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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 16, 2022 19:42:19 GMT -5
I have been a Hoya fan for 43 years. Plenty of ups, and my share of downs.
I have never seen such a disjointed, disinterested, broken and too often selfish unit. I don't see how we win a Big East game. Maybe if Rice goes 9 of 10 from three some night. Not even sure if that would be enough.
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Post by hoyaphan on Jan 16, 2022 19:49:09 GMT -5
Looking a lot Mullins last year at St Johns
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Post by drquigley on Jan 16, 2022 19:51:14 GMT -5
Looking a lot Mullins last year at St Johns Exactly. Question, did Mullin resign, get fired, or not have his contract renewed?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 16, 2022 19:59:14 GMT -5
Looking a lot Mullins last year at St Johns Exactly. Question, did Mullin resign, get fired, or not have his contract renewed? Mullin was actually trending up when he quit - much better than Ewing’s Hoyas presently. Mullin retired after the death of his brother, I believe - decided the aggravation wasn’t worth it.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 16, 2022 20:07:28 GMT -5
Looking a lot Mullins last year at St Johns Mullin's last year was his best year. He made the tournament as an at large. This looks nothing like that.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 16, 2022 20:09:28 GMT -5
I know I am one of the most optimistic posters. I think we still get 3-4 wins unless Carey is done for good.
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Post by hoyaphan on Jan 16, 2022 20:11:10 GMT -5
I apologize I thought his last year was 3-4 wins in the BE . My mistake
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 16, 2022 20:14:06 GMT -5
This thing will snowball and pick up traction with the the national media if we get to 0-10 or so. It has the potential to get uglier than JTIII's end, as honestly that wasn't really bad until mid to late February. It's only Jan 16th today, and we have a dozen games or so until we get to that point.
I'm sure DeGioia is praying this doesn't happen, and we can quietly just be bad, like say 2-8. Then it's not a story, and it'll be easier to avoid the subject.
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2022 20:14:15 GMT -5
I apologize I thought his last year was 3-4 wins in the BE . My mistake Hard to keep track of the truth when you got agendas.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 16, 2022 20:14:35 GMT -5
I have been a Hoya fan for 43 years. Plenty of ups, and my share of downs. I have never seen such a disjointed, disinterested, broken and too often selfish unit. I don't see how we win a Big East game. Maybe if Rice goes 9 of 10 from three some night. Not even sure if that would be enough. I consider you one of the more thoughtful, level-headed fans on this board. The fact that you contemplate a winless league season says a lot to me about where we are as a team right now. The problems you point out are clear. They’re impossible to ignore. This is the worst Georgetown team I have ever watched. It’ll be a struggle to win more than 1-2 games, and I think a winless league season is a real possibility. We play little defense, have no inside game, shoot poorly, and turn the ball over. I can’t think of one thing right now the team actually does well. We will be weaker than our opponent in almost every facet of the game. As it stands, I say we get lucky and win a game or two. As the season progresses, teams will start to fall apart. Perhaps we get past a slumping Butler team in Indianapolis (I know, I know, I watched the past game), or we grab a win against DePaul. It’s hard to see many other opportunities out there. We did beat Syracuse, though, and so I could see this team winning a game if they show up for one and play consistently. The fact that I’m sitting here thinking about whether we win 0 league games or 1-3 league games tells me so much about the program right now, though.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 16, 2022 20:18:56 GMT -5
I have been a Hoya fan for 43 years. Plenty of ups, and my share of downs. I have never seen such a disjointed, disinterested, broken and too often selfish unit. I don't see how we win a Big East game. Maybe if Rice goes 9 of 10 from three some night. Not even sure if that would be enough. I consider you one of the more thoughtful, level-headed fans on this board. The fact that you contemplate a winless league season says a lot to me about where we are as a team right now. The problems you point out are clear. They’re impossible to ignore. This is the worst Georgetown team I have ever watched. It’ll be a struggle to win more than 1-2 games, and I think a winless league season is a real possibility. We play little defense, have no inside game, shoot poorly, and turn the ball over. I can’t think of one thing right now the team actually does well. We will be weaker than our opponent in almost every facet of the game. As it stands, I say we get lucky and win a game or two. As the season progresses, teams will start to fall apart. Perhaps we get past a slumping Butler team in Indianapolis (I know, I know, I watched the past game), or we grab a win against DePaul. It’s hard to see many other opportunities out there. We did beat Syracuse, though, and so I could see this team winning a game if they show up for one and play consistently. The fact that I’m sitting here thinking about whether we win 0 league games or 1-3 league games tells me so much about the program right now, though. I have been thinking about it. And it is shocking.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 16, 2022 20:37:14 GMT -5
Let’s not underestimate how important Don Carey is to this team. Whether that should be the case for a sixth year player is another question. I don’t think he’d be the difference between winning and losing a 20 point game, but he could be the difference at some point in the future. Still, 5 wins may be optimistic.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 16, 2022 20:38:05 GMT -5
It seems that the only positives are little two steps forward/one step back for the younger role players, which are not enough to effect outcomes. Halfway into the season we are the same group we were on Day 1.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 16, 2022 20:46:28 GMT -5
Let’s not underestimate how important Don Carey is to this team. Whether that should be the case for a sixth year player is another question. I don’t think he’d be the difference between winning and losing a 20 point game, but he could be the difference at some point in the future. Still, 5 wins may be optimistic. I hate to laugh but 5 wins with the team playing the way it is right now will be a miracle. I'd take the under on that one. These aren't close games where one or two plays go our way and we might pull it out, we're getting waxed night after night.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 16, 2022 20:49:32 GMT -5
I do not want this to happen. At all. But change has to happen at 3-17 or worse right?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 16, 2022 20:50:07 GMT -5
We’ll win one or two games where Rice shoots like 8-11 from deep and Mohammed goes for like 24 and 14, maybe against a team depleted with injuries or sickness. But I think the absolute ceiling is four wins.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 16, 2022 20:55:01 GMT -5
I do not want this to happen. At all. But change has to happen at 3-17 or worse right? You'd think. It would put us at 9-25, be the worst Hoya season since 1971-1972, plus the 25 losses would be a program record. And this would be in Year 5 of a tenure that has yet to produce a winning conference record, so it's not like you could chalk it up as just a weird outlier. If that doesn't indicate a time for a new voice, not sure what would...
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 16, 2022 20:56:06 GMT -5
I do not want this to happen. At all. But change has to happen at 3-17 or worse right? Probably yeah like a sub 10 win season overall is what would have to happen to trigger change. I hate thinking like this, this sucks but hey the worse we do, the more damage we do to Syracuse’s net lol
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Post by thedragon on Jan 16, 2022 20:56:27 GMT -5
We knew coming into the season it would likely be an uphill battle. And then we've been battered with injuries and illness. There's no continuity, chemistry, or confidence. I do think that with a full roster and some consistent units playing together they will get a couple wins. This isn't to make excuses for the staff as I personally think they've run out of the benefit of the doubt.
I'm curious tho - where fans' mindsets are:
Would you rather have a 4-16 BE season, keep the core of the underclassmen on the roster and keep building next season
Or
Would you rather go 0-20 if it meant hitting the full reset button with the program
I would actually take the former. But I wonder if I'm in the minority.
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Post by vv83 on Jan 16, 2022 20:57:26 GMT -5
The last three games were three of the worst games we have played in my 42 years as a Hoya. Just no sense that they have any clear plan on either end of the court. the problem is a lot more than the limited talent (which, make no mistake, a BIG problem). But the complete lack of ball movement on offense, and sound rotations on defense - even with a young team, there is no way to excuse the coaching staff from a hug chunk of the responsibility for the mess we have seen in the three big east games.
At least we seemed to compete for almost the entire game today - I guess that is some form of progress. And Mohammed was definitely forcing the ball into heavy traffic less, and looking to find open teammates when the D started to collapse on him. and rice touched the ball a few times without shooting it . But the progress is so small and incremental - it's hard to feel like any meaningful progress was made today.
I watched the end of Denver Anglin's game today on one of the ESPN stations. He plays quite a bit of point guard, and he is a nice, complete guard. But it is hard to feel enthused about him joining the team next year, as the future of this program feels so completely unsteady. Either we keep the current coach and run out basically the same talent while exchanging a few departing senior/grad starters for a few promising looking recruits. Hard to see that as progress, even if the young players improve. Or we have a new coach, and probably the majority of our roster turns over from what we are projecting now. Either way, next season could easily be every bit as bad as this season.
Such a tough time to feel anything positive about the program.
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