Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Dec 3, 2022 18:25:10 GMT -5
You can’t review that. If you can then then they should call the foul pushing Akok under the basket on the rebound. NCAA Rules:
1. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature (unwarranted or too much) and/or unnecessary (avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play), but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to: a) Causing excessive or unnecessary contact with an opponent; b) Contact with an opponent that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player;
I think if they see that on the floor in the middle of the game, they would have called it a common foul. They missed it. It was the end of regulation; so they called it a flagrant to make it reviewable. By the letter of the rule, it's legit, but I still think it stinks. That was pretty much my point. If that’s called in the course of play it’s a common foul 10 out of 10 times. The ref just missed the call. They miss calls all the time but I’ve never seen them make one into a flagrant just so they could make up the call. That’s not the spirit of a review.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2022 18:40:25 GMT -5
NCAA Rules:
1. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature (unwarranted or too much) and/or unnecessary (avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play), but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to: a) Causing excessive or unnecessary contact with an opponent; b) Contact with an opponent that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player;
I think if they see that on the floor in the middle of the game, they would have called it a common foul. They missed it. It was the end of regulation; so they called it a flagrant to make it reviewable. By the letter of the rule, it's legit, but I still think it stinks. That was pretty much my point. If that’s called in the course of play it’s a common foul 10 out of 10 times. The ref just missed the call. They miss calls all the time but I’ve never seen them make one into a flagrant just so they could make up the call. That’s not the spirit of a review. All true. However, what kind of undisciplined player (senior no less) does that? Look at our lineup. Everyone a cast off from somewhere else. Ever wonder why? None of them were contributors to winning programs and all of them thought playing for Ewing was their best option. Is it any wonder we lose and lose and lose, today in ridiculous fashion. Proven non-winner coaches with non-winning players equals more losses.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 3, 2022 18:40:40 GMT -5
I screamed repeatedly at the TV while watching a sporting event earlier today. Mental errors and a lack of scoring led to an unsatisfactory result.
Then I watched the Hoyas play the Gamecocks. Almost fell asleep.
Sad times.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 3, 2022 18:46:03 GMT -5
That was pretty much my point. If that’s called in the course of play it’s a common foul 10 out of 10 times. The ref just missed the call. They miss calls all the time but I’ve never seen them make one into a flagrant just so they could make up the call. That’s not the spirit of a review. All true. However, what kind of undisciplined player (senior no less) does that? Look at our lineup. Everyone a cast off from somewhere else. Ever wonder why? None of them were contributors to winning programs and all of them thought playing for Ewing was their best option. Is it any wonder we lose and lose and lose, today in ridiculous fashion. Proven non-winner coaches with non-winning players equals more losses. Maybe he thought he would only get a yellow.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2022 19:38:48 GMT -5
I said to the guy sitting behind me that this was a frustrating but entertaining bad game. Come watch-the-car-wreck type of game. Lots of bad basketball and coaching lapses. He agreed.
(Also, don't know who is responsible for the ads at Cap One but it continued to show during the game on one of the screens "Next Home Game, Georgetown v. South Carolina, 12:00, December 3rd" - incompetence on display)
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 3, 2022 19:42:12 GMT -5
The four numbers which lost this game: 41, 41, 42, 43. These are the minutes played by four starters. Georgetown continues to wilt late in games because the starters are physically and emotionally spent. Jay Heath grabs at that jersey because he is beat on the play and is tired. If these four are tired in December, how will they be by February? South Carolina is among the three worst teams on this schedule--they will not win seven games this season. But they got this one. I just read this to my wife, and she claims that I said the same thing during the game. So it must be right. To further nail down this point, in person you can see the fatigue on the guards faces especially. The last 3pt shot Heath took was way off. I don't know how Ewing can not see that this starter dominant rotation isn't working. If it isn't working against the worse of your schedule what do you expect to happen when the guards are playing through 40mins of Quette or StJs?
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 3, 2022 19:52:35 GMT -5
That was pretty much my point. If that’s called in the course of play it’s a common foul 10 out of 10 times. The ref just missed the call. They miss calls all the time but I’ve never seen them make one into a flagrant just so they could make up the call. That’s not the spirit of a review. All true. However, what kind of undisciplined player (senior no less) does that? Look at our lineup. Everyone a cast off from somewhere else. Ever wonder why? None of them were contributors to winning programs and all of them thought playing for Ewing was their best option. Is it any wonder we lose and lose and lose, today in ridiculous fashion. Proven non-winner coaches with non-winning players equals more losses. A extremely fatigued player that played 43 of 45 mins🤷🏾♂️
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Post by vv83 on Dec 3, 2022 19:56:44 GMT -5
The moment an opponent shows the least bit of fight, we fold instantly. It has been this way, to some extent, throughout Ewings tenure, but particularlythe last two seasons. And this season is the worst of all. Because we have a little bit of talent this year, we have been able to compete in every game. the only game we were behind at halftime (Texas tech) we fought back to within 1 point in the final stretch of the game.
But when the opponent shows a little fight - we crumble.
Take the second half today - we held Jackson scoreless in the first half. He was playing tentatively, and also missed a few open jumpers. First possession of the second half - we get a stop, but Jackson gets the offensive board and puts it back for a score. I knew immediately we were in trouble - it would take just one quick, effort based basket from Jackson to get him going, and for us to crumble. Jackson regained his confidence, started playing assertively, and scored 22 second half points. we instantly panicked and reverted to playground offensive basketball. What little bit of ball movement we were getting in the first half largely disappeared, and it was all iso drives and pull up jumpers for the rest of the game. Our strong rebounding from the first half disappeared when SC got aggressive, and they dominated the boards in the second half by pushing us around. the coaches response to getting pushed around - play small and keep the one big man that had an impact in the first half (Ezewiro) on the bench for the entire second half.
Ewing is in so far over his head - it is actually comical. Playing all the starters way too many minutes so they have nothing in the tank to finish a game. Zero minutes for Ezewiro in the second half, who had to have the best +/- on the team in the first half and was clearly making an impact on the game. Players repeatedly playing hero ball possession after possession, game after game - with no consequences. no benching, not even getting pulled for a few minutes to send a message.
Maybe ewing and his staff try to teach these guys the right way to play. But we have many years of evidence that they either know nothing about designing sound schemes on either side of the ball; or they are complete failures at teaching what they do know to the players. Probably some of both, which is almost always the case is these kind of complete failure situations.
the end of this season will be "can't look away from the train wreck" fascinating. If Ewing stays on - the media astonishment and complete fan abandonment of the program will be spectacular. If Ewing leaves, and they keep Ronnie and replace ewing with a Thompson family crony - the media (outside of Hilltop and maybe couple of others who have a personal interest in the program beyond their professional interest) won't even notice, but fans will still be furious - maybe even more furious than if Ewing returns. And if somehow Ewing leaves, Ronnie and his crew get booted, and they hire a real coach with no Thompson ties - the sense of joy from the minute fan base that still exists will be akin to a prisoner being released from a long, grueling confinement.
I have a very hard time seeing anything but a few more years of Ewing embarrassing himself and the University on the sidelines -no way he walks away from a penny of his contract, no matter how many games he loses. By the time his contract is up, we will be so far beyond "DePaul territory" that there may well be no hope of recovery. We are going to be able to recruit only high school kids with no other major conference options, and transfers who can only guarantee themselves major conference playing time by coming to the worst major conference program in the country. We can look forward to a few more years of 80%+ roster turnover every year. We are in the darkest of days, and there is no light in sight for years to come unless somehow the dire nature of the circumstance finally gets through to DeGioia/the board and they makes a clean sweep of program leadership.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 3, 2022 19:59:31 GMT -5
Out of all of Ewing's negatives as a coach, to me the worse is lack of substitutions. Did Big John coach like this when he was on the Hilltop? I was young so I really didn't pay attention to substitution patterns. I know 3 seemed to play 7-8 players decent minutes. You would think when Ewing found out Dante was leaving he would force minutes on Anglin to attempt to develop a backup PG.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2022 20:02:58 GMT -5
Out of all of Ewing's negatives as a coach, to me the worse is lack of substitutions. Did Big John coach like this when he was on the Hilltop? I was young so I really didn't pay attention to substitution patterns. I know 3 seemed to play 7-8 players decent minutes. You would think when Ewing found out Dante was leaving he would force minutes on Anglin to attempt to develop a backup PG. No, Pops used to run players in and out because of his full court pressing and aggressive defense. Much more depth.
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 3, 2022 22:29:41 GMT -5
I said to the guy sitting behind me that this was a frustrating but entertaining bad game. Come watch-the-car-wreck type of game. Lots of bad basketball and coaching lapses. He agreed. (Also, don't know who is responsible for the ads at Cap One but it continued to show during the game on one of the screens "Next Home Game, Georgetown v. South Carolina, 12:00, December 3rd" - incompetence on display) Yes, incompetence. God help us.
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 3, 2022 22:40:02 GMT -5
This program continues to be an unrelenting tire fire and no one with the power to put it out will do anything. It’s just gross negligence at this point. Yep. Clearly, nobody on the Hilltop really cares. Sad and shameful.
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 3, 2022 22:40:13 GMT -5
Out of all of Ewing's negatives as a coach, to me the worse is lack of substitutions. Did Big John coach like this when he was on the Hilltop? I was young so I really didn't pay attention to substitution patterns. I know 3 seemed to play 7-8 players decent minutes. You would think when Ewing found out Dante was leaving he would force minutes on Anglin to attempt to develop a backup PG. No, Pops used to run players in and out because of his full court pressing and aggressive defense. Much more depth. Do we know why Dante Left?
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 3, 2022 22:42:20 GMT -5
This program continues to be an unrelenting tire fire and no one with the power to put it out will do anything. It’s just gross negligence at this point. Yep. Clearly, nobody on the Hilltop really cares. Sad and shameful. I realize this sounds silly - but if there is no change by early March, I will send off another letter to the president and chairman of the board - much stronger. And maybe it will be in February. This is a nightmare.
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 3, 2022 22:43:47 GMT -5
The four numbers which lost this game: 41, 41, 42, 43. These are the minutes played by four starters. Georgetown continues to wilt late in games because the starters are physically and emotionally spent. Jay Heath grabs at that jersey because he is beat on the play and is tired. If these four are tired in December, how will they be by February? South Carolina is among the three worst teams on this schedule--they will not win seven games this season. But they got this one. GW was up on SC 60-33 at one point.
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 3, 2022 22:48:52 GMT -5
I thought this would be the year to get Revenge against DePaul. Now I am wondering if we will go 0-2 against DePaul again this year? Maybe 0-3.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2022 5:06:06 GMT -5
I really need to stop watching these games. The aggravation level is off the charts, and I blame Ewing, not the players. His failure to make substitutions is incompetence on the most basic level.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 4, 2022 6:38:36 GMT -5
No, Pops used to run players in and out because of his full court pressing and aggressive. Much more depth. Do we know why Dante Left? I have no more information than has already been suggested by others.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 4, 2022 8:35:25 GMT -5
Yep. Clearly, nobody on the Hilltop really cares. Sad and shameful. I realize this sounds silly - but if there is no change by early March, I will send off another letter to the president and chairman of the board - much stronger. And maybe it will be in February. This is a nightmare. My new strategy is to flood the University and Athletic Dept’s social media posts (Twitter, Instagram, etc) with comments on the program even in non-related posts. If you look several others have been doing at as well. Maybe it hits a critical mass where it’s just too embarrassing / overwhelming.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2022 9:02:05 GMT -5
I realize this sounds silly - but if there is no change by early March, I will send off another letter to the president and chairman of the board - much stronger. And maybe it will be in February. This is a nightmare. My new strategy is to flood the University and Athletic Dept’s social media posts (Twitter, Instagram, etc) with comments on the program even in non-related posts. If you look several others have been doing at as well. Maybe it hits a critical mass where it’s just too embarrassing / overwhelming. Bravo!!
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