bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 17, 2022 11:57:49 GMT -5
It seems to me that, in his first year or two, Pat did quite a bit more as an “ambassador” for the program in terms of events, social media, etc. I recall that there was quite a bit of enthusiasm here in the wake of III, who was far more reserved. That seems to have slowed to a trickle, and, while one has to factor in Covid, one can work around that to an extent. I think that’s right, but it’s hard to promote a team that will fall somewhere between 0-20 and 5-15. The biggest thing a coach can do to promote a program is to win games. If that happens, fans will follow. Now, I’ve long thought that our coach hasn’t been visible enough promoting the program. I would like Ewing to do that. To their credit, I felt like I got a few more zoom invitations for events about the program earlier in the year. I haven’t seen those emails in a while. At the end of the day, though, the promotion issues speak to the bigger issues with GU Athletics. It ultimately shouldn’t fall on the coach to manage the marketing. Athletics staff should have a framework to do that. The coach should be involved — I am supportive of the coach having a more prominent role pitching the program both in DC and to alumni. But it’s hard to do that when you’re losing this many games. Maybe we can develop some sort of a pitch in the off season or years to come, but it’s not a quick fix.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2022 12:00:04 GMT -5
It seems to me that, in his first year or two, Pat did quite a bit more as an “ambassador” for the program in terms of events, social media, etc. I recall that there was quite a bit of enthusiasm here in the wake of III, who was far more reserved. That seems to have slowed to a trickle, and, while one has to factor in Covid, one can work around that to an extent. Ewing wasn't afraid to go on the media circuit when he was winning the Big East Tournament and headed to the NCAAs. Now it's like he's in witness protection. He's a front runner who blames others when things go poorly but wants the glory and the $ when things go well. That's who he is as a leader - we've had 5 years to see it. I think you're wrong about Ewing!! That is character assassination! Who is to blame, no one but himself, the players he recruited and and the system he's operating in. Obviously he's aware of the chatter!! What do you expect him to say, and would it make a difference to "headhunters" such as yourself?
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2022 12:03:59 GMT -5
Yeah as proud as I am for the school growing in soccer, if we didn’t end up with some great coaches, let’s be real we would be a no-sport school right now which isn’t acceptable when you commit so much money to bball I dont know it, but I believe basketball is the sport whose revenue over the years and (tears, smiling) underwrites many other sports of the university.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2022 12:04:15 GMT -5
Ewing wasn't afraid to go on the media circuit when he was winning the Big East Tournament and headed to the NCAAs. Now it's like he's in witness protection. He's a front runner who blames others when things go poorly but wants the glory and the $ when things go well. That's who he is as a leader - we've had 5 years to see it. I think you're wrong about Ewing!! That is character assassination! Who is to blame, no one but himself, the players he recruited and and the system he's operating in. Obviously he's aware of the chatter!! What do you expect him to say, and would it make a difference to "headhunters" such as yourself? Character assasination aside, how do you know he’s aware?
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 17, 2022 12:19:41 GMT -5
I think you're wrong about Ewing!! That is character assassination! Who is to blame, no one but himself, the players he recruited and and the system he's operating in. Obviously he's aware of the chatter!! What do you expect him to say, and would it make a difference to "headhunters" such as yourself? Character assasination aside, how do you know he’s aware? I’m no fan of where things are, but I will defend Ewing here. It’s no surprise to me that he did more media appearances after making a huge run through the BET in Madison Square Garden than he is right now after losing by 19 to St. John’s. I highly doubt that ESPN’s latest morning show is calling him to get his latest take on a loss to a mediocre TCU team or losses to Butler and St. John’s. It is fair to criticize those losses, but I don’t think it’s right to say that Ewing is dodging accountability. The bigger problem as I see it is that the media doesn’t really care, locally or nationally, about where the program is right now. We are irrelevant, except for the rare moments when we do something magical on a big stage, and it gets attention. Patrick Ewing is a competitor, and he expects to win. You can say many things about him, but I have no doubt he wants to win these games more than all of us on this board put together. People handle that competitiveness differently. I can’t say he always says the right things. Sometimes, I do think he’s too critical on his players. But I also get that he’s in a much different position than I am. I have no doubt that he feels responsible for this team and is frustrated by the lack of results. Again, it’s not like he is trying to lose. I think there are a lot of fair critiques of Ewing out there, but I’m not going to pick apart media appearances or the lack thereof in a historically bad campaign.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Jan 17, 2022 12:19:54 GMT -5
We’re just setting up an even MORE improbable run to the Big East Tournament title
Can’t wait to be the first 10-25 team in the NCAA Tournament
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 17, 2022 12:30:09 GMT -5
Yeah as proud as I am for the school growing in soccer, if we didn’t end up with some great coaches, let’s be real we would be a no-sport school right now which isn’t acceptable when you commit so much money to bball I dont know it, but I believe basketball is the sport whose revenue over the years and (tears, smiling) underwrites many other sports of the university. Yeahhh but that kind of plays into some people’s including mine that the school is apathetic to the success here as long as they collect the tv paycheck which would likely yield if Ewing were to ever leave on his on accord in the future, getting some young cheap mediocre coach that just saves dollars and cents
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Post by DonkDonk on Jan 17, 2022 12:37:53 GMT -5
It's conceivable that DeGioia could muster up the courage if Patrick were present at the press conference to announce he "was spending more time with his family", mutual decision, focus on his health, etc. and he was ready to hand off the reins to Louis Orr or another existing assistant. I was wondering if this recent COVID issue might give rise to such an opportunity. Further, I think DeGioia would need a few other area alum players were there at the table as a sign of support for the program/DeGioia and reminding everyone that Patrick will always be part of the family. I believe DeGioia is hyper-aware of perceptions of him/Georgetown's profile in this racial climate and he would never do anything that would give the public the slightest sense he is attacking or found fault with Patrick.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 17, 2022 13:18:46 GMT -5
Character assasination aside, how do you know he’s aware? I’m no fan of where things are, but I will defend Ewing here. It’s no surprise to me that he did more media appearances after making a huge run through the BET in Madison Square Garden than he is right now after losing by 19 to St. John’s. I highly doubt that ESPN’s latest morning show is calling him to get his latest take on a loss to a mediocre TCU team or losses to Butler and St. John’s. It is fair to criticize those losses, but I don’t think it’s right to say that Ewing is dodging accountability. The bigger problem as I see it is that the media doesn’t really care, locally or nationally, about where the program is right now. We are irrelevant, except for the rare moments when we do something magical on a big stage, and it gets attention. Patrick Ewing is a competitor, and he expects to win. You can say many things about him, but I have no doubt he wants to win these games more than all of us on this board put together. People handle that competitiveness differently. I can’t say he always says the right things. Sometimes, I do think he’s too critical on his players. But I also get that he’s in a much different position than I am. I have no doubt that he feels responsible for this team and is frustrated by the lack of results. Again, it’s not like he is trying to lose. I think there are a lot of fair critiques of Ewing out there, but I’m not going to pick apart media appearances or the lack thereof in a historically bad campaign. I don’t think anyone doubts that he wants to compete and win games, anyone who’s had the successes (and failures) that he’s had in his career as a player is going to want to win. The issue is that after 5 years, he hasn’t figured out HOW to get this done on a consistent basis. Whether you want to blame the defensive strategy, the offensive production, personnel who don’t fit with what Ewing wants to do on either side of the ball, guys transferring or getting kicked out, all of it ultimately boils down to coaching and recruiting decisions made by Ewing as the head coach. To add insult to injury, this may not be a fair assessment since I only see him on the sidelines during games, but he doesn’t really read as the type of guy who can motivate a young group of guys when the losing starts to get into their heads. I seem to recall last years season turned around after a players only meeting, right? If Ewing is gonna stay and honestly I don’t personally think he should, he needs to abandon what he’s doing, get a new group of assistants to serve essentially as his OC and DC, and turn his focus on recruiting and team oversight. I don’t doubt his eye for talent, but I’m not sure he knows how to make the pieces fit. I don’t doubt that he has a strong understanding of the game, but I question whether he can translate what he’s seeing into what our guys are actually capable of doing. I can imagine that it’s incredibly frustrating for him but he can’t continue to beat a square peg into a round hole, eventually it breaks.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2022 14:01:23 GMT -5
I think you're wrong about Ewing!! That is character assassination! Who is to blame, no one but himself, the players he recruited and and the system he's operating in. Obviously he's aware of the chatter!! What do you expect him to say, and would it make a difference to "headhunters" such as yourself? Character assasination aside, how do you know he’s aware? I don't really "know", but as someone referred to his comments during BET about those preaching gloom and doom, and his statement, something to the effect" we started from the bottom, but here we are now..."something to that effect. Anyone on the board should know that the world grows smaller by the day given technology and social media. I think coach has his hands full and is concentrating on doing the things that he can control and influence. He has a helluva big job! But he must have a wide universe, network, of friends, supporters and family who can bend his ear about public opinion of his program, if he chose to listen or hear!
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2022 14:09:01 GMT -5
I dont know it, but I believe basketball is the sport whose revenue over the years and (tears, smiling) underwrites many other sports of the university. Yeahhh but that kind of plays into some people’s including mine that the school is apathetic to the success here as long as they collect the tv paycheck which would likely yield if Ewing were to ever leave on his on accord in the future, getting some young cheap mediocre coach that just saves dollars and cents I dont know, but doubt seriously that the school is apathetic. Somethings you can control and other things you cannot. Somethings play themselves out. I think the coach is trying to win!!!!
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2022 14:45:06 GMT -5
It seems to me that, in his first year or two, Pat did quite a bit more as an “ambassador” for the program in terms of events, social media, etc. I recall that there was quite a bit of enthusiasm here in the wake of III, who was far more reserved. That seems to have slowed to a trickle, and, while one has to factor in Covid, one can work around that to an extent. Those were the days… Oh, where art thou, Pat?
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Post by hoya8 on Jan 17, 2022 17:21:25 GMT -5
Well stated by 'Golden Hoya' "If Ewing is gonna stay ....he needs to get a new group of assistants to serve essentially as his OC and DC, and turn his focus on recruiting and team oversight. I don’t doubt his eye for talent, but I’m not sure he knows how to make the pieces fit. I don’t doubt that he has a strong understanding of the game, but I question whether he can translate what he’s seeing into what our guys are actually capable of doing. I can imagine that it’s incredibly frustrating for him but he can’t continue to beat a square peg into a round hole, eventually it breaks."
It is the truth of upcoming recruits, athletic but lacking basic fundamental skills. The next time someone sets a legitimate 'pick' that may be the first in a long while. Poor, soft passing, introduction to the bounce pass might be helpful. No movement, Beard/Harris dribble, but no one and I mean no one is moving. Open shots, not just open but you wonder if the team is playing 3 against 5? How many uncontested dunks this year?. Five straight possessions saturday where shot clock ran out twice and three times the ball was thrown to a ghost player. You would think with all the competitive ball these lessons would have been taught. Ewing and Orr can't teach the basics fast enough to have a team compete in the Big East.
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 17, 2022 22:19:22 GMT -5
It seems to me that, in his first year or two, Pat did quite a bit more as an “ambassador” for the program in terms of events, social media, etc. I recall that there was quite a bit of enthusiasm here in the wake of III, who was far more reserved. That seems to have slowed to a trickle, and, while one has to factor in Covid, one can work around that to an extent. Ewing wasn't afraid to go on the media circuit when he was winning the Big East Tournament and headed to the NCAAs. Now it's like he's in witness protection. He's a front runner who blames others when things go poorly but wants the glory and the $ when things go well. That's who he is as a leader - we've had 5 years to see it. These kinds of comments about Ewing. Real basketball fans, real Hoya fans, they couldn't write these things. Ewing is doing his best. Ewing is not in this for the money. Ewing is not trying to pull some kind of stunt. He is absolutely qualified to be in this position, and he is absolutely working his ass off. People should take these kinds of comments and turn them sideways
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2022 22:38:02 GMT -5
Ewing wasn't afraid to go on the media circuit when he was winning the Big East Tournament and headed to the NCAAs. Now it's like he's in witness protection. He's a front runner who blames others when things go poorly but wants the glory and the $ when things go well. That's who he is as a leader - we've had 5 years to see it. These kinds of comments about Ewing. Real basketball fans, real Hoya fans, they couldn't write these things. Ewing is doing his best. Ewing is not in this for the money. Ewing is not trying to pull some kind of stunt. He is absolutely qualified to be in this position, and he is absolutely working his ass off. People should take these kinds of comments and turn them sideways Why do you say he is “absolutely qualified” for the position?
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Post by 4aks on Jan 18, 2022 1:30:00 GMT -5
listening to the "in the huddle" on-mic on-camera v St Johns it's clear either Orr didn't want say anything fiery or potentially noteworthy ON CAMERA ... or just wasn't going to happen regardless ... and it instead was foggy meaningless statements ...
FS1 then showed the St Johns huddle , where their coach gave an executable tactic to employ for their next 4 mins of the game -- and they did it, and our modest rally was quickly halted and we sunk behind by 15+
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Post by prhoya on Jan 18, 2022 7:22:17 GMT -5
listening to the "in the huddle" on-mic on-camera v St Johns it's clear either Orr didn't want say anything fiery or potentially noteworthy ON CAMERA ... or just wasn't going to happen regardless ... and it instead was foggy meaningless statements ... FS1 then showed the St Johns huddle , where their coach gave an executable tactic to employ for their next 4 mins of the game -- and they did it, and our modest rally was quickly halted and we sunk behind by 15+ Reminded me of the times FS1 showed JT3 in the huddle and he would ask the players, “ so what are you seeing out there?”
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Post by bigelephant on Jan 18, 2022 7:41:42 GMT -5
C'est la vie!!!( or there about)
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Post by GPHoya on Jan 18, 2022 8:32:46 GMT -5
Is it alright to pray that Coach Ewing, President DeGioia and Athletic Director Reed be infused with the gift of discernment as they make decisions about the future leadership of the basketball program?
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 18, 2022 8:51:32 GMT -5
I've had season tickets since 2002 when I was a student, and as far as I can remember have attended every game since unless I was out of town. Even during the leaner years I always looked forward to the games. ... What I can offer to the 0-20 discussion: one of the teams to go winless in the BE was the first college basketball team I can remember rooting for. It's really, really, really hard to do, and thankfully it's really, really, really unlikely to happen here, I would think. I wouldn't wish it on anybody, certainly not the group of promising but far overmatched and overextended players on this roster, who at least seemed to be trying hard yesterday. I hate that years of program mismanagement from the Basketball office and now years of roster mismanagement from the coaching staff are forcing them into unwinnable matchups against blah St. John's teams, a fate far worse than me being able to hear the benches from the 200 level because it's so empty in Cap One. Also wish I had a hopeful story from the 1994 Miami Hurricanes, but it took them four more years to finally eek out an NCAA appearance, and Leonard Hamilton is a far more gifted coach than anybody sitting on Georgetown's bench right now. With apologies to the LONG suffering FLHoya, his '94 Hurricanes "win" the prize as the objectively worst team in Big East history -- by quite a bit...Not only were they 0-19 in Big East play (one of two winless teams ever in 32 complete years of conference play, incl. the Big East tournament) BUT their average margin of loss was 20.5 (how could a team starring Constantin Popa POSSIBLY be so bad? Uh, question rather answers itself, eh?). Their only two non-double digit losses were to the dualing (dueling?) traitors, Syracuse (by 2, yay!) and Pitt (by 9.) The other winless team (Friars '80) not only were "only" 0-7 but average margin was a mere 10.14 (closest was two point loss to BC). And in case you were wondering, the Big East regular season 0-18 '09 Depaul -- which then won a Big East tourney game! -- "only" averaged losing by a hair less than 15, both regular season (sloset yet another 2 point loss, to Villanova) and then including the tournament good (beating Cincy by ten) and bad (losing next game by 9). Again, relating this NOT because I think it is relevant to our Hoyas, but only because I think it is sorta interesting itself -- and gives me great sympathies to FLHoya (who I hope was a Miami football fan at the same time).
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