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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 10, 2023 11:38:08 GMT -5
Fair enough- but none of those concepts justify pot shots against Nickelberry, FWIW.
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Post by guru on Feb 10, 2023 11:47:34 GMT -5
"College basketball's most disappointing transfer portal hauls from 2022 cycle... GEORGETOWN The Hoyas added way too much talent out of the transfer portal to be 6-19 overall and 1-13 in Big East play. Georgetown’s seven-highest scorers are all transfers. Primo Spears, Brandon Murray and Jay Heath have teamed up to be double-digit scorers in the backcourt. Murray, one of the jewels of the 2022 transfer portal cycle out of LSU, has had some enormous dunks and eye-popping highlights. But it hasn’t translated to winning at all. It seems like only a matter of time until Georgetown makes a coaching change." 247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketballs-most-disappointing-transfer-portal-hauls-from-2022-cycle-204489942/#204489942_6So much for the instant impact of the Traveling Nickelberrys. Their impact reminds me of Ralph Kiner going to Branch Rickey and demanding a salary increase after hitting 50 HR’s. Branch told him”we came in last with you, we can come in last without you” and traded him. Kevin better hope he leased rather than bought a home. Are you 125 years old?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 10, 2023 12:28:13 GMT -5
I understand the disappointment that Nickelberry has not worked out, but I fail to understand why fans seem to have animus toward him. For what it's worth, I do not have animus against Nickelberry at all. Any animus I have is reserved for the adminstration for thinking that the answer last year was to hire people like Nickelberry rather than making a change at the top. It's essentially wasted a year of fandom we will never get back. With the change of staff, with ignoring the plunging graduation rates, and ignoring the annual player exodus, DeGioia will be able to say Pat, we supported you all the way, even more than Esh and JT3. Jack needs a scapegoat to look like the good guy, but doesn’t have it this time. With Esh? Gave him an extension, but he talked too much so Jack had the excuse. With JT3? Jack allegedly was against firing JT3. JT2 and JT3 didn’t want the embarrassment of the booing and student demonstrations. Jack had his out, or at least a change in La Famiglia coaches. This time, the best scapegoat scenario for Jack would be for Pat to resign. Will he? Not with the little voices (Ronny and cronies) telling him to ignore the outside noise. Who do you think left him an anonymous note of support telling him to ignore the naysayers? Where have we seen anonymous notes mentioned before? Ball State? Just like he thought he could be a NBA head coach, Pat thinks he can turn it around here. He’s delusional. A reporter (Fanta, Bobby B., etc...), needs to ask Pat: if you were the GM/president of a basketball program and the team won 1 conference game in two seasons, would you change the head coach? I bet that if he was sitting with Shaq and Charles in a NCAAT/NBA TV show, Pat would answer Hell, yes! Followed by a big, hearty Patrick Ewing laugh...
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Post by bluegray79 on Feb 10, 2023 12:42:51 GMT -5
I hadn't considered this before but what if Jack and the Board go totally status quo and hire Nickelberry as HC in the name of continuity amidst change. Kevin seems like he may be a smooth talker, and if there is no interest or stomach in parting ways with Ronnie, keep what's here. If KN convinced the Admin and search team that PE wasn't listening to him or the other assistants, and that he is confident he can right the ship, that would allow them to make changes without making waves. Makes me feel ill to even write it here, but I prefer facing my demons before they sneak up on me and lay me low. Somebody talk me down...!
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 10, 2023 12:54:24 GMT -5
I hadn't considered this before but what if Jack and the Board go totally status quo and hire Nickelberry as HC in the name of continuity amidst change. Kevin seems like he may be a smooth talker, and if there is no interest or stomach in parting ways with Ronnie, keep what's here. If KN convinced the Admin and search team that PE wasn't listening to him or the other assistants, and that he is confident he can right the ship, that would allow them to make changes without making waves. Makes me feel ill to even write it here, but I prefer facing my demons before they sneak up on me and lay me low. Somebody talk me down...! I'll add to your nightmare scenario - KN also says he can keep the NIL transfers to stick with the Hoyas. Jack D says KN deserves a chance with players he brought into the program . . .
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Post by TC on Feb 10, 2023 13:02:59 GMT -5
I hadn't considered this before but what if Jack and the Board go totally status quo and hire Nickelberry as HC in the name of continuity amidst change. Kevin seems like he may be a smooth talker, and if there is no interest or stomach in parting ways with Ronnie, keep what's here. If KN convinced the Admin and search team that PE wasn't listening to him or the other assistants, and that he is confident he can right the ship, that would allow them to make changes without making waves. Makes me feel ill to even write it here, but I prefer facing my demons before they sneak up on me and lay me low. Somebody talk me down...! I'll add to your nightmare scenario - KN also says he can keep the NIL transfers to stick with the Hoyas. Jack D says KN deserves a chance with players he brought into the program . . . Let me get this straight - you are worried about Jack DeGioia hiring James Jones from Yale (which I don't think would be bad - Jones is a good coach) because Jack DeGioia cares about academics and winning without cheating AND YOU ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY WORRIED ABOUT Jack DeGioia hiring a former LSU coach who was fired by Howard after a .331 win percentage and bundled a bunch of recruits to Georgetown after 0-20 and Georgetown having no NIL program ... That is range.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 10, 2023 13:12:57 GMT -5
I'll add to your nightmare scenario - KN also says he can keep the NIL transfers to stick with the Hoyas. Jack D says KN deserves a chance with players he brought into the program . . . Let me get this straight - you are worried about Jack DeGioia hiring James Jones from Yale (which I don't think would be bad - Jones is a good coach) because Jack DeGioia cares about academics and winning without cheating AND YOU ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY WORRIED ABOUT Jack DeGioia hiring a former LSU coach who was fired by Howard after a .331 win percentage and bundled a bunch of recruits to Georgetown after 0-20 and Georgetown having no NIL program ... That is range. Actually, no. I am merely playing out bluegray79's hypothetical. I worry more about hiring a James Jones than KN being retained - I don't think that is actually going to happen. I think it far more likely that we end up with Jones or someone of a similar pedigree than a KN.
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Post by bluegray79 on Feb 10, 2023 13:29:51 GMT -5
Valid points, but I have to say that, just as in talks about party politics in the U.S., using any metric of logic and reason is futile at a certain point, isn't it? Because you're not dealing with people or situations that conform to a decent standard of logic and reason. I mean, I don't know to what extent Jackie D has his finger on the pulse of the MBB situation. Is he intimately involved and informed, or does he get his updates from a trusted advisor? If so, who is that person and what baggage and biases does he/she bring to the job?
Also, the caring about cheating makes sense, but the concern over academics has to be questioned as the MBB graduation rate has been going down in recent years but the program has remained in the same hands. Add to that JD's lingering attachment to the Thompsons (at least as many here see it), his comments about NIL, the lack of transparency throughout the MBB program, and the university's eternal obsession with its prestige and image, and I don't feel like we have a lot to go on in evaluating or predicting the president's mind set or likely decisions.
Lastly, maybe one trade-off Jack made inside his own head to keep PE on after last year was to let PE shake up the coaching staff and hit the transfer portal hard. To almost everyone, Nickelberry was an able asst. coach who stepped up and got LSU through the season as interim HC. He's also a good to very good recruiter, a guy from the DC area, who was bringing a 4-star Top 100 recruit B Murray with him from LSU. I'm betting -- and all I have to go on is conjecture as there isn't much else to go on -- that Jack didn't have more to go on than a thumbs up from whoever was monitoring the situation on his behalf. Nickelberry's a schmoozer and seems like a good guy/team player, perfect to follow what Ronnie has going, etc., etc.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 10, 2023 19:36:44 GMT -5
So much for the instant impact of the Traveling Nickelberrys. Their impact reminds me of Ralph Kiner going to Branch Rickey and demanding a salary increase after hitting 50 HR’s. Branch told him”we came in last with you, we can come in last without you” and traded him. Kevin better hope he leased rather than bought a home. Are you 125 years old? No. I just read a lot and Ralph Kiner was always a favorite of mine, as was Branch Rickey.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Feb 10, 2023 21:04:41 GMT -5
A sense of history is important..........some things just don't change.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 13, 2023 10:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Mar 13, 2023 10:25:34 GMT -5
OMG .... kinda makes you wonder
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 31, 2023 9:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 14, 2023 22:06:29 GMT -5
Nickelberry to Florida State:
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 14, 2023 22:49:38 GMT -5
Nickelberry to Florida State: Allen will follow his lead.
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Post by nathanhm on Apr 15, 2023 23:49:47 GMT -5
Glad he’s gone, def not someone we wanted representing our school.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 15, 2023 23:55:31 GMT -5
Later, Coach. I'm all for clearing out all of the coaching and admin vestiges of one of the worst couple of years in Georgetown MBB history. Best of luck to Nickelberry. Don't let the door hit ya.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 16, 2023 8:04:12 GMT -5
Adios Nicklebagger…
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 16, 2023 8:32:55 GMT -5
What a ride for this guy. Gets the big recruit and promotion and, less than a year later, he’s shown to be a complete fraud, his recruit isn’t coming (after a terrible senior year), and he’s off to another place trying to save another coach’s job. I doubt this stop will be any different.
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Post by bornhoya on Apr 17, 2023 14:15:17 GMT -5
Why are people mad at Nickelberry?
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