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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 30, 2023 16:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 30, 2023 18:19:19 GMT -5
Step one in process.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 30, 2023 19:53:43 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 30, 2023 21:49:16 GMT -5
Mere speculation that it's the first step in elevating Nickelberry to acting coach while separating from Ewing.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 30, 2023 22:00:07 GMT -5
Mere speculation that it's the first step in elevating Nickelberry to acting coach while separating from Ewing. It happened in July
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 30, 2023 22:00:33 GMT -5
Mere speculation that it's the first step in elevating Nickelberry to acting coach while separating from Ewing. Or resume padding for when they both go.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 30, 2023 22:49:58 GMT -5
More likely, Ewing rewarded Nickelberry for recruiting solid transfers, or it was done as a move to retain Nickelberry if he had another offer on the table. It's safe to say that if Ewing did depart midseason (I still think this does not happen unless Ewing voluntarily does it), Nickelberry would be the interim. While he may be a solid recruiter, I do not think his history as a head coach warrants consideration for the job.
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Post by tgo on Jan 31, 2023 0:20:46 GMT -5
vs SJU, Nickleberry was leading the huddle and drawing up the last second play with Ewing a step back behind the circle that had the players who ere in the game.
Is that new? i have not seen a huddle that wasn't led by Ewing before.
The games have been so terrible that this was one of the only ones that i was watching closely at all much less in the final minutes so maybe it has happened a lot i haven't noticed. or maybe it is so rare that we need a play drawn up for a special situation... or maybe ewing is recognizing x's and o's are not his strength.
As a side/related note. Hadn't occurred to me before but it is crazy to think back to when Ewing was hired and how most were worried that he wouldnt be able to relate to kids these days and might not be up for the recruiting grind in general and thus not get the talent. yet it has been the complete opposite. he has recruited well, brought in a lot of talent. But he has failed at every other aspect of the job.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 31, 2023 10:12:37 GMT -5
vs SJU, Nickleberry was leading the huddle and drawing up the last second play with Ewing a step back behind the circle that had the players who ere in the game. Is that new? i have not seen a huddle that wasn't led by Ewing before. The games have been so terrible that this was one of the only ones that i was watching closely at all much less in the final minutes so maybe it has happened a lot i haven't noticed. or maybe it is so rare that we need a play drawn up for a special situation... or maybe ewing is recognizing x's and o's are not his strength. As a side/related note. Hadn't occurred to me before but it is crazy to think back to when Ewing was hired and how most were worried that he wouldnt be able to relate to kids these days and might not be up for the recruiting grind in general and thus not get the talent. yet it has been the complete opposite. he has recruited well, brought in a lot of talent. But he has failed at every other aspect of the job. I am pretty sure this was Crouch, not Nickelberry, but perhaps we are talking about different plays? On your point about relating "to kids these days" - I would disagree. Ewing has definitely done his part recruiting, etc. (though I have no idea whether the staff is even bothering now), but I would argue that the enormous amount of roster turnover is because Ewing does not relate to kids well. You retain kids by building loyalty, connecting with them, making everyone feel like a valuable part of the roster, etc. Ewing has not done that.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 31, 2023 10:21:44 GMT -5
vs SJU, Nickleberry was leading the huddle and drawing up the last second play with Ewing a step back behind the circle that had the players who ere in the game. Is that new? i have not seen a huddle that wasn't led by Ewing before. The games have been so terrible that this was one of the only ones that i was watching closely at all much less in the final minutes so maybe it has happened a lot i haven't noticed. or maybe it is so rare that we need a play drawn up for a special situation... or maybe ewing is recognizing x's and o's are not his strength. As a side/related note. Hadn't occurred to me before but it is crazy to think back to when Ewing was hired and how most were worried that he wouldnt be able to relate to kids these days and might not be up for the recruiting grind in general and thus not get the talent. yet it has been the complete opposite. he has recruited well, brought in a lot of talent. But he has failed at every other aspect of the job. I am pretty sure this was Crouch, not Nickelberry, but perhaps we are talking about different plays? On your point about relating "to kids these days" - I would disagree. Ewing has definitely done his part recruiting, etc. (though I have no idea whether the staff is even bothering now), but I would argue that the enormous amount of roster turnover is because Ewing does not relate to kids well. You retain kids by building loyalty, connecting with them, making everyone feel like a valuable part of the roster, etc. Ewing has not done that. Agree re: “relating”. But, as to recruiting, when Pat was hired, we thought that at least the best centers out of hs would want to play for a Hall of Famer in their position. Let’s just say that they have not.
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Post by DoffBHoya on Jan 31, 2023 10:45:58 GMT -5
I am pretty sure this was Crouch, not Nickelberry, but perhaps we are talking about different plays? On your point about relating "to kids these days" - I would disagree. Ewing has definitely done his part recruiting, etc. (though I have no idea whether the staff is even bothering now), but I would argue that the enormous amount of roster turnover is because Ewing does not relate to kids well. You retain kids by building loyalty, connecting with them, making everyone feel like a valuable part of the roster, etc. Ewing has not done that. Agree re: “relating”. But, as to recruiting, when Pat was hired, we thought that at least the best centers out of hs would want to play for a Hall of Famer in their position. Let’s just say that they have not. this is actually pretty true, but it is worth noting that the current roster has a 4-star center, Ryan Mutumbo, who sits on the Georgetown bench about 99% of the time.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 31, 2023 14:40:19 GMT -5
If the chatter is true and the writing is on the wall for Ewing to be gone no matter what happens rest of the season, I simply do not understand why we are allowing Ewing to remain a lame duck HC right now.
Fire Ewing today, have Nickelberry interim HC rest of season. See how he does, how connected the players are to him (he brought many of them in), and figure out if we can or should retain him or others for next season. While I think he's far from the best candidate, I think at the very least Nickelberry has earned the opportunity to earn his way onto the staff for next season, HC or otherwise.
If he succeeds and reels off a few wins, great. If not, which I think is more likely, it gives us a chance to get a head start on a real coaching search and recruiting for next season and beyond.
Keeping Ewing around for any milliseconds longer is simply mind boggling to me.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 31, 2023 16:00:41 GMT -5
If the chatter is true and the writing is on the wall for Ewing to be gone no matter what happens rest of the season, I simply do not understand why we are allowing Ewing to remain a lame duck HC right now. Fire Ewing today, have Nickelberry interim HC rest of season. See how he does, how connected the players are to him (he brought many of them in), and figure out if we can or should retain him or others for next season. While I think he's far from the best candidate, I think at the very least Nickelberry has earned the opportunity to earn his way onto the staff for next season, HC or otherwise. If he succeeds and reels off a few wins, great. If not, which I think is more likely, it gives us a chance to get a head start on a real coaching search and recruiting for next season and beyond. Keeping Ewing around for any milliseconds longer is simply mind boggling to me. You make a lot of good points. While I'd have no problem with Nickelberry being an interim head coach, I do not think he has the background warranting his consideration for head coach at our program. That doesn't mean he is not a valuable assistant, clearly the guy can recruit. But, the new coach will select his assistants and the odds Nickelberry would be hired by a new coach are slim. The one exception, I think, would be if he could keep guys like Murray, Akok, and Spears from leaving. That might be some value, but still, you need to let the new coach make those decisions. 8 of the 11 coaches in the Big East had mid-major or high major jobs before coaching their programs (exceptions are Neptune, Ewing, and Stubblefield). Nickelberry has over 10+ years of coaching at low-major programs, and his record at Hampton and Howard wasn't particularly good. I have nothing against him personally at all, I just want a qualified and accomplished coach and that's not him. I just don't think Nickelberry has earned anything. He's been part of the staff that made Georgetown even worse than last year. He was supposedly going to have more influence on defense this year, and it has gotten worse. If Nickelberry was a savant on defense, we would know by now (I recognize there's a chance Ewing isn't letting him do his thing on defense, in which case it would fall on Ewing, but we have no way to know that). I don't see any justification for retaining him other than perhaps player retention which might help a new coach get on his feet. But he's absolutely not qualified to be head coach. While I would be fine letting Ewing go now, I can see why some might let him run out the season. The season is lost. We aren't going to hire a new coach in January or February. There may be a perception that firing him mid-season would be bad form because of Ewing's status as a great Georgetown player, etc. There may also be concern about the players checking out if he gets fired. We aren't in the locker room. I am not saying I agree with any of this necessarily, but it makes sense to me. Personally, I think the best result is a later season mutual departure announcement in early March, but he agrees to coach out the BET. This will allow fans to stop rooting for losses and relax for the rest of the season. So, there's some merit to that, I suppose.
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Post by TC on Jan 31, 2023 16:16:40 GMT -5
If the chatter is true and the writing is on the wall for Ewing to be gone no matter what happens rest of the season, I simply do not understand why we are allowing Ewing to remain a lame duck HC right now. Fire Ewing today, have Nickelberry interim HC rest of season. See how he does, how connected the players are to him (he brought many of them in), and figure out if we can or should retain him or others for next season. While I think he's far from the best candidate, I think at the very least Nickelberry has earned the opportunity to earn his way onto the staff for next season, HC or otherwise. Are you a big fan of retaining Ronny? Because you've spelled out the formula for it. I don't think Nickelberry should be the HC under any circumstance - it'd say a lot about the program. You want Baldwin or Crouch to coach out the season? Fine, that's less problematic.
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 31, 2023 16:46:32 GMT -5
If the chatter is true and the writing is on the wall for Ewing to be gone no matter what happens rest of the season, I simply do not understand why we are allowing Ewing to remain a lame duck HC right now. Fire Ewing today, have Nickelberry interim HC rest of season. See how he does, how connected the players are to him (he brought many of them in), and figure out if we can or should retain him or others for next season. While I think he's far from the best candidate, I think at the very least Nickelberry has earned the opportunity to earn his way onto the staff for next season, HC or otherwise. If he succeeds and reels off a few wins, great. If not, which I think is more likely, it gives us a chance to get a head start on a real coaching search and recruiting for next season and beyond. Keeping Ewing around for any milliseconds longer is simply mind boggling to me. You make a lot of good points. While I'd have no problem with Nickelberry being an interim head coach, I do not think he has the background warranting his consideration for head coach at our program. That doesn't mean he is not a valuable assistant, clearly the guy can recruit. But, the new coach will select his assistants and the odds Nickelberry would be hired by a new coach are slim. The one exception, I think, would be if he could keep guys like Murray, Akok, and Spears from leaving. That might be some value, but still, you need to let the new coach make those decisions. 8 of the 11 coaches in the Big East had mid-major or high major jobs before coaching their programs (exceptions are Neptune, Ewing, and Stubblefield). Nickelberry has over 10+ years of coaching at low-major programs, and his record at Hampton and Howard wasn't particularly good. I have nothing against him personally at all, I just want a qualified and accomplished coach and that's not him. I just don't think Nickelberry has earned anything. He's been part of the staff that made Georgetown even worse than last year. He was supposedly going to have more influence on defense this year, and it has gotten worse. If Nickelberry was a savant on defense, we would know by now (I recognize there's a chance Ewing isn't letting him do his thing on defense, in which case it would fall on Ewing, but we have no way to know that). I don't see any justification for retaining him other than perhaps player retention which might help a new coach get on his feet. But he's absolutely not qualified to be head coach. While I would be fine letting Ewing go now, I can see why some might let him run out the season. The season is lost. We aren't going to hire a new coach in January or February. There may be a perception that firing him mid-season would be bad form because of Ewing's status as a great Georgetown player, etc. There may also be concern about the players checking out if he gets fired. We aren't in the locker room. I am not saying I agree with any of this necessarily, but it makes sense to me. Personally, I think the best result is a later season mutual departure announcement in early March, but he agrees to coach out the BET. This will allow fans to stop rooting for losses and relax for the rest of the season. So, there's some merit to that, I suppose.don't be so modest! you are truly a superfan for rooting for the team to lose!
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 31, 2023 17:14:34 GMT -5
Conversely - there is no benefit to firing Ewing at this juncture, and I’m confused why anyone would want that right now besides impatience. Firing Ewing and letting Nickelberry take over would be a disaster if Nick succeeds, it would tell the admin that the only problem is Ewing and that the rest of the infrastructure doesn’t need to change. Meanwhile, if Nick bottoms out like we know Ewing is going to, we just fired a program legend mid-season for no reason. Everyone knows Ewing is out, and if the admin is smart they’re sending out feelers now and getting a lay of the land of possible candidates. Nickelberry under no circumstances can be the head coach next season. He was a disaster at Howard and we need to hire a proven winner at the high/mid major levels. Folks know what kind of assistant coach he is and if the next coach wants him on staff there’s ample evidence he would continue to be a strong assistant coach. It’s not like winning a few games would let us know what we have - we already know who the talented players are on this year’s team and who the next guy should work to retain.
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Post by practice on Jan 31, 2023 17:15:10 GMT -5
The reason that Ewing can't be fired now is because he has an employment contract with the university. Typically if you are negotiating a "resignation" you give the employee an opportunity to save face. For Ewing, that probably means coaching out the rest of the season ... he has some leverage particularly if there's a chance that he'll accept less than every dollar owed to him.
Nickelberry's HC run at Howard was a disaster. The program is actually probably better off with Ewing just taking losses than risking Nickelberry, Baldwin -- another failed HC, or RT -- another failed HC, winning a few games and making a case to be hired.
Also, any new HC worth hiring is going to clean house ... there should be no pressure to keep anyone associated with this season or last season employed by the basketball program.
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Post by practice on Jan 31, 2023 17:16:02 GMT -5
Conversely - there is no benefit to firing Ewing at this juncture, and I’m confused why anyone would want that right now besides impatience. Firing Ewing and letting Nickelberry take over would be a disaster if Nick succeeds, it would tell the admin that the only problem is Ewing and that the rest of the infrastructure doesn’t need to change. Meanwhile, if Nick bottoms out like we know Ewing is going to, we just fired a program legend mid-season for no reason. Everyone knows Ewing is out, and if the admin is smart they’re sending out feelers now and getting a lay of the land of possible candidates. Nickelberry under no circumstances can be the head coach next season. He was a disaster at Howard and we need to hire a proven winner at the high/mid major levels. Folks know what kind of assistant coach he is and if the next coach wants him on staff there’s ample evidence he would continue to be a strong assistant coach. It’s not like winning a few games would let us know what we have - we already know who the talented players are on this year’s team and who the next guy should work to retain. Ha ... you make some great points!!
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 31, 2023 17:19:03 GMT -5
The reason that Ewing can't be fired now is because he has an employment contract with the university. Typically if you are negotiating a "resignation" you give the employee an opportunity to save face. For Ewing, that probably means coaching out the rest of the season ... he has some leverage particularly if there's a chance that he'll accept less than every dollar owed to him. Nickelberry's HC run at Howard was a disaster. The program is actually probably better off with Ewing just taking losses than risking Nickelberry, Baldwin -- another failed HC, or RT -- another failed HC, winning a few games and making a case to be hired. Also, any new HC worth hiring is going to clean house ... there should be no pressure to keep anyone associated with this season or last season employed by the basketball program. That’s very on point. Why take the risk of them doing marginally better? I think people are just beyond frustrated and rightfully so. The need to clean house has never been stronger and it also contributes the pitino desire because he has enough weight to ensure he gets everything his way
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 31, 2023 18:03:31 GMT -5
don't be so modest! you are truly a superfan for rooting for the team to lose! I never said I was rooting for our guys to lose, I said I was supporting our guys. But, I'd happily exchange losing every remaining game this season in exchange for a better coach next season, and it's not even close. Please keep in mind that Ewing's performance last year, at any other university, would have resulted in dismissal. So, in that context, I think it's hard to blame us for being jaded, and thinking that if Ewing or Nickelberry were to win a few more games that Georgetown might change their mind, or just hire someone else not qualified (Nickelberry). You have already proven at length that you care more about Ewing than the program, which is fine if that's your position. For me, as an alumnus, I prefer that we have a better program next year, with a new coach. If that requires losing the 10 games we have remaining, so be it.
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