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Post by hsaxon on Jan 17, 2022 9:21:51 GMT -5
Exactly. Question, did Mullin resign, get fired, or not have his contract renewed? Mullin was actually trending up when he quit - much better than Ewing’s Hoyas presently. Mullin retired after the death of his brother, I believe - decided the aggravation wasn’t worth it. Yes, that was the report.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 17, 2022 9:26:09 GMT -5
I've had season tickets since 2002 when I was a student, and as far as I can remember have attended every game since unless I was out of town. Even during the leaner years I always looked forward to the games.
This year is different. Attending games seems more like a chore or duty, and I can barely motivate myself to go watch us lose by 20 - and this from someone who lives less than a 10 minute metro ride from the arena.
I'm a natural optimist but it is getting very difficult to find reasons to be positive for the future.
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Post by hsaxon on Jan 17, 2022 9:36:31 GMT -5
Let’s address the elephant in the room. What would need to happen this season for the university and Ewing to part ways at the end of the season? Is there a scenario where the university initiates a change? I don’t think there is a scenario where the university initiates a change, barring off court issues. DeGioia certainly doesn’t want to make a change. The 2020 Big East tournament and coronavirus challenges probably provide enough cover to not make a move. Dikembe Mutombo is now on the Board of Directors and would also likely voice strong opposition to a change. Any “ugliness” at home games from now on would be in the form of even sparser crowds. Can’t see any booing or other vitriol being directed at Ewing during games, given what he has meant to the program and university. And even if classes are back in person towards the end of the season when the weather is nicer, don’t think there is significant student interest anymore and wouldn’t expect to see any planned demonstrations. Also think DeGioia and Reed are aware of how bad the situation is. They hopefully will use all of their influence and power to get Ewing to make many of the long overdue changes to the program. If we finish 4-16 or worse (almost certain that we will), this will be a conversation. I don't know how much real clout the AD has, but he is a lot happier after a win than a loss - I know this. He knows what is happening and the effect of all of the losses and an unsuccessful program. Also, the president cannot be blind to the situation - when the president fired Craig, he said the goad is to have a nationally prominent basketball program.
I think there is a reasonable chance that Patrick steps down after 4-16 or worse, as he cannot be happy with the status quo and it does not look like a clear turnaround is in sight.
If Patrick is on a six-year contract, arguably he would need an extension in coming months to recruit effectively. Can Patrick reasonably ask for an extension? I have to think that we are reaching a decision point.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 17, 2022 9:48:21 GMT -5
At this point, aren’t we just waiting for the Joe Pisarcik fumble that spurred the plane flying over Giants Stadium?
We are at bottom and there is no justification for anything other than wholesale change.
I loved Patrick Ewing the player. My post on the date of his hire was the hope that Patrick the Coach could impact the program the way Patrick the player had. Sadly, he couldn’t.
To paraphrase that plane’s banner “7 years of lousy basketball, we’ve had enough”
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 17, 2022 10:04:51 GMT -5
I disagree with those wanting to be more proactive at this time in trying to force a coaching change. As an alum who has followed the program since I was a boy in the 1970s, I did not want Patrick Ewing as the coach and did not think that the school should go with an unproven coach, no matter how great he was as a player. Unlike JT III who had no connection to the school other than through bloodlines, I did not want to see Ewing try and fail. I still search for slivers of hope that he can turn this around. This fansite gives me an outlet to vent, and vent I do during and after each game. There is no defense, and I can not stand the lack of ball movement on offense, but I show up for the next game and while it is unfortunately becoming too easy to lose, I still hope for the win. I still will wait until season's end to make up my mind about the coach and the direction of the team. I am not certain that calling for a fan revolt is going to help these kids or this program. It has not worked elsewhere and it could further set the program back years. There is talent on this team and while it is clearly poorly constructed, given time and the necessary growing pains it can be the basis for the turnaround we all want, under this coach or another coach. Recruiting is challenging enough and empty arenas make it worse, but having the few remaining diehards publicly calling for firing the coach in mid-season, complaining of the lack of talent on the floor, and generally trashing the program is of little value other than venting out personal frustration and gaining some temporary moment of relief. I am not immune and have written some stupid things in frustration which I later regret. This may be one of them. I know the fear is that without noise the Georgetown Administration will do nothing. I believe that loudest noise possible is the sound of silence in an empty arena during a conference game. If that is not a loud enough message that fans are unhappy then nothing else is going to change that. I largely agree with all of this. Like you, I was an active voice on this board during the last coaching change, and, like you, I was opposed to Ewing’s hire. I was concerned about his ability to adapt to the college games and thought the program would benefit from some fresh ideas. Plus, the job was really desirable at the time, and I was disappointed that it did not appear we made a significant effort to interview a variety of candidates for the position. Once we hired Ewing, I switched focus to trying to offer my support for him. I hoped his positive attributes (NBA legend, connections to the best run in the program’s history, competitiveness) would bring enough to win. He has done better than I expected in some areas of the game. He has generally recruited pretty well, and his players generally improve individually if they buy in. He has failed, though, to build teams that play well together or have consistent success year in and year out. Other than last year’s run, there have been only several blips of success. Ewing has had time to build this program. It’s unfair to the program really to blame things at this point on his predecessors. Whether he picked them or not, this is his staff. The players are people he recruited for these positions. Ewing leads the practices. He sets the scheme. He calls the plays in the huddle. This is college basketball — there isn’t a GM. This is Ewing’s team. That said, I have never believed in making judgments about a team in the middle of a season. It’s not fair. I get that plenty of fans do. I pull for Alabama in the SEC, a league that’s perfectly willing to cast aside a coach mid-season in practically any sport. Nonetheless, I’ve always believed that you should give any staff the full season and judge a team on the body of work. The topic of this thread is whether we will go 0-20. I’m on record saying it’s possible, and I think 3 wins is the ceiling for this team. I could be wrong, and I hope I am. Maybe this team miraculously turns itself around, and we finish with a winning record. I do not expect it, but I would welcome it. If Ewing makes that happen, good for him! If he doesn’t and we finish in the 3-17 range, I think there needs to be a comprehensive look at every facet of the program. What that looks like, I’ll decide at the end of the season. Finally, I’ll add a note of caution. When I say a comprehensive look, I do not necessarily mean a coaching change. I agreed with the decision to hire JTIII, but the nature of that “search” changed me. I am far from convinced that Georgetown has the will to move this program forward. This is the same program that apparently has a chief of staff in a ceremonial role in an era where every staff position is a prized opportunity to grow a team. Right now, this team needs to show it can compete in the worst way. College sports are changing quickly. Teams like Villanova are keeping up. We are not. I hope it changes, but unfortunately I am not especially optimistic, this year or moving forward. I’m not going to push right now for a change.
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 17, 2022 10:09:58 GMT -5
Esherick -- who had signed an extension the year before -- and JTII, who had two years (at least) to run on his contract, ended up being fired when the team lost a bunch of games in a row to end the season, on top of mediocre at best results during the year. Esherick had the added ignnominy of barely qualifying for the Big East tournament: back then, the bottom 4 teams didn't get to go, and only because Miami (I think it was) lost their last game on a Saturday night did the Hoyas (who had gotten thumped at home earlier that day) back into the tournament (and then lost their first game). As I recall the crowd during that last Saturday game at then-MCI Center was extremely, vocally displeased with the performance. And JTIII not only lost out to end a season that had already been so disappointing he wasn't introduced a home games (speculation was for fear he'd get boo'd -- which I think he would have), BUT then the great hope for a future, up-tempo point guard-centric game (Tremont Waters) announced via twitter during the Big East tourney final that he wanted to re-open his recruiting. It seemed to just force the hand of those in a position to implement a change. I have to think the attendance cratering, and its financial impact (which might not be much compared to TV money but it certainly is SOMETHING), will have an impact too. With only a year left on his contract, you'd think at the end of this year the admin. will either have to extend Patrick in order to be able to recruit at all, OR decide a change is needed. So I do think things could happen at year's end if the results don't turn around. Not saying I think a change should be made (there's enough opinion on that on the Board already), just that -- in large part based on history -- one certainly could...
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Post by vv83 on Jan 17, 2022 10:10:07 GMT -5
If DeGoia is actually watching the games - he knows that the product on the court is a disaster. Sure, there are good moments, and some of the young guys show improvement at times. But the complete lack of running any kind of cohesive offense or defense is the key indicator. The players are out there just kind of running around, with only the most rudimentary strategic approach on either end of the court.
The last three games are actually pretty shocking. We were playing mediocre at best basketball prior to the covid break. But we at least were competitive with Syracuse and TCU - two middle tier major conference programs. We actually beat Syracuse, and might have beat TCU (which has something like a 12-2 record) if Dante had played. We were still sloppy on both ends in those games, but we had enough stretches with a competent approach to be competitive in these games.
But in the last three games - wow. Simply the worst offense and defense that I have seen a Hoya team play in my 40 plus years as a fan. It is downright bizarre. Even in previous Ewing seasons - there were big problems with the defensive scheme, and sporadic issues with the offensive scheme. But the junk we have been running for these last three games is amateur hour stuff. Missing players and coaches due to covid contributes to the problems. But these absences don't account for the incredibly sloppiness and lack of direction the team has played with for these three games. No team should fall apart like this because a couple of players/coaches are missing games. Were we likely to lose all three games in part due to the covid absences - absolutely. But we have gone way beyond losing to playing with a complete lack of direction and discipline.
This is what leads me to think that it is time for Ewing and his staff to move on. It has to be primarily on the coaching staff when a team is playing this low a level of fundamental, strategic basketball. Throw in the fact that the program has regressed over time in this area, and even regressed dramatically within this season in terms of scheme and basketball IQ.
Could a fundamentally young team improve in these areas over the course of the season? Absolutely. But when you are in year 5 of a rebuild that has had all kinds of issues mixed in with occasional stretches of good, hope-inducing play - we have to be honest with ourselves, this staff is failing, and there is more than enough evidence to presume that the odds of this staff turning things around are quite low.
The immediate future is rough either way - if we keep this staff, we are taking a very low odds gamble that this coaching staff will figure it out, and the players will respond. If we move on to a new coaching staff - we probably lose half the team/incoming recruits and start from scratch at a much lower level than Ewing had to when he started. Ewing had Govan, Derrickson, Peak - if we move to a new staff next season, we won't have one player nearly as good as any of these three, unless the new coach is incredibly good at working the transfer portal.
I hate to be so negative, especially about one of my sports heroes. But Ewing is not getting it done, and 5 years of evidence topped off by this season's snowballing mess seems to make the next move for then program clear.
Now I will desperately hope that Ewing supporters on this board will be able to quote my recent negative posts back at me derisively as they celebrate the comeback roll the team goes on over the final 2 months of the season!
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Post by Elvado on Jan 17, 2022 10:18:02 GMT -5
If DeGoia is actually watching the games - he knows that the product on the court is a disaster. Sure, there are good moments, and some of the young guys show improvement at times. But the complete lack of running any kind of cohesive offense or defense is the key indicator. The players are out there just kind of running around, with only the most rudimentary strategic approach on either end of the court. The last three games are actually pretty shocking. We were playing mediocre at best basketball prior to the covid break. But we at least were competitive with Syracuse and TCU - two middle tier major conference programs. We actually beat Syracuse, and might have beat TCU (which has something like a 12-2 record) if Dante had played. We were still sloppy on both ends in those games, but we had enough stretches with a competent approach to be competitive in these games. But in the last three games - wow. Simply the worst offense and defense that I have seen a Hoya team play in my 40 plus years as a fan. It is downright bizarre. Even in previous Ewing seasons - there were big problems with the defensive scheme, and sporadic issues with the offensive scheme. But the junk we have been running for these last three games is amateur hour stuff. Missing players and coaches due to covid contributes to the problems. But these absences don't account for the incredibly sloppiness and lack of direction the team has played with for these three games. No team should fall apart like this because a couple of players/coaches are missing games. Were we likely to lose all three games in part due to the covid absences - absolutely. But we have gone way beyond losing to playing with a complete lack of direction and discipline. This is what leads me to think that it is time for Ewing and his staff to move on. It has to be primarily on the coaching staff when a team is playing this low a level of fundamental, strategic basketball. Throw in the fact that the program has regressed over time in this area, and even regressed dramatically within this season in terms of scheme and basketball IQ. Could a fundamentally young team improve in these areas over the course of the season? Absolutely. But when you are in year 5 of a rebuild that has had all kinds of issues mixed in with occasional stretches of good, hope-inducing play - we have to be honest with ourselves, this staff is failing, and there is more than enough evidence to presume that the odds of this staff turning things around are quite low. The immediate future is rough either way - if we keep this staff, we are taking a very low odds gamble that this coaching staff will figure it out, and the players will respond. If we move on to a new coaching staff - we probably lose half the team/incoming recruits and start from scratch at a much lower level than Ewing had to when he started. Ewing had Govan, Derrickson, Peak - if we move to a new staff next season, we won't have one player nearly as good as any of these three, unless the new coach is incredibly good at working the transfer portal. I hate to be so negative, especially about one of my sports heroes. But Ewing is not getting it done, and 5 years of evidence topped off by this season's snowballing mess seems to make the next move for then program clear. Now I will desperately hope that Ewing supporters on this board will be able to quote my recent negative posts back at me derisively as they celebrate the comeback roll the team goes on over the final 2 months of the season! Spoken in the voice that only a Hoya, Giant, Met fan can truly understand
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2022 11:05:25 GMT -5
Who can help with recruiting? We have not had a collectively strong team yet! There are so many weak points. One or two very strong players or student athletes could or would have made a difference, but players have no one to lean on.
So many calling for Ewing's head, I understand the frustrations but wish there was a way to help him/us win consistently. If those calling for his head win, it will be a terrible stain on Georgetown.
For those lamenting student or live audiences remember this is not a one horse town. Georgetown is on the western edge of the city, and there would have to be a helluva team to pull residents of the DMV downtown or to McDonough Arena. It is NOT an easy access place for anyone wanting to attend a game. People/student have too many options and would have to have compelling reasons to spend money and time getting to a Hoya game. There were thoughts of building an arena on or around campus, what happen to that? For me, and others cable TV is a better option. But the product itself has been poor for a long time in my opinion,far beyond Ewing. Still I am life-long fan, I was born at Georgetown, and much more. I will always be a supporter. Ewing, for many reasons has not had success and the past cannot be changed. What changes could help us succeed in the immediate future?
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Post by calhoya on Jan 17, 2022 11:06:09 GMT -5
I disagree with those wanting to be more proactive at this time in trying to force a coaching change. As an alum who has followed the program since I was a boy in the 1970s, I did not want Patrick Ewing as the coach and did not think that the school should go with an unproven coach, no matter how great he was as a player. Unlike JT III who had no connection to the school other than through bloodlines, I did not want to see Ewing try and fail. I still search for slivers of hope that he can turn this around. This fansite gives me an outlet to vent, and vent I do during and after each game. There is no defense, and I can not stand the lack of ball movement on offense, but I show up for the next game and while it is unfortunately becoming too easy to lose, I still hope for the win. I still will wait until season's end to make up my mind about the coach and the direction of the team. I am not certain that calling for a fan revolt is going to help these kids or this program. It has not worked elsewhere and it could further set the program back years. There is talent on this team and while it is clearly poorly constructed, given time and the necessary growing pains it can be the basis for the turnaround we all want, under this coach or another coach. Recruiting is challenging enough and empty arenas make it worse, but having the few remaining diehards publicly calling for firing the coach in mid-season, complaining of the lack of talent on the floor, and generally trashing the program is of little value other than venting out personal frustration and gaining some temporary moment of relief. I am not immune and have written some stupid things in frustration which I later regret. This may be one of them. I know the fear is that without noise the Georgetown Administration will do nothing. I believe that loudest noise possible is the sound of silence in an empty arena during a conference game. If that is not a loud enough message that fans are unhappy then nothing else is going to change that. Respectfully I disagree. Voicing dissatisfaction is the only power we as alumni and fans have as an agent of change. Doing nothing can be interpreted as tacit approval of the current situation and gives the leadership cover to do nothing. Again with the Giants analogy, but John Mara desperately wanted to keep Joe Judge and didn’t fire him on Black Monday as most other teams do. But the media and fan reaction following the inaction forced his hand. I understand your position and think we just approach this situation differently. As a Giants fan, I have shared the misery of a horrible football team for too long. Agree with everything you say about Mara and the Giants and Joe Judge. However, this is not professional football and these are mostly 18-22 year old kids, who while "compensated" are not in the same category as professionals. Joe Judge was not a Giant great. Ewing accepted the job and with it the responsibility of making the program successful, but for what he has done for the school and the program, I feel that he deserves the year before we pass final judgment. Believe me, I am more likely than not going to be on the same side of the fence when it is done barring a miracle, but for now I prefer to let it play out. I am not certain it is helpful to the long-term health of the program to pile on during a season where growth is still possible. Ryan and Tyler and Aminu and Jalin and Holloaway and Harris and the rest can emerge from this as better players. Hard to progress though when everyone around is telling you how hopeless it all is and it's easier to just plan your next stop in the transfer portal. Social media is not a part of my daily life but from this fansite alone you can imagine what these players think when they see the various comments.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 17, 2022 11:09:25 GMT -5
I've had season tickets since 2002 when I was a student, and as far as I can remember have attended every game since unless I was out of town. Even during the leaner years I always looked forward to the games. This year is different. Attending games seems more like a chore or duty, and I can barely motivate myself to go watch us lose by 20 - and this from someone who lives less than a 10 minute metro ride from the arena. I'm a natural optimist but it is getting very difficult to find reasons to be positive for the future. My "tenure" and experience is similar. I've attended 3 of the 10 home games so far, and at best I might attend 3 more. Not once has choosing not to attend been a hard decision, or one that I felt remotely bad about. It was clear quite early that my 21st set of season tickets was a complete sunk cost. (*That's not entirely true--I now know multiple people over the past two in-person seasons who have requested and been granted partial refunds b/c they informed the Ticket Office they were done with it all.) It's hard to characterize how unpleasant it feels attending games right now. I was around in 2017 and experienced the rising toxicity, and in 2004 to watch the Esherick era finally hollow itself out. This is something different. There's an odd sense of emptiness, of secondhand embarrassment, of being unsure why you're even here. The closest I can liken it to is returning to your hometown and visiting a Deadmall you once hung out in. I miss the good memories, but it's just unsettling being in there, and what am I rooting for, the Chick Fil-A in the food court to come back? I do sympathize to some degree with the ticket office. Just last week, they dropped 4 more free vouchers into every season ticket holder's account. They certainly see the numbers, and must know just how dark it is, and will continue to be. What I can offer to the 0-20 discussion: one of the teams to go winless in the BE was the first college basketball team I can remember rooting for. It's really, really, really hard to do, and thankfully it's really, really, really unlikely to happen here, I would think. I wouldn't wish it on anybody, certainly not the group of promising but far overmatched and overextended players on this roster, who at least seemed to be trying hard yesterday. I hate that years of program mismanagement from the Basketball office and now years of roster mismanagement from the coaching staff are forcing them into unwinnable matchups against blah St. John's teams, a fate far worse than me being able to hear the benches from the 200 level because it's so empty in Cap One. Also wish I had a hopeful story from the 1994 Miami Hurricanes, but it took them four more years to finally eek out an NCAA appearance, and Leonard Hamilton is a far more gifted coach than anybody sitting on Georgetown's bench right now.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2022 11:10:00 GMT -5
Who can help with recruiting? We have not had a collectively strong team yet! There are so many weak points. One or two very strong players or student athletes could or would have made a difference, but players have no one to lean on. So many calling for Ewing's head, I understand the frustrations but wish there was a way to help him/us win consistently. If those calling for his head win, it will be a terrible stain on Georgetown.For those lamenting student or live audiences remember this is not a one horse town. Georgetown is on the edge of the city, and there would have to be a helluva team to pull residents of the DMV downtown to McDonough Arena. It is NOT an easy access place. People/student have too many options and would have to have compelling reasons to spend money and time getting to a Hoya game. Cable TV is a better option. But the product has been poor fir a ling time in my opinion,far beyond Ewing. Still I am life-long fan, I was born there, and much more. Ewing for many reasons has not had success and the past cannot be changed. What changes could help us succeed in the immediate future? By NCAA rules, the only people who can recruit off campus are Ewing and the three assistant coaches. It falls on them to recruit. Obviously, winning indirectly helps recruiting because high school kids want to be on good teams, where they are going to win a lot of games and have fun. This is something that, if it is going to be fixed, would need to be fixed by Ewing. And, as an aside, I don't think recruiting, at this point, is the number one issue. Surely, we would be better with better players (stating the obvious), but this group is better than they are playing, and that's not something that can be fixed with recruiting. As far as the "terrible stain on Georgetown," I agree that if Ewing and Georgetown need to part ways that will not be a good thing and a sad day, but it is a risk the university took in hiring him. I think it would be a much greater "stain on Georgetown," to allow the greatest player in Georgetown history to drive the program into the ground indefinitely (thereby destroying some of the program he himself was so instrumental in building) simply because his past makes it difficult to change anything.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 17, 2022 11:18:10 GMT -5
So many calling for Ewing's head, I understand the frustrations but wish there was a way to help him/us win consistently. If those calling for his head win, it will be a terrible stain on Georgetown. Isn’t being historically bad a bigger stain? Esh’s last game drew 11.000 and JTIII’s last game drew 15,000 (granted, Villanova but still can you imagine 15K coming for that game now?). So, same city, same fanbase, same arena, and same dismal situation but yet a lot of people managed to show. The level of apathy as measured by attendance is fundamentally different now and can’t be explained away by the location of the arena. A good team will bring people back but you have to wonder if the foundation of the fanbase has been eroded so badly that how many people come for a good team? Too many more years of a disaster like this and it can’t be very many.
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Post by practice on Jan 17, 2022 11:25:34 GMT -5
Who can help with recruiting? We have not had a collectively strong team yet! There are so many weak points. One or two very strong players or student athletes could or would have made a difference, but players have no one to lean on. So many calling for Ewing's head, I understand the frustrations but wish there was a way to help him/us win consistently. If those calling for his head win, it will be a terrible stain on Georgetown. For those lamenting student or live audiences remember this is not a one horse town. Georgetown is on the western edge of the city, and there would have to be a helluva team to pull residents of the DMV downtown or to McDonough Arena. It is NOT an easy access place for anyone wanting to attend a game. People/student have too many options and would have to have compelling reasons to spend money and time getting to a Hoya game. There were thoughts of building an arena on or around campus, what happen to that? For me, and others cable TV is a better option. But the product itself has been poor for a long time in my opinion,far beyond Ewing. Still I am life-long fan, I was born at Georgetown, and much more. I will always be a supporter. Ewing, for many reasons has not had success and the past cannot be changed. What changes could help us succeed in the immediate future? You are correct - there are many entertainment options in DC -- but attendance is declining -- www.hoyabasketball.com/records/bb_homeatt.htm. I've skipped multiple games this season, and Covid was the reason really only for the Marquette game. After five years, there's really only one place to put the blame -- it's on Ewing. I've spent the last five years defending him -- and explaining to others all of the situations that have led to depleted rosters. I've given him credit for spotting some talent and for going on some runs. But, the fact is that his teams have not been good. Yes, there was the BE Tournament run ... but that's about it. When he did manage to put together a good roster, it blew up by early December. Big time coaching is a results driven business .. and the results stink. It can't be "wait til next year" every year. Look at Iowa State -- that coach has like 2 players from last year. College basketball in 2022 is - for better or worse - a game in which a good coach can completely reinvent a roster year to year and still win. Ewing can't do that ... and he can't do it the old school way either because kids transfer at an alarming rate. Seriously, what gives you or anyone else any hope that Ewing can ever get a team to the Final Four? Isn't that what our expectations should be? He can't get this team to the top four of the Big East! Five years is long enough.
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Post by practice on Jan 17, 2022 11:30:49 GMT -5
Let me just add ... I blocked Hoya9797 a few years ago, because I thought he/she was extremely unfair to Ewing and never game him a chance. I don't regret that decision, because I honestly was giving Ewing a chance and thought he needed 3 to 5 years to find himself as a coach and create a new identity for the program that reflected his coaching philosophy.
These days I still think 9797 goes a little too far in criticism -- but I have to say, in general my views on Ewing as HC have slowly but steadily drifted towards the Hoya9797 camp. I'll still defend where I can and I still root for the team -- and Ewing -- but as a fan of the program, I think it's time for a major change.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2022 11:33:46 GMT -5
If you compare the number of games played to those former coaches he is being compared against, Ewing is not yet reaching those number of games. No, recruiting alone has not been the issue, maybe retaining of players. So many stupid or regrettable things have been done that required players to have to leave. The Thompsons managed that process better.
This period of Hoya basketball is not good...so many "what ifs"!!! I don't know what the solution is. However,I don't think Ewing alone is the issue. I don't want him to leave, I want the team, the university, to make improvements to turn this ship around. And that includes overall marketing.
I wonder what watching his team from a distance, unable to influence the outcome has revealed to the coach? We have good guys coaching our team!! This is a cunmumbrum!
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 17, 2022 11:36:58 GMT -5
It seems to me that, in his first year or two, Pat did quite a bit more as an “ambassador” for the program in terms of events, social media, etc. I recall that there was quite a bit of enthusiasm here in the wake of III, who was far more reserved. That seems to have slowed to a trickle, and, while one has to factor in Covid, one can work around that to an extent.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 17, 2022 11:42:09 GMT -5
It seems to me that, in his first year or two, Pat did quite a bit more as an “ambassador” for the program in terms of events, social media, etc. I recall that there was quite a bit of enthusiasm here in the wake of III, who was far more reserved. That seems to have slowed to a trickle, and, while one has to factor in Covid, one can work around that to an extent. Ewing wasn't afraid to go on the media circuit when he was winning the Big East Tournament and headed to the NCAAs. Now it's like he's in witness protection. He's a front runner who blames others when things go poorly but wants the glory and the $ when things go well. That's who he is as a leader - we've had 5 years to see it.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2022 11:48:05 GMT -5
Who can help with recruiting? We have not had a collectively strong team yet! There are so many weak points. One or two very strong players or student athletes could or would have made a difference, but players have no one to lean on. So many calling for Ewing's head, I understand the frustrations but wish there was a way to help him/us win consistently. If those calling for his head win, it will be a terrible stain on Georgetown. For those lamenting student or live audiences remember this is not a one horse town. Georgetown is on the western edge of the city, and there would have to be a helluva team to pull residents of the DMV downtown or to McDonough Arena. It is NOT an easy access place for anyone wanting to attend a game. People/student have too many options and would have to have compelling reasons to spend money and time getting to a Hoya game. There were thoughts of building an arena on or around campus, what happen to that? For me, and others cable TV is a better option. But the product itself has been poor for a long time in my opinion,far beyond Ewing. Still I am life-long fan, I was born at Georgetown, and much more. I will always be a supporter. Ewing, for many reasons has not had success and the past cannot be changed. What changes could help us succeed in the immediate future? You are correct - there are many entertainment options in DC -- but attendance is declining -- www.hoyabasketball.com/records/bb_homeatt.htm. I've skipped multiple games this season, and Covid was the reason really only for the Marquette game. After five years, there's really only one place to put the blame -- it's on Ewing. I've spent the last five years defending him -- and explaining to others all of the situations that have led to depleted rosters. I've given him credit for spotting some talent and for going on some runs. But, the fact is that his teams have not been good. Yes, there was the BE Tournament run ... but that's about it. When he did manage to put together a good roster, it blew up by early December. Big time coaching is a results driven business .. and the results stink. It can't be "wait til next year" every year. Look at Iowa State -- that coach has like 2 players from last year. College basketball in 2022 is - for better or worse - a game in which a good coach can completely reinvent a roster year to year and still win. Ewing can't do that ... and he can't do it the old school way either because kids transfer at an alarming rate. Seriously, what gives you or anyone else any hope that Ewing can ever get a team to the Final Four? Isn't that what our expectations should be? He can't get this team to the top four of the Big East! Five years is long enough. Practice, maybe 5 years is enough. I don't you're comparing apples to apples regarding eras or colleges. The concern is that Georgetown (GWU and American, don't jump on this) are basketball centered universities no other sports matters as much as basketball; and yes,it's true, we have not had the kind of success we all hope for or expect. Winning changes everything. The coaches that followed Big John [3-4 Final Fours during Ewing's career] had/have giant boots to step into, and none have been successful! Whatever happens happens, I would like Ewing & Company to turn this around. Not sure he has the tools collectively (University system) to succeed.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 17, 2022 11:55:37 GMT -5
Yeah as proud as I am for the school growing in soccer, if we didn’t end up with some great coaches, let’s be real we would be a no-sport school right now which isn’t acceptable when you commit so much money to bball
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