be very pleased by the seeding you describe above. I still want Pitino, though, who has a very high ceiling and would be virtually guaranteed to get us to the NCAA tournament every year he coaches (except maybe the first rebuild year). It will be worse because you would have to give Cooley a lifetime contract to top the lifetime contract he has with Providence. |
|
CTHoya08
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Bring back Izzo!
Posts: 2,853
|
Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 13, 2023 12:37:25 GMT -5
With last night's announcement of an 11 seed for Providence, the following are Ed Cooley's seeds in the NCAA Tournament: 2014: 11 seed 2015: 6 seed 2016: 9 seed 2017: 11 seed 2018: 10 seed 2022: 4 seed 2023: 11 seed This isn't exactly Bill Self, but rumors are out there that he's expecting Georgetown to pay him like Bill Self. We might end up in a worse contract situtation than the Ewing extension. I wonder why? The same rocket scientists that signed off on the Ewing extension are the ones making this coaching decision. Brilliant! Now do Providence's seeds for the decade before he got there. |
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,260
|
Post by hoyaboya on Mar 13, 2023 12:44:01 GMT -5
With last night's announcement of an 11 seed for Providence, the following are Ed Cooley's seeds in the NCAA Tournament: 2014: 11 seed 2015: 6 seed 2016: 9 seed 2017: 11 seed 2018: 10 seed 2022: 4 seed 2023: 11 seed This isn't exactly Bill Self, but rumors are out there that he's expecting Georgetown to pay him like Bill Self. We might end up in a worse contract situtation than the Ewing extension. I wonder why? The same rocket scientists that signed off on the Ewing extension are the ones making this coaching decision. Brilliant! Now do Providence's seeds for the decade before he got there. No doubt he improved Providence and no doubt he'll improve Georgetown - it's impossible not to do so. But you don't pay a contract for Bill Self results when you get Ed Cooley results. Cooley should be thrilled that he's conned Providence into paying him almost $4M/year. To leave, we'd have to pay him at least $1M/year more, wouldn't you think? Plus there might be a buyout to pay as well. Before Kansas brought him in, Bill Self in 3 years at Illinois had gotten two 4 seeds and a 1 seed. He had gotten Tulsa (yes I said that correctly, TULSA) a 7 seed and a 9 seed. We are going to end up paying a guy a very bad contract because he's the most comfortable choice for proven poor decision makers. And if that's the case, I'm not going to financially support the institution anymore. They throw money away just to keep the old way of doing things intact. It's crony capitalism and breach of fiduciary duty. |
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2023 12:49:38 GMT -5
Now do Providence's seeds for the decade before he got there. No doubt he improved Providence and no doubt he'll improve Georgetown - it's impossible not to do so. But you don't pay a contract for Bill Self results when you get Ed Cooley results. Cooley should be thrilled that he's conned Providence into paying him almost $4M/year. To leave, we'd have to pay him at least $1M/year more, wouldn't you think? Plus there might be a buyout to pay as well. Before Kansas brought him in, Bill Self in 3 years at Illinois had gotten two 4 seeds and a 1 seed. He had gotten Tulsa (yes I said that correctly, TULSA) a 7 seed and a 9 seed. We are going to end up paying a guy a very bad contract because he's the most comfortable choice for proven poor decision makers. And if that's the case, I'm not going to financially support the institution anymore. They throw money away just to keep the old way of doing things intact. It's crony capitalism and breach of fiduciary duty. Providence was horrible before Cooley, and now they routinely contend in the NCAA tournament. By all accounts, he's also a good guy, good representative of Providence College, he's great with students/alumni, and he has brought Providence to a level they had not been at for decades. So, in that context, I absolutely think Providence paying Cooley $4 million a year is logical and rational. I don't think it's a "con" because Cooley gave them something they otherwise did not have--and substantially better than what preceded him. Now, I agree that spending all that money on Cooley when a clear better option exists in Pitino, who has no buyout, makes no sense whatsoever. In that sense, I think this "search" process is a joke, and I think DeGioia is doing the university a disservice. If Pitino were out of the picture (staying at Iona, or somewhere else already), I think spending the money on Cooley could be more defensible. As you said, Cooley will make us better, and not just because anybody can. He has a solid track record of getting teams to the NCAA tournament, and frankly, there aren't many coaches out there who do that on a yearly basis who are available. So, in that context, I get giving Cooley a big contract. But, in choosing Cooley over Pitino, will Georgetown spend a LOT more money? Probably, and that doesn't make sense in a rational world. But Jack DeGioia and the administration don't live in that rational world. |
|
