prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2022 13:28:25 GMT -5
Now can we as a fan base move on from the fire coach Ewing debacle. Let’s support the team and coaching staff to finish out the regular season and BET. How did it work out the last two times we saw a similar press release?
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 2, 2022 13:29:37 GMT -5
Now can we as a fan base move on from the fire coach Ewing debacle. Let’s support the team and coaching staff to finish out the regular season and BET. How did it work out the last two times we saw a similar press release? Lets go Hoyas!
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guru
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Post by guru on Mar 2, 2022 13:31:41 GMT -5
Now can we as a fan base move on from the fire coach Ewing debacle. Let’s support the team and coaching staff to finish out the regular season and BET. How did it work out the last two times we saw a similar press release? This is grasping. I wish it was possible, but right now it’s looking like it’s definitely not. The ONLY possible scenario where he’s not the coach is if he decides he has had enough. And notes to the university and complaints on social media and the Internet aren’t going to make that happen.
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kettlehill
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 2, 2022 13:32:45 GMT -5
This is Colin Gillespie's fault.
The fact that they are using the 4 days last March as an example of Ewings coaching acumen and rationale for retaining him is truly stupid. This guy is an "Athletic Director"?. Look at the numbers, all off them
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 2, 2022 13:33:55 GMT -5
This is Colin Gillespie's fault. The fact that they are using the 4 days last March as an example of Ewings coaching acumen is truly stupid. This guy is an "Athletic Director"?. Look at the numbers, all off them Shaking my damn head. Unbelievable!
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 2, 2022 13:35:27 GMT -5
How did it work out the last two times we saw a similar press release? This is grasping. I wish it was possible, but right now it’s looking like it’s definitely not. The ONLY possible scenario where he’s not the coach is if he decides he has had enough. And notes to the university and complaints on social media and the Internet aren’t going to make that happen. I have no remembrance of the last "votes of confidence" and the language used, but "we are committed to Coach Ewing" strikes me as direct and forceful. I see no reason to release this now unless Reed is prepared to stand behind it.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 2, 2022 13:36:15 GMT -5
Friends of mine - who are fellow Hoya fans and who figured out much earlier that Ewing wasn't the right guy - told me that winning the Big East was the worst thing that could have happened. I didn't want to believe it. Now we know it's true. Are you guys really Hoya fans. This nonsense is unbelievable. We won the BET championship. You cannot be Hoya fans and make statement like that on a public forum. Are you anything other than a Ewing fan? Do you care about the Georgetown program at all? Ewing the coach has an overall losing record in the Big East. He has not had a single winning season in conference play, and we are losing our best player at the end of this year. We are the lowest rated major conference team EVER in most statistical categories and will likely finish with ZERO conference wins this year. We have not even been in the conversation as a bubble team for an at large bid to the NCAA tournament, even when we did go 9-9 in conference because the preseason schedule was so lacking in quality wins because of the games he scheduled. Winning 4 games in 4 days to take home the BET title was a fun ride, but that was so clearly an aberration based on every other shred of evidence that says Ewing is who we thought he was as a head coach, recruiter, GM, whatever you want to call it. If the team isn’t talented enough, he has to bring in better players, if the talented players aren’t playing well, he’s failing in his job to coach them, if his best players keep transferring, he should create an atmosphere where kids don’t want to leave. Every single part of the job, he’s failed at. I don’t doubt his basketball knowledge, but he has not proven himself to be even a mediocre teacher of the game of basketball. What additional evidence is needed to see that he cannot successfully do this job? Seriously what would it take for you to say enough is enough?
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2022 13:36:37 GMT -5
How did it work out the last two times we saw a similar press release? Lets go Hoyas! Yes, those Hoya coaches had to go.
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Post by BSM on Mar 2, 2022 13:36:47 GMT -5
Funny how they waited until after the last home game of the year to put this out. Lull people into silence, thinking that a change might be a given for an 0-17 team, and recognizing that there might have been a lot more anger from fans if this came out before UConn. Didn't Esh and JTIII have similar statements of support before being canned? It's obviously a bad sign but maybe not the end of the road. The real question will be, does his team still believe in him? What I fear is the worst case scenario I outlined a week or two ago--where they try to keep him, but most of the underclassmen hit the transfer portal because they'd rather be anywhere else than on the worst high major team in America. And then, a few weeks after the season when the roster is empty and the fans are irate, they will realize they have no choice but to make a move--similar to how the Tremont Waters decommit pushed things over the edge for JTIII. Problem is that we'll be super late in the cycle by then and all the top candidates will have taken new gigs elsewhere. I hope this doesn't come to pass, because it could legitimately screw us up for the next few years. Full disclosure--I desperately wanted/want Patrick to succeed and it looks like the guys are continuing to play hard even with some bizarre substitution patterns--but Patrick didn't sign up for this nor did anybody on the sidelines--and I continue to show up at games (more in hope than expectation) but I remember what Craig and JT III's last seasons looked and felt like as an alum and fan and it's deja vu all over again. I was going to say that I thought JTIII got a vote of confidence as well, which begs the snarky question--have we ever given a vote of confidence to a Coach who didn't get fired? It's almost as if the vote of confidence at GU comes with the phone number and email for Atlas Van Lines. Having said that, we should be thankful for small mercies. You never want to have a Coach going into the last year of his contract and fortunately, we apparently added a year to the contract after winning the Big East. Can you imagine what this would like if 2022/23 was the last year and the vote of confidence required adding a year or two to the contract? Understanding the machinations of the Gtown basketball program is a theological question at this point or maybe something for a Talmudic scholar
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 2, 2022 13:41:00 GMT -5
Are you guys really Hoya fans. This nonsense is unbelievable. We won the BET championship. You cannot be Hoya fans and make statement like that on a public forum. Are you anything other than a Ewing fan? Do you care about the Georgetown program at all? Ewing the coach has an overall losing record in the Big East. He has not had a single winning season in conference play, and we are losing our best player at the end of this year. We are the lowest rated major conference team EVER in most statistical categories and will likely finish with ZERO conference wins this year. We have not even been in the conversation as a bubble team for an at large bid to the NCAA tournament, even when we did go 9-9 in conference because the preseason schedule was so lacking in quality wins because of the games he scheduled. Winning 4 games in 4 days to take home the BET title was a fun ride, but that was so clearly an aberration based on every other shred of evidence that says Ewing is who we thought he was as a head coach, recruiter, GM, whatever you want to call it. If the team isn’t talented enough, he has to bring in better players, if the talented players aren’t playing well, he’s failing in his job to coach them, if his best players keep transferring, he should create an atmosphere where kids don’t want to leave. Every single part of the job, he’s failed at. I don’t doubt his basketball knowledge, but he has not proven himself to be even a mediocre teacher of the game of basketball. What additional evidence is needed to see that he cannot successfully do this job? Seriously what would it take for you to say enough is enough? Lets go Hoyas!
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 2, 2022 13:41:42 GMT -5
It's quite clear that Reed needs to go along with Ewing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 2, 2022 13:42:54 GMT -5
Absolutely shocked. The university has accepted absolute failure. Just stunned. My mistake for assessing the situation through a competitive, real-world lens. I’m beginning to think that we have weak and incompetent staff all up the food chain. Embarrassing! 👎🏻
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 2, 2022 13:43:28 GMT -5
We are a laughingstock. Let's pay a few more mil to keep it going.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Mar 2, 2022 13:45:30 GMT -5
Is there a chance this is a “feeler” put out by Reed (who maybe can now call the shots) to gauge response? I’m guessing he is not on Hoyatalk and I’m not sure how much time he has to scroll twitter. Maybe he thinks he can squeeze another year out of Ewing?
By doing this now he can centralize and assess fan, donor, and media response with the out that “we couldn’t come to an agreement to move forward” or something to that effect? The language, to me, seems deliberate and leaves the interpretation that maybe Ewing’s stepping down could put us back on the path to success.
I won’t pretend to excel at parsing words. Probably just wishful thinking on my part.
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 2, 2022 13:45:37 GMT -5
I have no remembrance of the last two "votes of confidence" and the language used, but "we are committed to Coach Ewing" strikes me as direct and forceful. I see no reason to release this now unless Reed is prepared to stand behind it. I parsed it the opposite way, but the fact that someone is willing to put their name behind this debacle even potentially as political cover is pathetic. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/at-georgetown-the-unthinkable--fire-thompson--is-getting-louder/2017/03/03/a734345a-0034-11e7-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html“We remain confident in Coach Thompson’s ability to lead a team comprised of student athletes who achieve academically, are prepared for a future beyond Georgetown and will be competitive on a national level,” Reed’s statement read. “Our history of success in men’s basketball at Georgetown has created high expectations that we continue to embrace. We appreciate the passion of our fans and their tremendous support.”
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2022 13:46:39 GMT -5
I think it's telling that Esherick and JT3 got a vote of confidence from President DeGioia and Ewing's comes on a typo ridden statement from Lee Reed.
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guru
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Post by guru on Mar 2, 2022 13:47:03 GMT -5
I think it's telling that Esherick and JT3 got a vote of confidence from President DeGioia and Ewing's comes on a typo ridden statement from Lee Reed. It’s not
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 2, 2022 13:49:09 GMT -5
Friends of mine - who are fellow Hoya fans and who figured out much earlier that Ewing wasn't the right guy - told me that winning the Big East was the worst thing that could have happened. I didn't want to believe it. Now we know it's true. Are you guys really Hoya fans. This nonsense is unbelievable. We won the BET championship. You cannot be Hoya fans and make statement like that on a public forum. It’s definitely true. The BET was a disaster for the future of GU basketball. It was an obvious small small sample size fluke when it happened and that has been borne out by the last year.
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 2, 2022 13:49:39 GMT -5
I think it's telling that Esherick and JT3 got a vote of confidence from President DeGioia and Ewing's comes on a typo ridden statement from Lee Reed. I think only Esherick got the DeGioia vote of confidence. In 2017, The Post reached out the DeGioia's office and they had Reed put out a statement on JT3. DeGioia learned from 2004.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 2, 2022 13:51:04 GMT -5
I really hadn't contemplated Ewing staying, I figured 0-19 would transcend practically anything.
How do you even define success and what you aspire to when you're willing to tolerate this? If we're 4-16 next year, is that a step in the right direction? Once you allow for this you're basically conceding you'll never fire him, which was always the risk when we made the hire.
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