DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 3, 2022 14:52:03 GMT -5
The four numbers which lost this game: 41, 41, 42, 43. These are the minutes played by four starters.
Georgetown continues to wilt late in games because the starters are physically and emotionally spent. Jay Heath grabs at that jersey because he is beat on the play and is tired. If these four are tired in December, how will they be by February?
South Carolina is among the three worst teams on this schedule--they will not win seven games this season. But they got this one.
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Post by hoyatransfer on Dec 3, 2022 14:52:23 GMT -5
This program continues to be an unrelenting tire fire and no one with the power to put it out will do anything. It’s just gross negligence at this point.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2022 14:54:59 GMT -5
That Syracuse win last year is looking like an all-time outlier. And, Syracuse wasn’t any good.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 3, 2022 14:55:23 GMT -5
The scariest thing of all? We are now facing 4-7 or 5-6, against what was supposed to be a soft OOC schedule to fool folks into believing we were better. As bad as last year was, we actually we 6-5 in the OOC schedule, with much harder competition and had a few convincing wins. This year? Our 4 wins are Coppin St (OT), GB, LaSalle (nearly blew a 20 pt lead), and UMBC. We only have had 2 "easy" wins. Last year we had a handful of them at this point.
I would have thought there was no way possible this could possibly be a worse pre Big East start given the easy schedule they lined up. And somehow we've managed to be worse than that really low bar of expecting 7, maybe 8 wins against this schedule before seeing if we are for real come conference play.
And yet there is no question the talent is better. It's almost unfathomable that better players, against weaker opponents would do worse. But here we are. Must be the losses of Orr and Kirby!
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HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 3, 2022 14:55:26 GMT -5
At least when Georgetown Hospital was hemorrhaging money, President DeGioia had the sense to shift the responsibility to someone else. It is time to do the same thing with this basketball program. Clear house and completely change the management structure. What an albatross we are in currently…. hard to believe.
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1427hoya
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Post by 1427hoya on Dec 3, 2022 14:55:46 GMT -5
The Hoyas lost to a team that was better than them who happens to be in the SEC, NOT one of the better SEC teams. But the Hoyas did well to keep it close against a team who was better than them who is also from a big conference. Just to clear that up. Georgetown was a 5.5 favorite. We’ll agree to disagree on how good they are. In my book it’s an awful loss when you led all game. And I can’t restate it enough - they are coming of a 24 point loss to GW. Don't tell me the odds. Yes, they are coming off a 24 point loss to GW - but Georgetown is coming off an 0-20 BE season. I don't think people fully and truly appreciate how bad the Hoyas are. Yes, 99% of this board is negative but the reality is that the Hoyas are even worse than this board realizes. This is a historically bad team. We can debate if Patrick Ewing is the worst coach any of us have ever seen, but he is without a doubt the worst coach to ever keep his job at any place that has ever been serious program (especially several years into a job) There is no team from any of the conferences that get at-large bids that Georgetown should beat. Anytime they do, it is a significant upset. Think about this: I think it is very possible Georgetown doesn't win another game this season. Ewing isn't getting fired. Might as well celebrate close losses to any team from a big conference where the Hoyas are able to stay in it. That's about as good as it is going to get.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 3, 2022 14:56:25 GMT -5
The four numbers which lost this game: 41, 41, 42, 43. These are the minutes played by four starters. Georgetown continues to wilt late in games because the starters are physically and emotionally spent. Jay Heath grabs at that jersey because he is beat on the play and is tired. If these four are tired in December, how will they be by February? South Carolina is among the three worst teams on this schedule--they will not win seven games this season. But they got this one. A combined 30 seconds of playing time for Anglin, Riley, Mutumbo and Bass...way to build these players, create confidence and ultimately make them want to stay within the program. I realize this isn't 5th grade basketball and everyone doesn't gets equal minutes but Ewing is so mind numbingly blind to the positives both in game, for this season and beyond this season getting these kids even 5 minutes each a game and the value...that it blows my mind.
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 3, 2022 14:59:08 GMT -5
Good game for the Hoyas. They kept it close against a better SEC Team. I agree in part. Not a good game for the Hoyas but they are better than us. Nearly every team is.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Dec 3, 2022 14:59:34 GMT -5
It's hard to describe the sense of deja vu at the beginning of the 2nd half today. It's a horribly coached team in terms of who to play and when. Players with obvious talent are not coming close to showing that talent. I believe that Akok has become afraid to shoot anything other than an uncontested 3 and passes up many better looks. The outside shooting is very poor and based upon prior season stats for these kids it should not be. Defensive rebounding is very poor. Better ball movement today and some improved defense, but the use of the bench is a joke as players are gassed at the end of the game and then....Wahab. What can you say as the player who actually had many holes in his game two years ago seems to be getting worse. And yet there he is in crunch time, not getting rebounds, short-arming shots and still putting the ball on the floor instead of going up strong around the basket. The players are undisciplined when the game gets tight and nothing appears to be heading in a positive direction. I know that nothing will change. The coach is apparently blinded by his ego and unwavering self-confidence, the players are looking down and depressed and the Administration is either unwilling or unable to take the steps necessary to salvage anything from this program.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2022 14:59:54 GMT -5
The scariest thing of all? We are now facing 4-7 or 5-6, against what was supposed to be a soft OOC schedule to fool folks into believing we were better. As bad as last year was, we actually we 6-5 in the OOC schedule, with much harder competition and had a few convincing wins. This year? Our 4 wins are Coppin St (OT), GB, LaSalle (nearly blew a 20 pt lead), and UMBC. We only have had 2 "easy" wins. Last year we had a handful of them at this point. I would have thought there was no way possible this could possibly be a worse pre Big East start given the easy schedule they lined up. And somehow we've managed to be worse than that really low bar of expecting 7, maybe 8 wins against this schedule before seeing if we are for real come conference play. And yet there is no question the talent is better. It's almost unfathomable that better players, against weaker opponents would do worse. But here we are. Must be the losses of Orr and Kirby! The Hoyas are 10-30 in their last 40 games and 8 of those wins are against teams that were KenPom 215 or higher. The only better wins are Syracuse (69) and Longwood (145). It’s hard to be this bad.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2022 15:11:12 GMT -5
Monty, my thoughts exactly!
This too shall pass... the question is when?
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 3, 2022 15:15:39 GMT -5
It's hard to describe the sense of deja vu at the beginning of the 2nd half today. It's a horribly coached team in terms of who to play and when. Players with obvious talent are not coming close to showing that talent. I believe that Akok has become afraid to shoot anything other than an uncontested 3 and passes up many better looks. The outside shooting is very poor and based upon prior season stats for these kids it should not be. Defensive rebounding is very poor. Better ball movement today and some improved defense, but the use of the bench is a joke as players are gassed at the end of the game and then....Wahab. What can you say as the player who actually had many holes in his game two years ago seems to be getting worse. And yet there he is in crunch time, not getting rebounds, short-arming shots and still putting the ball on the floor instead of going up strong around the basket. The players are undisciplined when the game gets tight and nothing appears to be heading in a positive direction. I know that nothing will change. The coach is apparently blinded by his ego and unwavering self-confidence, the players are looking down and depressed and the Administration is either unwilling or unable to take the steps necessary to salvage anything from this program. That sums things up pretty well.
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 3, 2022 15:17:39 GMT -5
The scariest thing of all? We are now facing 4-7 or 5-6, against what was supposed to be a soft OOC schedule to fool folks into believing we were better. As bad as last year was, we actually we 6-5 in the OOC schedule, with much harder competition and had a few convincing wins. This year? Our 4 wins are Coppin St (OT), GB, LaSalle (nearly blew a 20 pt lead), and UMBC. We only have had 2 "easy" wins. Last year we had a handful of them at this point. I would have thought there was no way possible this could possibly be a worse pre Big East start given the easy schedule they lined up. And somehow we've managed to be worse than that really low bar of expecting 7, maybe 8 wins against this schedule before seeing if we are for real come conference play. And yet there is no question the talent is better. It's almost unfathomable that better players, against weaker opponents would do worse. But here we are. Must be the losses of Orr and Kirby! The Hoyas are 10-30 in their last 40 games and 8 of those wins are against teams that were KenPom 215 or higher. The only better wins are Syracuse (69) and Longwood (145). It’s hard to be this bad. Yeah....when Longwood is a signature win from the past two seasons, you are in a very bad way.
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hoya1984
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Post by hoya1984 on Dec 3, 2022 15:22:23 GMT -5
Wahab has been terrible. Can not defend, rebound or may any basket. Butterfingers.
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 3, 2022 15:26:33 GMT -5
Georgetown was a 5.5 favorite. We’ll agree to disagree on how good they are. In my book it’s an awful loss when you led all game. And I can’t restate it enough - they are coming of a 24 point loss to GW. Don't tell me the odds. Yes, they are coming off a 24 point loss to GW - but Georgetown is coming off an 0-20 BE season. I don't think people fully and truly appreciate how bad the Hoyas are. Yes, 99% of this board is negative but the reality is that the Hoyas are even worse than this board realizes. This is a historically bad team. We can debate if Patrick Ewing is the worst coach any of us have ever seen, but he is without a doubt the worst coach to ever keep his job at any place that has ever been serious program (especially several years into a job) There is no team from any of the conferences that get at-large bids that Georgetown should beat. Anytime they do, it is a significant upset. Think about this: I think it is very possible Georgetown doesn't win another game this season. Ewing isn't getting fired. Might as well celebrate close losses to any team from a big conference where the Hoyas are able to stay in it. That's about as good as it is going to get. Your post gets my vote for the most depressing of the year. I hope, along with most here, that you are wrong.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2022 15:45:17 GMT -5
Wahab has been terrible. Can not defend, rebound or may any basket. Butterfingers. And Ewing ate a bucket of crap to take him back… Pathetic state of affairs…
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 3, 2022 15:46:21 GMT -5
Wahab has been terrible. Can not defend, rebound or may any basket. Butterfingers. And Ewing ate a bucket of crap to take him back… Pathetic state of affairs… Or make foul shots! How do you lose that skill?
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Dec 3, 2022 16:43:26 GMT -5
The four numbers which lost this game: 41, 41, 42, 43. These are the minutes played by four starters. Georgetown continues to wilt late in games because the starters are physically and emotionally spent. Jay Heath grabs at that jersey because he is beat on the play and is tired. If these four are tired in December, how will they be by February? South Carolina is among the three worst teams on this schedule--they will not win seven games this season. But they got this one. I just read this to my wife, and she claims that I said the same thing during the game. So it must be right.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Dec 3, 2022 16:58:20 GMT -5
You can’t review that. If you can then then they should call the foul pushing Akok under the basket on the rebound. NCAA Rules:
1. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature (unwarranted or too much) and/or unnecessary (avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play), but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to: a) Causing excessive or unnecessary contact with an opponent; b) Contact with an opponent that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player;
I think if they see that on the floor in the middle of the game, they would have called it a common foul. They missed it. It was the end of regulation; so they called it a flagrant to make it reviewable. By the letter of the rule, it's legit, but I still think it stinks.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2022 17:05:49 GMT -5
You can’t review that. If you can then then they should call the foul pushing Akok under the basket on the rebound. NCAA Rules:
1. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature (unwarranted or too much) and/or unnecessary (avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play), but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to: a) Causing excessive or unnecessary contact with an opponent; b) Contact with an opponent that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player;
I think if they see that on the floor in the middle of the game, they would have called it a common foul. They missed it. It was the end of regulation; so they called it a flagrant to make it reviewable. By the letter of the rule, it's legit, but I still think it stinks. In the spirit of the World Cup, that shirt-pulling earns you a red card if the player was in the process of scoring and a penalty if inside the box.
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