Georgetown @ St Johns 1/16/22 4:30

[DanMcQ]

Defense and communication first.

[bigelephant]

Jan 14, 2022 10:30:59 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Defense and communication first.

First, second, third, and always!

[iowa80]

Is everybody back?

If so, Messrs. Beard, Carey, Mohammed, Ighoefe, and Holloway should start. It won't happen, but everybody has an opinion, and that's mine.

Harris, Rice, and Mutombo make a reasonable bench within their skillsets, along with Billingsley and Clark.

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Jan 14, 2022 13:11:02 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Is everybody back?

If so, Messrs. Beard, Carey, Mohammed, Ighoefe, and Holloway should start. It won't happen, but everybody has an opinion, and that's mine.

Harris, Rice, and Mutombo make a reasonable bench within their skillsets, along with Billingsley and Clark.

Different lineup I'd like to see start over the current one:
Harris, Beard, Carey, Mohammed, Ighoefe

I'm not in love with that hole at the 4, but those are our five best guys. Beard is too deliberate at this point to play with a group of offensive plodders (Holloway, Rice, centers), so hopefully working alongside Harris gets you the best of both on the offensive end.

Defense - play more zone, press more, and accommodate for shortcomings (size, obv) as the game unfolds.

We're getting crushed on the boards? Bring in JBill at the 4 & run bigger lineups.
Need to catch up? Shoot more threes? Rice.
Lack of additional guards? Chuma sees more time, especially on press & top of zone.

Bench in that scenario is: Azinge, Rice, Billingsley/Holloway, Mutombo


I can't do any more Rice at the 4, I don't see Holloway as dynamic enough on either end to be a full-time replacement there, and Billingsley isn't there yet (if he ever gets there). So run with what we've got.

[DanMcQ]

Jan 14, 2022 13:58:08 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

Jan 14, 2022 13:11:02 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Is everybody back?

If so, Messrs. Beard, Carey, Mohammed, Ighoefe, and Holloway should start. It won't happen, but everybody has an opinion, and that's mine.

Harris, Rice, and Mutombo make a reasonable bench within their skillsets, along with Billingsley and Clark.

Different lineup I'd like to see start over the current one:
Harris, Beard, Carey, Mohammed, Ighoefe

I'm not in love with that hole at the 4, but those are our five best guys. Beard is too deliberate at this point to play with a group of offensive plodders (Holloway, Rice, centers), so hopefully working alongside Harris gets you the best of both on the offensive end.

Defense - play more zone, press more, and accommodate for shortcomings (size, obv) as the game unfolds.

We're getting crushed on the boards? Bring in JBill at the 4 & run bigger lineups.
Need to catch up? Shoot more threes? Rice.
Lack of additional guards? Chuma sees more time, especially on press & top of zone.

Bench in that scenario is: Azinge, Rice, Billingsley/Holloway, Mutombo


I can't do any more Rice at the 4, I don't see Holloway as dynamic enough on either end to be a full-time replacement there, and Billingsley isn't there yet (if he ever gets there). So run with what we've got.

I can't argue much with this approach, but it will require an adaptability that has been a bit absent on the part of the coaching staff.

I would give Rice 2 shots within the offense. If they go in, he can stay. If they do not or if they are simply hero ball shots, back to the bench.

[drquigley]

Looks like the game will be nationally televised on Fox. Lay another stinker and you can kiss what’s left of the Georgetown basketball “mystique” goodbye.

[hoyaatheart55]

They are not the same players but moving Blair to the bench last year really helped us. Maybe moving Rice to the bench could bring similar results.

Watching Rice this year has made me really miss and appreciate Blair more.

[prhoya]

Jan 14, 2022 16:14:22 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Looks like the game will be nationally televised on Fox. Lay another stinker and you can kiss what’s left of the Georgetown basketball “mystique” goodbye.

The Villanova game at CapOne too!! Students will turn out and Villanova fans too. How about our DMV fans in the 100s sections shown on tv? Open them up to the students after the first tv timeout.

[jester]

People wanted 5th year option seniors to not come back so the new kids on the block could "not be stunted in their development/go through growing pains". Well, now we have the space for the development with them gone, but you just can't expect same level of play (and the level of play last year wasn't overall great either).

So I am not surprised by the current record, just disappointed by some lack of fundamentals still (cutting, shot selection, defense awareness, etc). I still cant quite tell what we do on offense, and thats not good, and commentator said that in last game. Rice perplexes me, as does Aminu pulling a Wahab and once he gets the ball and collapses defense he doesnt look for the easy assist (although to be fair teammamtes need to anticipate it too. He did seem to concentrate on passing it out at end of last game which I appreciated. Dante has not been strong this year overall, which really puts a lot of pressure on the new guys to perform even better.

We dont really have a tall well-rounded wing, but otherwise some pieces of talent. I think if Jbill steps up a lot more in conference play we will be much better off but that is a lot to ask.

[EasyEd]

Most important next game is to get sick and injured players and coach back.

[conshyhoya]

Jan 14, 2022 14:50:38 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Jan 14, 2022 13:58:08 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

Different lineup I'd like to see start over the current one:
Harris, Beard, Carey, Mohammed, Ighoefe

I'm not in love with that hole at the 4, but those are our five best guys. Beard is too deliberate at this point to play with a group of offensive plodders (Holloway, Rice, centers), so hopefully working alongside Harris gets you the best of both on the offensive end.

Defense - play more zone, press more, and accommodate for shortcomings (size, obv) as the game unfolds.

We're getting crushed on the boards? Bring in JBill at the 4 & run bigger lineups.
Need to catch up? Shoot more threes? Rice.
Lack of additional guards? Chuma sees more time, especially on press & top of zone.

Bench in that scenario is: Azinge, Rice, Billingsley/Holloway, Mutombo


I can't do any more Rice at the 4, I don't see Holloway as dynamic enough on either end to be a full-time replacement there, and Billingsley isn't there yet (if he ever gets there). So run with what we've got.

I can't argue much with this approach, but it will require an adaptability that has been a bit absent on the part of the coaching staff.

I would give Rice 2 shots within the offense. If they go in, he can stay. If they do not or if they are simply hero ball shots, back to the bench.

I agree with his lineup as I don't see Tyler as a starting PG until he cuts down his turnovers. His A/T ratio is bad. He and Dante seem to play better when they are both in. I don't know if I would ever use Rice again once Carey is back. Collin has been hitting his 3s so roll with him instead. JBills and Ryan are the only other 2 that would see the court unless the new guy gets a waiver but at this point I doubt they would have him play this year. Forgot about Clark. I would see what he has too since the little we saw of him against Quette he had active hands and I doubt he would ever go rogue on the offensive side. Kind of like a LeBlanc role with put backs.

I agree with you and I doubt we see this. Also we need to remove the green light from everyone. If that happens maybe give Rice some play if he is only taking set shots.

[iowa80]

Jan 14, 2022 19:11:38 GMT -5 conshyhoya said:

Jan 14, 2022 14:50:38 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

I can't argue much with this approach, but it will require an adaptability that has been a bit absent on the part of the coaching staff.

I would give Rice 2 shots within the offense. If they go in, he can stay. If they do not or if they are simply hero ball shots, back to the bench.

I agree with his lineup as I don't see Tyler as a starting PG until he cuts down his turnovers. His A/T ratio is bad. He and Dante seem to play better when they are both in. I don't know if I would ever use Rice again once Carey is back. Collin has been hitting his 3s so roll with him instead. JBills and Ryan are the only other 2 that would see the court unless the new guy gets a waiver but at this point I doubt they would have him play this year. Forgot about Clark. I would see what he has too since the little we saw of him against Quette he had active hands and I doubt he would ever go rogue on the offensive side. Kind of like a LeBlanc role with put backs.

I agree with you and I doubt we see this. Also we need to remove the green light from everyone. If that happens maybe give Rice some play if he is only taking set shots.

I'm not going hard to the hoop over this, but my reasons for suggesting Tyler starts while Dante sits are: 1) Turnovers yes, but let's give him an extended run to grow in a weak season; 2) Dante can get a feel for the game and still get a lot of minutes; 3) Playing them both together does not give you a substitute option; 4) It's not who starts but who finishes.

[conshyhoya]

Jan 14, 2022 19:19:45 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Jan 14, 2022 19:11:38 GMT -5 conshyhoya said:

I agree with his lineup as I don't see Tyler as a starting PG until he cuts down his turnovers. His A/T ratio is bad. He and Dante seem to play better when they are both in. I don't know if I would ever use Rice again once Carey is back. Collin has been hitting his 3s so roll with him instead. JBills and Ryan are the only other 2 that would see the court unless the new guy gets a waiver but at this point I doubt they would have him play this year. Forgot about Clark. I would see what he has too since the little we saw of him against Quette he had active hands and I doubt he would ever go rogue on the offensive side. Kind of like a LeBlanc role with put backs.

I agree with you and I doubt we see this. Also we need to remove the green light from everyone. If that happens maybe give Rice some play if he is only taking set shots.

I'm not going hard to the hoop over this, but my reasons for suggesting Tyler starts while Dante sits are: 1) Turnovers yes, but let's give him an extended run to grow in a weak season; 2) Dante can get a feel for the game and still get a lot of minutes; 3) Playing them both together does not give you a substitute option; 4) It's not who starts but who finishes.

I can agree with that although Tyler's TO rate is way worse than Harris but Dante's last few games have been really bad so if he continues that trend he will negate that. Tyler certainly has shown enough to give him a run and get it to more of an even distribution of minutes. They have 2 totally different styles so it is like having a change of pace when the other comes in. Good point on the substitution option as Carey definitely isn't someone I would want handling the point.

[tashoya]

Jan 14, 2022 19:11:38 GMT -5 conshyhoya said:

Jan 14, 2022 14:50:38 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

I can't argue much with this approach, but it will require an adaptability that has been a bit absent on the part of the coaching staff.

I would give Rice 2 shots within the offense. If they go in, he can stay. If they do not or if they are simply hero ball shots, back to the bench.

I agree with his lineup as I don't see Tyler as a starting PG until he cuts down his turnovers. His A/T ratio is bad. He and Dante seem to play better when they are both in. I don't know if I would ever use Rice again once Carey is back. Collin has been hitting his 3s so roll with him instead. JBills and Ryan are the only other 2 that would see the court unless the new guy gets a waiver but at this point I doubt they would have him play this year. Forgot about Clark. I would see what he has too since the little we saw of him against Quette he had active hands and I doubt he would ever go rogue on the offensive side. Kind of like a LeBlanc role with put backs.

I agree with you and I doubt we see this. Also we need to remove the green light from everyone. If that happens maybe give Rice some play if he is only taking set shots.

Rice is a game changer if he's hitting shots. Better to find that out earlier than later, IMO, and, likely, best to give him a boost of confidence by starting him. If he's off and taking horrible shots, sit him. But, give him a chance early. That said, we need to find a lineup that can move the ball and get him uncontested looks. When the ball isn't moving, it only adds to his proclivity for taking bad shots. He and Aminu both know that they can change a game with their offense. When they're not being put in a position to do that effectively, neither has shown the ability to adjust. Rice just jacks shots and Aminu goes 1 on 3. I think more ball movement would vastly help both guys.

[daveg023]

Jan 14, 2022 16:14:22 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Looks like the game will be nationally televised on Fox. Lay another stinker and you can kiss what’s left of the Georgetown basketball “mystique” goodbye.

Opposite the Cowboy-Niner game, I wouldn’t worry about too many eyeballs on this game other than at halftime of the football game.

[practice]

Jan 14, 2022 22:13:29 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Jan 14, 2022 19:11:38 GMT -5 conshyhoya said:

I agree with his lineup as I don't see Tyler as a starting PG until he cuts down his turnovers. His A/T ratio is bad. He and Dante seem to play better when they are both in. I don't know if I would ever use Rice again once Carey is back. Collin has been hitting his 3s so roll with him instead. JBills and Ryan are the only other 2 that would see the court unless the new guy gets a waiver but at this point I doubt they would have him play this year. Forgot about Clark. I would see what he has too since the little we saw of him against Quette he had active hands and I doubt he would ever go rogue on the offensive side. Kind of like a LeBlanc role with put backs.

I agree with you and I doubt we see this. Also we need to remove the green light from everyone. If that happens maybe give Rice some play if he is only taking set shots.

Rice is a game changer if he's hitting shots. Better to find that out earlier than later, IMO, and, likely, best to give him a boost of confidence by starting him. If he's off and taking horrible shots, sit him. But, give him a chance early. That said, we need to find a lineup that can move the ball and get him uncontested looks. When the ball isn't moving, it only adds to his proclivity for taking bad shots. He and Aminu both know that they can change a game with their offense. When they're not being put in a position to do that effectively, neither has shown the ability to adjust. Rice just jacks shots and Aminu goes 1 on 3. I think more ball movement would vastly help both guys.

Living and dying with Rice has become seriously risky to the health of the program.   I'd prefer to bring him off the bench for a spark -- or to put an opponent to bed.   

He's a shooter -- and I accept that.   He's shown that when he's hot that he doesn't need to be open, doesn't need to be set, and doesn't need more than a fraction of a second to get his shot off.   It does appear that he'll only launch it about 7 or 8 times when he's not feeling it.   But I don't think he cares about only shooting when he has an uncontested look.   He's going to fire away in the first 10 minutes of the game.   

[hoyasaxa2003]

Jan 15, 2022 11:51:01 GMT -5 practice said:

Jan 14, 2022 22:13:29 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Rice is a game changer if he's hitting shots. Better to find that out earlier than later, IMO, and, likely, best to give him a boost of confidence by starting him. If he's off and taking horrible shots, sit him. But, give him a chance early. That said, we need to find a lineup that can move the ball and get him uncontested looks. When the ball isn't moving, it only adds to his proclivity for taking bad shots. He and Aminu both know that they can change a game with their offense. When they're not being put in a position to do that effectively, neither has shown the ability to adjust. Rice just jacks shots and Aminu goes 1 on 3. I think more ball movement would vastly help both guys.

Living and dying with Rice has become seriously risky to the health of the program.   I'd prefer to bring him off the bench for a spark -- or to put an opponent to bed.   

He's a shooter -- and I accept that.   He's shown that when he's hot that he doesn't need to be open, doesn't need to be set, and doesn't need more than a fraction of a second to get his shot off.   It does appear that he'll only launch it about 7 or 8 times when he's not feeling it.   But I don't think he cares about only shooting when he has an uncontested look.   He's going to fire away in the first 10 minutes of the game.   

For me, on Rice, it's less a matter of whether he starts, etc., and more playing under control. If Rice was playing under control, taking uncontested (or close to uncontested) threes, I would be a lot more comfortable with him launching them, even if he was missing them. What frustrates me is when he gets the ball and launches it up in a split second, and it's not a good shot and he's not set.

Clearly, Rice has some shooting ability and skill, and I would bet in practice he probably gets a very high percent. I really think he needs to slow his game down a bit to hunt for better shots. This isn't entirely his fault, of course, as he'd benefit from being a spot shooter, but our offense needs to generate those opportunities, and they really haven't been there.

But yeah, if Rice comes in and it's not immediately evident he's hot, he probably needs to play fewer minutes. I imagine he's going to play a lot against St. John's though.

[practice]

It doesn't help that Ewing -- really without any apparent sarcasm -- called Rice an elite shooter and compared him to Bird, Miller and Mullin. No wonder he thinks he can make any shot. Forget Curry, Rice is the next generation of elite shooter!

I know no one is going to believe it:

“He’s an elite shooter,” Ewing said. “I’ve had the opportunity to play against guys that were elite shooters: Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller. He’s up with those guys.

“One of the things I keep telling them is that those guys worked on their game every day. He works on his game, and he believes in that shot. When we watched tape on him last year, I’m like, we have to get him.”

www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/11/19/georgetown-siena-graduate-transfers/

[SSHoya]

Jan 15, 2022 13:12:03 GMT -5 practice said:

It doesn't help that Ewing -- really without any apparent sarcasm -- called Rice an elite shooter and compared him to Bird, Miller and Mullin. No wonder he thinks he can make any shot. Forget Curry, Rice is the next generation of elite shooter!

I know no one is going to believe it:

“He’s an elite shooter,” Ewing said. “I’ve had the opportunity to play against guys that were elite shooters: Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller. He’s up with those guys.

“One of the things I keep telling them is that those guys worked on their game every day. He works on his game, and he believes in that shot. When we watched tape on him last year, I’m like, we have to get him.”

www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/11/19/georgetown-siena-graduate-transfers/

There's a line between pumping a guy up and giving him confidence versus giving him a big head and greenlighting him. I don't think anyone here believes Ewing's hyperbole - but that doesn't matter if Rice does and just keeps chucking.

[Elvado]

Jan 15, 2022 13:12:03 GMT -5 practice said:

It doesn't help that Ewing -- really without any apparent sarcasm -- called Rice an elite shooter and compared him to Bird, Miller and Mullin. No wonder he thinks he can make any shot. Forget Curry, Rice is the next generation of elite shooter!

I know no one is going to believe it:

“He’s an elite shooter,” Ewing said. “I’ve had the opportunity to play against guys that were elite shooters: Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller. He’s up with those guys.

“One of the things I keep telling them is that those guys worked on their game every day. He works on his game, and he believes in that shot. When we watched tape on him last year, I’m like, we have to get him.”

www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/11/19/georgetown-siena-graduate-transfers/

If Ewing looked at Rice’s game and had to have him there are only two possibilities:

1. He has zero eye for talent
2. He needs to see an ophthalmologist when he is recuperating.