royski
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Post by royski on Mar 2, 2022 12:45:07 GMT -5
Pathetic statement from the pathetic leadership of a pathetic program. Absolutely shameful what they've done to this once proud institution.
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Mar 2, 2022 12:45:33 GMT -5
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking
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Post by Retro_hoya on Mar 2, 2022 12:45:38 GMT -5
Yet not at all surprising to anyone who actually has any inside knowledge of the program over the past month. The wishful thinkers on here certainly aren't helping matters - and I say that even though I'm definitely in favor of moving on from Ewing at the end of this season. But it's not happening. The plan, misguided as it is, is to bring in all new assistants. I hope they bring back Crouch though - he seems to be the most tech and social media savvy of all the coaching staff, the players seem to love him, and apparently he has been a good guard coach. (I cannot confirm guard improvement as honestly idk what to look for)
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 2, 2022 12:46:26 GMT -5
Funny how they waited until after the last home game of the year to put this out. Lull people into silence, thinking that a change might be a given for an 0-17 team, and recognizing that there might have been a lot more anger from fans if this came out before UConn.
Didn't Esh and JTIII have similar statements of support before being canned? It's obviously a bad sign but maybe not the end of the road.
The real question will be, does his team still believe in him? What I fear is the worst case scenario I outlined a week or two ago--where they try to keep him, but most of the underclassmen hit the transfer portal because they'd rather be anywhere else than on the worst high major team in America. And then, a few weeks after the season when the roster is empty and the fans are irate, they will realize they have no choice but to make a move--similar to how the Tremont Waters decommit pushed things over the edge for JTIII. Problem is that we'll be super late in the cycle by then and all the top candidates will have taken new gigs elsewhere. I hope this doesn't come to pass, because it could legitimately screw us up for the next few years.
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hoyas212
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Post by hoyas212 on Mar 2, 2022 12:48:22 GMT -5
A show of support for Patrick Ewing feels much different than one for Craig Esherick or John Thompson III. One week at MSG in 2021 has set this program back multiple years, hopefully the damage won't be irreparable.
P.S. Watch the change be Louis Orr retires and Akbar Waheed, Robert Kirby, and Bill Howze are still around.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 2, 2022 12:53:58 GMT -5
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Mar 2, 2022 12:55:18 GMT -5
Friends of mine - who are fellow Hoya fans and who figured out much earlier that Ewing wasn't the right guy - told me that winning the Big East was the worst thing that could have happened. I didn't want to believe it. Now we know it's true.
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Mar 2, 2022 12:58:03 GMT -5
Funny how they waited until after the last home game of the year to put this out. Lull people into silence, thinking that a change might be a given for an 0-17 team, and recognizing that there might have been a lot more anger from fans if this came out before UConn. Didn't Esh and JTIII have similar statements of support before being canned? It's obviously a bad sign but maybe not the end of the road. The timing is slightly less cowardly than it could have been. Spring break is next week, if they had waited 48 hours campus would be empty. There should still be angry students around. If any of those students are reading this, you all know where Healy Lawn is…
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 2, 2022 12:58:12 GMT -5
I guess there's two possibilities here :
- one, they really plan on keeping Ewing, their standards are that low or they dug themselves into a money hole because they are idiots, in which case, why am I here wasting calories
- two, this is to keep Ewing and Ronnie on the reservation for a couple of weeks and to blame it on the public reaction when people go bananas about this. In that case, they are abject cowards and they're showing that they'll never, ever, ever be straight with us. When people show you who they are, believe them. Georgetown is showing who they are. Georgetown will do another sham search. They won't interview people. They'll throw some money at Korn Ferry and make a couple of calls and nothing will go any further and they already know who they want. In which case, why am I here wasting calories
For the last month, I actually felt for Lee Reed - that he got cut out of the last "search", that he takes all of this flack for hiring Ewing, which he had no agency or power over, that he probably didn't deserve. This really wiped that all away.
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DonkDonk
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Post by DonkDonk on Mar 2, 2022 13:03:02 GMT -5
Ugh, Lee couldn’t even get the day of the week correct. What a disaster of a “program”. Any wins in Big East next year will be seen as an improvement.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Mar 2, 2022 13:09:54 GMT -5
Some posters have surmised that this could go the same way as the JT3 scenario. Numerous transfers out and decommitments after the season, which could then lead to PE's termination, at a time when the only available coaches are retreads like Amaker. Honestly, I'd rather keep PE another year, go 2-18 in the BIG East ( at best), and have him announce his resignation in time to bring in a good young coach. Rather waste one more year than five bad to mediocre years with a retread.
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thedragon
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Post by thedragon on Mar 2, 2022 13:13:36 GMT -5
The program has become a joke to national pundits. I could add many other Twitter links - all incredulous at the statement.
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Post by hoyafanincuse on Mar 2, 2022 13:15:18 GMT -5
I am disgusted by this, I am not an alum, but I have several family members who are including dad and grandfather who both have donated $$ to the program over the years, I have been a fan for 30+ years and a season ticket holder for 5 even though I live 5 plus hours away. I will always appreciate what Patrick has done for the program, but for the University to seemingly allow this train wreck to continue is a travesty. Even this year I have loved taking long weekends to bring my kids to the games, or spending the time with my father and Grandfather while we still can, but I will certainly not do it again next year as much as it stinks, because it is clear the University simply does not care about winning or even putting a quality team on the court!
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 2, 2022 13:16:25 GMT -5
Now can we as a fan base move on from the fire coach Ewing debacle. Let’s support the team and coaching staff to finish out the regular season and BET.
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 2, 2022 13:18:07 GMT -5
Now can we as a fan base move on from the fire coach Ewing debacle. Let’s support the team and coaching staff to finish out the regular season and BET. I hope MSG security checks his ID again. Really the only thing I'm hoping for.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 2, 2022 13:20:03 GMT -5
I guess there's two possibilities here : - one, they really plan on keeping Ewing, their standards are that low or they dug themselves into a money hole because they are idiots, in which case, why am I here wasting calories - two, this is to keep Ewing and Ronnie on the reservation for a couple of weeks and to blame it on the public reaction when people go bananas about this. In that case, they are abject cowards and they're showing that they'll never, ever, ever be straight with us. When people show you who they are, believe them. Georgetown is showing who they are. Georgetown will do another sham search. They won't interview people. They'll throw some money at Korn Ferry and make a couple of calls and nothing will go any further and they already know who they want. In which case, why am I here wasting calories For the last month, I actually felt for Lee Reed - that he got cut out of the last "search", that he takes all of this flack for hiring Ewing, which he had no agency or power over, that he probably didn't deserve. This really wiped that all away. Stop wasting calories it’s that simple. Good riddance…
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 2, 2022 13:20:41 GMT -5
I won’t be surprised to see a handful of transfers at the end of the season. The running line has been despite the record, Ewing hasn’t lost the team, but if they all leave for greener pastures at the end of the season then that speaks for itself in my mind. Yes, you could argue it’s the nature of college ball, but as woeful as Butler has been the past 2 seasons, they haven’t experienced the mass exodus that losing often promotes. Whether that makes room for experienced transfers that will help and not hurt, maybe, but my floor is 0.500 in conference. I would hate to go 2-18 or whatever next year and that somehow gets construed as an improvement.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Mar 2, 2022 13:22:11 GMT -5
Now can we as a fan base move on from the fire coach Ewing debacle. Let’s support the team and coaching staff to finish out the regular season and BET. I need to know how I can "support the team and coaching staff". When they continue to play poorly, lose their remaining games, and the coach blames the players...what should I d0? Should I note that possibly ONE particular player had a good game and post how exciting that was? Should I claim the team is very young and will improve, when in fact it is not? Should I post and tell friends that the Hoyas are a team on the rise and there is every reason to expect they will return to greatness...and what do I say when they roll their eyes and tell me I am crazy?
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 2, 2022 13:24:07 GMT -5
Friends of mine - who are fellow Hoya fans and who figured out much earlier that Ewing wasn't the right guy - told me that winning the Big East was the worst thing that could have happened. I didn't want to believe it. Now we know it's true. Are you guys really Hoya fans. This nonsense is unbelievable. We won the BET championship. You cannot be Hoya fans and make statement like that on a public forum.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 2, 2022 13:26:31 GMT -5
Now can we as a fan base move on from the fire coach Ewing debacle. Let’s support the team and coaching staff to finish out the regular season and BET. I need to know how I can "support the team and coaching staff". When they continue to play poorly, lose their remaining games, and the coach blames the players...what should I d0? Should I note that possibly ONE particular player had a good game and post how exciting that was? Should I claim the team is very young and will improve, when in fact it is not? Should I post and tell friends that the Hoyas are a team on the rise and there is every reason to expect they will return to greatness...and what do I say when they roll their eyes and tell me I am crazy? How many seniors are on the current team?
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