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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 13, 2022 8:04:11 GMT -5
All of our defenders need to retreat more aggressively. Even that "charge" that Mozone took really was not a charge- he was not set at all. They gave it to him because the offensive player lowered his shoulder, which is an awful call. If the defender is not set, the offensive player 100% can have his shoulder lower and his eyes closed. The defender still has to beat him to the spot AND get his feet set.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 13, 2022 9:37:14 GMT -5
Ok the defensive thread is buzzing. Lets check in on what we're seeing, avert your eyes. Will break this down between what the numbers tell us and then I'll sprinkle in observations of what I'm seeing from painfully watching all the games StatisticallyShot Type Table - data courtesy of hoop-math.comShot Type | Opponents | Hoyas | At Rim | 37.5% | 33.6% | 2 pt Jump shot | 19% | 35.7% | 3 pt Jump shot | 43.5% | 30.7% |
Rebounding / Turnovers (barttorvik.com)Defensive Turnover %: 19.4% (150th in country) Opp Off Rebounding %: 34% (323rd in country - For the shot type table, I included the Hoyas as a reference but the real focus is on the opponents. That's just an awful distribution. Teams either get shots at the rim or shots from 3 against us. This would be exactly what a thoughtful opponent would want to do against us. These are the valuable shots opponents want and our defense lets them take them
- The only way to survive this would be to limit the number of overall shots opponents take. Our turnover rate is middling (despite pressing for the beginning of the season which of course has slowed down).
- The defensive rebounding number (opponents get an O-rebound 34% of time they miss) is abysmal, and it only gets worse when you look at the high major teams we played. Northwestern: 45%, Texas Tech: 43%, South Carolina: 41%, Syracuse: 37%
Bottom line: Teams take really valuable shots against us, either at the rim or from 3, and even if they miss they get their own rebound so much that it doesn't matter they'll score eventually.Schematically: these are my observations, more debatable but what I'm seeing- Pick and Roll Coverage: Honestly, we've been all over the place? In the beginning of the season we saw them try to play drop coverage with Q, the guards aren't fighting over screens enough and Q doesn't do a great job of playing both guys. We'll see teams run a ton of empty side ball screens against us. When it's not Q, we've seen them either let Akok switch them or Ezewiro hard hedge. The hard hedge did ok against Tech, but the video of Ezewiro lollygagging back to the hoop against Cuse is getting the appropriate amount of shade it deserves.
- Switching Screens: This team is definitely switching more perimeter screens. Pros and cons here. When working I think it has helped limit some of the off ball screen breakdowns the team has suffered with in past. But the whole point of switching is to help avoid paint touches, and even on switches our defenders are getting beat off the dribble. And when Q is off the floor the switching has definitely contributed to the rebounding issues. If Akok is away from the rim, we're getting abused on glass.
- Overhelping: The Siena broadcast crew was all over this, but offball defenders just completely lack discipline. We get sucked in so easily. Our bigs chase blocked shots so much that any jump stop and hesitation leaves an open pass. When players drive baseline, we help off the other corner and leave the corner 3 open? I watch a ton of hoops and we're the only team I see give up that pass
- Doubling the post: This one drives me bananas. Last year we would dig down one pass away, which was equally frustrating as it was a simple kick out to nearest shooter. This year, we're sending the double from the opposite corner. It just doesnt work. The big isn't forcing the post player to the baseline so it's not serving as a trap. It's super easy to pass it out and now we're in rotation scramble mode. I know Primo got beat up on a Nationwide Nolan video for being slow on a closeout to the corner. But the scheme is ridiculous, basically run over to the post, and before you even get there you're running back exactly where you were. Why play a center in today's game if you need to double the post defensively? When we're playing Sanogo, fine. Jackson Stormo? GTFO
TL; DR: We're 266th in defense and it's been a third of the season. It's unacceptable
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 13, 2022 9:47:17 GMT -5
Ok the defensive thread is buzzing. Lets check in on what we're seeing, avert your eyes. Will break this down between what the numbers tell us and then I'll sprinkle in observations of what I'm seeing from painfully watching all the games StatisticallyShot Type Table - data courtesy of hoop-math.comShot Type | Opponents | Hoyas | At Rim | 37.5% | 33.6% | 2 pt Jump shot | 19% | 35.7% | 3 pt Jump shot | 43.5% | 30.7% |
Rebounding / Turnovers (barttorvik.com)Defensive Turnover %: 19.4% (150th in country) Opp Off Rebounding %: 34% (323rd in country - For the shot type table, I included the Hoyas as a reference but the real focus is on the opponents. That's just an awful distribution. Teams either get shots at the rim or shots from 3 against us. This would be exactly what a thoughtful opponent would want to do against us. These are the valuable shots opponents want and our defense lets them take them
- The only way to survive this would be to limit the number of overall shots opponents take. Our turnover rate is middling (despite pressing for the beginning of the season which of course has slowed down).
- The defensive rebounding number (opponents get an O-rebound 34% of time they miss) is abysmal, and it only gets worse when you look at the high major teams we played. Northwestern: 45%, Texas Tech: 43%, South Carolina: 41%, Syracuse: 37%
Bottom line: Teams take really valuable shots against us, either at the rim or from 3, and even if they miss they get their own rebound so much that it doesn't matter they'll score eventually.Schematically: these are my observations, more debatable but what I'm seeing- Pick and Roll Coverage: Honestly, we've been all over the place? In the beginning of the season we saw them try to play drop coverage with Q, the guards aren't fighting over screens enough and Q doesn't do a great job of playing both guys. We'll see teams run a ton of empty side ball screens against us. When it's not Q, we've seen them either let Akok switch them or Ezewiro hard hedge. The hard hedge did ok against Tech, but the video of Ezewiro lollygagging back to the hoop against Cuse is getting the appropriate amount of shade it deserves.
- Switching Screens: This team is definitely switching more perimeter screens. Pros and cons here. When working I think it has helped limit some of the off ball screen breakdowns the team has suffered with in past. But the whole point of switching is to help avoid paint touches, and even on switches our defenders are getting beat off the dribble. And when Q is off the floor the switching has definitely contributed to the rebounding issues. If Akok is away from the rim, we're getting abused on glass.
- Overhelping: The Siena broadcast crew was all over this, but offball defenders just completely lack discipline. We get sucked in so easily. Our bigs chase blocked shots so much that any jump stop and hesitation leaves an open pass. When players drive baseline, we help off the other corner and leave the corner 3 open? I watch a ton of hoops and we're the only team I see give up that pass
- Doubling the post: This one drives me bananas. Last year we would dig down one pass away, which was equally frustrating as it was a simple kick out to nearest shooter. This year, we're sending the double from the opposite corner. It just doesnt work. The big isn't forcing the post player to the baseline so it's not serving as a trap. It's super easy to pass it out and now we're in rotation scramble mode. I know Primo got beat up on a Nationwide Nolan video for being slow on a closeout to the corner. But the scheme is ridiculous, basically run over to the post, and before you even get there you're running back exactly where you were. Why play a center in today's game if you need to double the post defensively? When we're playing Sanogo, fine. Jackson Stormo? GTFO
TL; DR: We're 266th in defense and it's been a third of the season. It's unacceptable
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - you’re one of maybe like 4 posters left here that is worth reading what you write when it comes to actual basketball. God bless you for still being here and contributing.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 13, 2022 10:19:55 GMT -5
appreciate the kind words. I used to write recaps of each game but I really can't stomach that at this point. If there's a particular topic you or other posters would like to focus on, feel free to send out the bat signal and I'll do my best.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 13, 2022 11:26:20 GMT -5
appreciate the kind words. I used to write recaps of each game but I really can't stomach that at this point. If there's a particular topic you or other posters would like to focus on, feel free to send out the bat signal and I'll do my best. Are you interested in coaching a D1 team? I hear/hope there may be an opening soon!
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 13, 2022 11:34:32 GMT -5
Ok the defensive thread is buzzing. Lets check in on what we're seeing, avert your eyes. Will break this down between what the numbers tell us and then I'll sprinkle in observations of what I'm seeing from painfully watching all the games StatisticallyShot Type Table - data courtesy of hoop-math.comShot Type | Opponents | Hoyas | At Rim | 37.5% | 33.6% | 2 pt Jump shot | 19% | 35.7% | 3 pt Jump shot | 43.5% | 30.7% |
Rebounding / Turnovers (barttorvik.com)Defensive Turnover %: 19.4% (150th in country) Opp Off Rebounding %: 34% (323rd in country - For the shot type table, I included the Hoyas as a reference but the real focus is on the opponents. That's just an awful distribution. Teams either get shots at the rim or shots from 3 against us. This would be exactly what a thoughtful opponent would want to do against us. These are the valuable shots opponents want and our defense lets them take them
- The only way to survive this would be to limit the number of overall shots opponents take. Our turnover rate is middling (despite pressing for the beginning of the season which of course has slowed down).
- The defensive rebounding number (opponents get an O-rebound 34% of time they miss) is abysmal, and it only gets worse when you look at the high major teams we played. Northwestern: 45%, Texas Tech: 43%, South Carolina: 41%, Syracuse: 37%
Bottom line: Teams take really valuable shots against us, either at the rim or from 3, and even if they miss they get their own rebound so much that it doesn't matter they'll score eventually.Schematically: these are my observations, more debatable but what I'm seeing- Pick and Roll Coverage: Honestly, we've been all over the place? In the beginning of the season we saw them try to play drop coverage with Q, the guards aren't fighting over screens enough and Q doesn't do a great job of playing both guys. We'll see teams run a ton of empty side ball screens against us. When it's not Q, we've seen them either let Akok switch them or Ezewiro hard hedge. The hard hedge did ok against Tech, but the video of Ezewiro lollygagging back to the hoop against Cuse is getting the appropriate amount of shade it deserves.
- Switching Screens: This team is definitely switching more perimeter screens. Pros and cons here. When working I think it has helped limit some of the off ball screen breakdowns the team has suffered with in past. But the whole point of switching is to help avoid paint touches, and even on switches our defenders are getting beat off the dribble. And when Q is off the floor the switching has definitely contributed to the rebounding issues. If Akok is away from the rim, we're getting abused on glass.
- Overhelping: The Siena broadcast crew was all over this, but offball defenders just completely lack discipline. We get sucked in so easily. Our bigs chase blocked shots so much that any jump stop and hesitation leaves an open pass. When players drive baseline, we help off the other corner and leave the corner 3 open? I watch a ton of hoops and we're the only team I see give up that pass
- Doubling the post: This one drives me bananas. Last year we would dig down one pass away, which was equally frustrating as it was a simple kick out to nearest shooter. This year, we're sending the double from the opposite corner. It just doesnt work. The big isn't forcing the post player to the baseline so it's not serving as a trap. It's super easy to pass it out and now we're in rotation scramble mode. I know Primo got beat up on a Nationwide Nolan video for being slow on a closeout to the corner. But the scheme is ridiculous, basically run over to the post, and before you even get there you're running back exactly where you were. Why play a center in today's game if you need to double the post defensively? When we're playing Sanogo, fine. Jackson Stormo? GTFO
TL; DR: We're 266th in defense and it's been a third of the season. It's unacceptable
Fantastic stuff…..your post, I mean. Clearly our defense is not fantastic stuff! Thanks for taking the time to post things like this……much appreciated.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 13, 2022 12:13:47 GMT -5
appreciate the kind words. I used to write recaps of each game but I really can't stomach that at this point. If there's a particular topic you or other posters would like to focus on, feel free to send out the bat signal and I'll do my best. I know you did. I’d usually sift through all the noise to get to your recap. You and RockawayHoya. Not sure if he’s still writing them or if he’s basically thrown in the towel too. Don’t blame you for not writing them anymore. I basically stopped watching the games and reading the game threads. Until the decision is made to gut the program and rebuild from scratch, it’s hardly worth it for you or I or anyone really to devote any time to this flaming trash barge. I’d rather spend the time with my kids.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 13, 2022 12:31:12 GMT -5
[li]Doubling the post: This one drives me bananas. Last year we would dig down one pass away, which was equally frustrating as it was a simple kick out to nearest shooter. This year, we're sending the double from the opposite corner. It just doesnt work. The big isn't forcing the post player to the baseline so it's not serving as a trap. It's super easy to pass it out and now we're in rotation scramble mode. I know Primo got beat up on a Nationwide Nolan video for being slow on a closeout to the corner. But the scheme is ridiculous, basically run over to the post, and before you even get there you're running back exactly where you were. Why play a center in today's game if you need to double the post defensively? When we're playing Sanogo, fine. Jackson Stormo? GTFO [/li][/ul]
[/quote] I agree wholeheartedly with all of the comments about the quality of your posts. I highlighted one point from your post above because, despite my knowing one-billionth of what you do about actual basketball strategy, I also noticed that we are doing that at times this year. Nearly every time we do it it results in a 3 attempt more wide open than usual. So we employ a completely unnecessary defensive tactic that simply exacerbates what we are already worst at.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Dec 13, 2022 12:35:22 GMT -5
My question is - is there any film study and if so what is pointed out. Some of our defensive stances at times are very questionable. How do we give up layups while we are in a zone. I would play 1-3-1 zone with Akok on the back line to disrupt anyone coming into or around the paint.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2022 14:55:02 GMT -5
Ok the defensive thread is buzzing. Lets check in on what we're seeing, avert your eyes. Will break this down between what the numbers tell us and then I'll sprinkle in observations of what I'm seeing from painfully watching all the games StatisticallyShot Type Table - data courtesy of hoop-math.comc Rebounding / Turnovers (barttorvik.com)Defensive Turnover %: 19.4% (150th in country) Opp Off Rebounding %: 34% (323rd in country - For the shot type table, I included the Hoyas as a reference but the real focus is on the opponents. That's just an awful distribution. Teams either get shots at the rim or shots from 3 against us. This would be exactly what a thoughtful opponent would want to do against us. These are the valuable shots opponents want and our defense lets them take them
- The only way to survive this would be to limit the number of overall shots opponents take. Our turnover rate is middling (despite pressing for the beginning of the season which of course has slowed down).
- The defensive rebounding number (opponents get an O-rebound 34% of time they miss) is abysmal, and it only gets worse when you look at the high major teams we played. Northwestern: 45%, Texas Tech: 43%, South Carolina: 41%, Syracuse: 37%
Bottom line: Teams take really valuable shots against us, either at the rim or from 3, and even if they miss they get their own rebound so much that it doesn't matter they'll score eventually.Schematically: these are my observations, more debatable but what I'm seeing- Pick and Roll Coverage: Honestly, we've been all over the place? In the beginning of the season we saw them try to play drop coverage with Q, the guards aren't fighting over screens enough and Q doesn't do a great job of playing both guys. We'll see teams run a ton of empty side ball screens against us. When it's not Q, we've seen them either let Akok switch them or Ezewiro hard hedge. The hard hedge did ok against Tech, but the video of Ezewiro lollygagging back to the hoop against Cuse is getting the appropriate amount of shade it deserves.
- Switching Screens: This team is definitely switching more perimeter screens. Pros and cons here. When working I think it has helped limit some of the off ball screen breakdowns the team has suffered with in past. But the whole point of switching is to help avoid paint touches, and even on switches our defenders are getting beat off the dribble. And when Q is off the floor the switching has definitely contributed to the rebounding issues. If Akok is away from the rim, we're getting abused on glass.
- Overhelping: The Siena broadcast crew was all over this, but offball defenders just completely lack discipline. We get sucked in so easily. Our bigs chase blocked shots so much that any jump stop and hesitation leaves an open pass. When players drive baseline, we help off the other corner and leave the corner 3 open? I watch a ton of hoops and we're the only team I see give up that pass
- Doubling the post: This one drives me bananas. Last year we would dig down one pass away, which was equally frustrating as it was a simple kick out to nearest shooter. This year, we're sending the double from the opposite corner. It just doesnt work. The big isn't forcing the post player to the baseline so it's not serving as a trap. It's super easy to pass it out and now we're in rotation scramble mode. I know Primo got beat up on a Nationwide Nolan video for being slow on a closeout to the corner. But the scheme is ridiculous, basically run over to the post, and before you even get there you're running back exactly where you were. Why play a center in today's game if you need to double the post defensively? When we're playing Sanogo, fine. Jackson Stormo? GTFO
TL; DR: We're 266th in defense and it's been a third of the season. It's unacceptable
This is really a fantastic post. I know this is focused on defense, and makes excellent points, but the fact that we are playing this way on offense virtually guarantees that we are going to lose nearly every game. As I have said before, 2 point jump shots, especially longer ones, are absolutely terrible, inefficient shots. This is why only 19% of opponents' shots are two point jump shots. Yet, the plurality of our shots--35.7% are two point jump shots. Let that sink in. The most frequent shot we are taking is the worst shot in basketball. Let's break this down further to show what's happening: Shot Type | Opponents | Opponents FG% | Opponents Points Per Shot | At Rim | 37.5% | 56.0% | 1.12 | 2 pt Jump shot | 19% | 37.4% | 0.75 | 3 pt Jump shot | 43.5% | 33.3% | 1.00 (.999 rounded up) |
In contrast, here are the same numbers for Georgetown: Shot Type | Hoyas | Hoyas FG% | Hoyas Points Per Shot | At Rim | 33.6% | 55.7% | 1.12 | 2 pt Jump shot | 35.7% | 43.4% | 0.87 | 3 pt Jump shot | 30.7% | 32.7% | 0.98 |
A bit surprisingly, this means that the Hoyas are (a) scoring the same points per shot at the rim as our opponents thus far, (b) we are actually shooting two point jumpers better than our opponents (though this still shows why it's a horrible shot compared to at the rim/3 point shots, and (c) shooting threes similarly to opponents. So, the main difference thus far has simply been that other teams take a LOT more shots at the rim and from three than we do. Instead, we take a TON more shots from the worst place. When you look at some of our individual players, you see the guys who take the most 2 point jump shots: Primo Spears: 50.9% of his shots are two point jumpers. He makes 46.9% of them, meaning he's only scoring 0.94 points per shot. That's not good. Wahab: 52.5% of shots are two point jumpers, only 46.2% at rim. This is a horrible distribution for a big guy. While he's great at the rim (he scores 1.30 points per shot, super efficient!), on the two point jumpers, he shoots 33.33%, meaning on those shots, he is scoring .666 points per possession. If this is not clear enough, Wahab is scores DOUBLE the amount of points per shot at the rim than on other two point shots, and yet he takes MORE of the bad two point shots at the rim. When people ask what can Ewing do differently, let's start here.
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 13, 2022 17:15:44 GMT -5
appreciate the kind words. I used to write recaps of each game but I really can't stomach that at this point. If there's a particular topic you or other posters would like to focus on, feel free to send out the bat signal and I'll do my best. What defensive strategy is best fitted for this current Hoyas team?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2022 17:17:56 GMT -5
appreciate the kind words. I used to write recaps of each game but I really can't stomach that at this point. If there's a particular topic you or other posters would like to focus on, feel free to send out the bat signal and I'll do my best. What defensive strategy is best fitted for this current Hoyas team? For what it's worth, I think there are multiple ways the Hoyas could put on a better defense. The problem isn't playing man-to-man v. zone or something that high level (and we have played both this season). The problem is that, whatever the scheme, the coaches cannot coach it well. We overhelp, our rotations are bad, our guys are never in the right place. This is coaching, and so I don't think changing schemes or approaches will really make a difference at this juncture. I firmly believe that better coaching could get our team up 100+ on KenPom in defense with the exact same roster. It's not a personnel or usage problem, it's the coaching of the scheme.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 13, 2022 17:53:31 GMT -5
appreciate the kind words. I used to write recaps of each game but I really can't stomach that at this point. If there's a particular topic you or other posters would like to focus on, feel free to send out the bat signal and I'll do my best. What defensive strategy is best fitted for this current Hoyas team? That's a very fair question given the amount of time I've spent talking defense. - I'm not sure the "system" matters. There are so many different systems that we see have success. We watched Texas Tech "no middle" suffocate us. Houston makes a point of forcing dribblers middle to the "nail" in the middle of the court. Nova for years has done the switch everything. UVa and the pack line etc. And I really don't buy that all of these systems take time and that's the excuse. Everyone in the country is dealing with roster upheaval, we're so far down that just has to be off the table imo
- To me it's more about trying to take something, anything away from the offense. And then from there, understanding your rotations and responsibilities when the offense takes the thing you're conceding. So much of our defense feels like it's just asking players to guard straight up, once they're beat then the expectation is everyone helps, then you're supposed to recover. That's all well and good, but you're asking guys to be in two places, everyone helps instead of it being defined, and we end up scrambling for no reason and helping off the worst places
Specifics I would focus on within the existing system, no crazy overhaul - Closing out on shooters. There are so many times our guys are just short closing out, like they could be in position but don't want to take that extra step out because they'd be exposed on the perimeter.
- No help one pass away and off the corners. Make people actually finish over Q or Akok at the summit.
- Stop doubling the post. Enough. Live with the guy trying to beat Q in the paint. If that really becomes too much, 3/4 front the post and double ON THE PASS, don't wait for the guy to catch it, have the help defender moving while the ball is in the air.
- Ironically for a coach who mostly yells rebound, we don't. Gang rebounding, no leaking out.
- Ball pressure, outside of Primo we don't provide enough of it on the wings from Murray and Heath. Everything looks so comfortable for the offense, make them work and not want the ball in their hands
If you dont do these things, you sit. Even if its 2 minutes, Riley and Bass should come in. Start there
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 13, 2022 18:23:03 GMT -5
I will say it's no surprise Nickelberry is a good recruiter.
Part of his pitch surely was his help with LSU's defense last season (of which he deserved nearly zero credit)-- as there is now a 235 KenPom spot difference between that defense and this year's Georgetown.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 14, 2022 16:16:06 GMT -5
appreciate the kind words. I used to write recaps of each game but I really can't stomach that at this point. If there's a particular topic you or other posters would like to focus on, feel free to send out the bat signal and I'll do my best. I know you did. I’d usually sift through all the noise to get to your recap. You and RockawayHoya. Not sure if he’s still writing them or if he’s basically thrown in the towel too. Don’t blame you for not writing them anymore. I basically stopped watching the games and reading the game threads. Until the decision is made to gut the program and rebuild from scratch, it’s hardly worth it for you or I or anyone really to devote any time to this flaming trash barge. I’d rather spend the time with my kids. I am still around; was out of country on vacation for the better part of the last 2 weeks and work has been crazy. If being abroad saved me from having to waste 2 hours watching whatever it was that happened Saturday, it was worth every dime. Agree 100% with rhw485 that your #1 focus has to be: what are we going to take away on the defensive end? You can't be awful at both giving up shots at the rim and from 3... take one away and live with the other. I would much rather see Q get abused in the post in single coverage vs. giving the other team 30+ lightly contested or open 3pt attempts. The math speaks for itself. The other thing I'd like to see is some understanding of opposing personnel. What is it that the other team likes to do? How can we take it away? The staff almost always seem surprised when some rando goes off against us when our penchant for overhelping leaves that guy open. A quick glance at a team's stat sheet should help you figure it out. And it's even less excusable for conference opponents who you've already seen 2-3x a season. With the proper defensive scheme in place and someone who can both properly motivate from an effort standpoint and educate from a player development standpoint, count me in the camp that thinks the current roster could be in a lot better position. None of that is there at this point.
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 14, 2022 17:01:44 GMT -5
What defensive strategy is best fitted for this current Hoyas team? That's a very fair question given the amount of time I've spent talking defense. - I'm not sure the "system" matters. There are so many different systems that we see have success. We watched Texas Tech "no middle" suffocate us. Houston makes a point of forcing dribblers middle to the "nail" in the middle of the court. Nova for years has done the switch everything. UVa and the pack line etc. And I really don't buy that all of these systems take time and that's the excuse. Everyone in the country is dealing with roster upheaval, we're so far down that just has to be off the table imo
- To me it's more about trying to take something, anything away from the offense. And then from there, understanding your rotations and responsibilities when the offense takes the thing you're conceding. So much of our defense feels like it's just asking players to guard straight up, once they're beat then the expectation is everyone helps, then you're supposed to recover. That's all well and good, but you're asking guys to be in two places, everyone helps instead of it being defined, and we end up scrambling for no reason and helping off the worst places
Specifics I would focus on within the existing system, no crazy overhaul - Closing out on shooters. There are so many times our guys are just short closing out, like they could be in position but don't want to take that extra step out because they'd be exposed on the perimeter.
- No help one pass away and off the corners. Make people actually finish over Q or Akok at the summit.
- Stop doubling the post. Enough. Live with the guy trying to beat Q in the paint. If that really becomes too much, 3/4 front the post and double ON THE PASS, don't wait for the guy to catch it, have the help defender moving while the ball is in the air.
- Ironically for a coach who mostly yells rebound, we don't. Gang rebounding, no leaking out.
- Ball pressure, outside of Primo we don't provide enough of it on the wings from Murray and Heath. Everything looks so comfortable for the offense, make them work and not want the ball in their hands
If you dont do these things, you sit. Even if its 2 minutes, Riley and Bass should come in. Start there
I greatly appreciate your feedback. I hope all the players commit to ball pressure and gang rebounding in the upcoming BE games.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 14, 2022 18:27:36 GMT -5
What defensive strategy is best fitted for this current Hoyas team? That's a very fair question given the amount of time I've spent talking defense. - I'm not sure the "system" matters. There are so many different systems that we see have success. We watched Texas Tech "no middle" suffocate us. Houston makes a point of forcing dribblers middle to the "nail" in the middle of the court. Nova for years has done the switch everything. UVa and the pack line etc. And I really don't buy that all of these systems take time and that's the excuse. Everyone in the country is dealing with roster upheaval, we're so far down that just has to be off the table imo
- To me it's more about trying to take something, anything away from the offense. And then from there, understanding your rotations and responsibilities when the offense takes the thing you're conceding. So much of our defense feels like it's just asking players to guard straight up, once they're beat then the expectation is everyone helps, then you're supposed to recover. That's all well and good, but you're asking guys to be in two places, everyone helps instead of it being defined, and we end up scrambling for no reason and helping off the worst places
Specifics I would focus on within the existing system, no crazy overhaul - Closing out on shooters. There are so many times our guys are just short closing out, like they could be in position but don't want to take that extra step out because they'd be exposed on the perimeter.
- No help one pass away and off the corners. Make people actually finish over Q or Akok at the summit.
- Stop doubling the post. Enough. Live with the guy trying to beat Q in the paint. If that really becomes too much, 3/4 front the post and double ON THE PASS, don't wait for the guy to catch it, have the help defender moving while the ball is in the air.
- Ironically for a coach who mostly yells rebound, we don't. Gang rebounding, no leaking out.
- Ball pressure, outside of Primo we don't provide enough of it on the wings from Murray and Heath. Everything looks so comfortable for the offense, make them work and not want the ball in their hands
If you dont do these things, you sit. Even if its 2 minutes, Riley and Bass should come in. Start there
The biggest thing I would do is constantly passive press. Just make them take 6-8 seconds off the clock passing sideways while Akok jumps around. You have to defend that much less. Schematically, I'd actually suggest slightly less ball pressure. We get beat off the dribble way too often. Im not talking about PNR. I mean just straight dribble drive. The best way to not have to use help defense principles is to not need help in the first place.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 14, 2022 18:57:27 GMT -5
That's a very fair question given the amount of time I've spent talking defense. - I'm not sure the "system" matters. There are so many different systems that we see have success. We watched Texas Tech "no middle" suffocate us. Houston makes a point of forcing dribblers middle to the "nail" in the middle of the court. Nova for years has done the switch everything. UVa and the pack line etc. And I really don't buy that all of these systems take time and that's the excuse. Everyone in the country is dealing with roster upheaval, we're so far down that just has to be off the table imo
- To me it's more about trying to take something, anything away from the offense. And then from there, understanding your rotations and responsibilities when the offense takes the thing you're conceding. So much of our defense feels like it's just asking players to guard straight up, once they're beat then the expectation is everyone helps, then you're supposed to recover. That's all well and good, but you're asking guys to be in two places, everyone helps instead of it being defined, and we end up scrambling for no reason and helping off the worst places
Specifics I would focus on within the existing system, no crazy overhaul - Closing out on shooters. There are so many times our guys are just short closing out, like they could be in position but don't want to take that extra step out because they'd be exposed on the perimeter.
- No help one pass away and off the corners. Make people actually finish over Q or Akok at the summit.
- Stop doubling the post. Enough. Live with the guy trying to beat Q in the paint. If that really becomes too much, 3/4 front the post and double ON THE PASS, don't wait for the guy to catch it, have the help defender moving while the ball is in the air.
- Ironically for a coach who mostly yells rebound, we don't. Gang rebounding, no leaking out.
- Ball pressure, outside of Primo we don't provide enough of it on the wings from Murray and Heath. Everything looks so comfortable for the offense, make them work and not want the ball in their hands
If you dont do these things, you sit. Even if its 2 minutes, Riley and Bass should come in. Start there
The biggest thing I would do is constantly passive press. Just make them take 6-8 seconds off the clock passing sideways while Akok jumps around. You have to defend that much less. Schematically, I'd actually suggest slightly less ball pressure. We get beat off the dribble way too often. Im not talking about PNR. I mean just straight dribble drive. The best way to not have to use help defense principles is to not need help in the first place. Hard to press when you only play your starters 🤔
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 14, 2022 21:51:48 GMT -5
Watching Mick Cronin’s UCLA squad play D right now is a thing of beauty. Good ball pressure, active hands, getting into passing lanes. Every shot contested. UMD is ice cold but UCLA is locked in defensively right now.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 14, 2022 22:57:27 GMT -5
That's a very fair question given the amount of time I've spent talking defense. - I'm not sure the "system" matters. There are so many different systems that we see have success. We watched Texas Tech "no middle" suffocate us. Houston makes a point of forcing dribblers middle to the "nail" in the middle of the court. Nova for years has done the switch everything. UVa and the pack line etc. And I really don't buy that all of these systems take time and that's the excuse. Everyone in the country is dealing with roster upheaval, we're so far down that just has to be off the table imo
- To me it's more about trying to take something, anything away from the offense. And then from there, understanding your rotations and responsibilities when the offense takes the thing you're conceding. So much of our defense feels like it's just asking players to guard straight up, once they're beat then the expectation is everyone helps, then you're supposed to recover. That's all well and good, but you're asking guys to be in two places, everyone helps instead of it being defined, and we end up scrambling for no reason and helping off the worst places
Specifics I would focus on within the existing system, no crazy overhaul - Closing out on shooters. There are so many times our guys are just short closing out, like they could be in position but don't want to take that extra step out because they'd be exposed on the perimeter.
- No help one pass away and off the corners. Make people actually finish over Q or Akok at the summit.
- Stop doubling the post. Enough. Live with the guy trying to beat Q in the paint. If that really becomes too much, 3/4 front the post and double ON THE PASS, don't wait for the guy to catch it, have the help defender moving while the ball is in the air.
- Ironically for a coach who mostly yells rebound, we don't. Gang rebounding, no leaking out.
- Ball pressure, outside of Primo we don't provide enough of it on the wings from Murray and Heath. Everything looks so comfortable for the offense, make them work and not want the ball in their hands
If you dont do these things, you sit. Even if its 2 minutes, Riley and Bass should come in. Start there
The biggest thing I would do is constantly passive press. Just make them take 6-8 seconds off the clock passing sideways while Akok jumps around. You have to defend that much less. Schematically, I'd actually suggest slightly less ball pressure. We get beat off the dribble way too often. Im not talking about PNR. I mean just straight dribble drive. The best way to not have to use help defense principles is to not need help in the first place. They seem to have abandoned the press. They must be reading this board too much. Let’s not forget that the so called arm chair experts on here kept saying the solution to our defense was to full court press. And then this year they are saying we shouldn’t press. Go figure.
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