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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 17, 2021 23:51:34 GMT -5
Agree on Carey and most likely Mohammed being gone next year. Need to land some 5th years and transfers. Unpopular opinion but...what is the rationale with transfers? Are we content being what Bob Huggins was at Cincinnati, or worse, simply recruit all grad transfers (most of whom won't bother to graduate) and simply rebuild each and every year? That's not what basketball at Georgetown should be about. Instead, recruit some local kids from the WCAC who aren't going to jump at the first shiny offer elsewhere and who will be alumni in the fullest sense of the word. |
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 17, 2021 23:58:34 GMT -5
College sports have changed and Georgetown has to adapt like everyone else.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 17, 2021 23:59:17 GMT -5
Agree on Carey and most likely Mohammed being gone next year. Need to land some 5th years and transfers. Unpopular opinion but...what is the rationale with transfers? Are we content being what Bob Huggins was at Cincinnati, or worse, simply recruit all grad transfers (most of whom won't bother to graduate) and simply rebuild each and every year? That's not what basketball at Georgetown should be about. Instead, recruit some local kids from the WCAC who aren't going to jump at the first shiny offer elsewhere and who will be alumni in the fullest sense of the word. Ah, the good old days. Basketball has become a cesspool, you need to wade through the muck to succeed. Otherwise, step aside and let others roll. |
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Post by prhoya on Dec 17, 2021 23:59:36 GMT -5
Agree on Carey and most likely Mohammed being gone next year. Need to land some 5th years and transfers. Unpopular opinion but...what is the rationale with transfers? Are we content being what Bob Huggins was at Cincinnati, or worse, simply recruit all grad transfers (most of whom won't bother to graduate) and simply rebuild each and every year? That's not what basketball at Georgetown should be about. Instead, recruit some local kids from the WCAC who aren't going to jump at the first shiny offer elsewhere and who will be alumni in the fullest sense of the word. Why not have a balance of both? Have a strong local base to stay four years, a diamond in the rough or two from elsewhere and fill holes as needed with proven grads/transfers. Also, a transfer with two or three years of eligibility left could help because you know what you’re getting and they wouldn’t leave without having to seat for a year. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 18, 2021 0:05:12 GMT -5
I think the transfer market should be used to fill key roster spots and to balance classes. Have to win now, there’s no building for an uncertain future.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 18, 2021 0:17:22 GMT -5
College sports have changed and Georgetown has to adapt like everyone else. That's not a strong argument. Plenty of schools have athletes-only majors, too. Does Georgetown need majors in kinesiology and recreation studies to be like everyone else? I think the transfer market should be used to fill key roster spots and to balance classes. Have to win now, there’s no building for an uncertain future. Other Georgetown teams don't have an uncertain future. Why is that? |
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 18, 2021 6:27:42 GMT -5
Did you say this about Jamorko? Say what? Jamorko wasn’t as good an NBA prospect as Mo, but was a much better one than Carey based on his measurables. Not seeing a valid comparison… I think its possible that Carey can make it at the next level, the NBA whether or not he comes back to the Hoyas next year...I don't know that that's possible . Many people wrote off Jamorko, but he's on his way! |
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Post by HamptonHoya on Dec 18, 2021 6:35:06 GMT -5
How do you see Jordan sharing playing time? He'll be a sophomore. Same with Beard, and Aminu. Dante a junior. Anglin a frosh. Someone has posted that Carey could stay for another year -- is that right? The official GU Men's basketball site says he's Class of '22. Behind all of this is a creeping fear that if Jordan isn't seeing significant PT, he may be looking elsewhere after next year. Aminu won’t be here next year. No way. What makes you say that? |
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 18, 2021 8:06:20 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion but...what is the rationale with transfers? Are we content being what Bob Huggins was at Cincinnati, or worse, simply recruit all grad transfers (most of whom won't bother to graduate) and simply rebuild each and every year? That's not what basketball at Georgetown should be about. Instead, recruit some local kids from the WCAC who aren't going to jump at the first shiny offer elsewhere and who will be alumni in the fullest sense of the word. Why not have a balance of both? Have a strong local base to stay four years, a diamond in the rough or two from elsewhere and fill holes as needed with proven grads/transfers. Also, a transfer with two or three years of eligibility left could help because you know what you’re getting and they wouldn’t leave without having to seat for a year. Agreed. Of course, it is a false choice...Huggin's Cincy or second/third tier WCAC kids (first tier aren't just happy for a GU offer). Terrell Allen was a great teammate and attended a game last week. Not a good enough Hoya? Trey Dickerson didn't have the success on the court we might have hoped for, but is very vocal, pro-Hoya on social media. Not good enough. Yurtseven is an NBA guy to root for and has been largely complimentary of the program. Nope, a transfer. There have been some mercenary, Huggin's types thrown in there, but you can get that with freshman too...even with kids from the WCAC. As prhoya wrote, build your team with freshman and supplement with the transfer market. Even St. Jay has had a transfer on Nova's team the last few years (or can we only bring up Nova to show what is wrong with us?) hm |
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 18, 2021 11:06:40 GMT -5
Key to success is to get old and stay old. Our problems this year will result in part from not understanding this.
Have to consider transfers
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 18, 2021 11:14:19 GMT -5
Under the current rules the best strategy is to go after 4-5 Star Freshman transfers like that Vietnamese McDoanlds All American who transferred from Kentucky to UCLA. This is the only way to keep someone for long term roster building or player development.
With high school 4-5 stars I think you have to assume only one year because at anytime they can go pro or transfer with the one free transfer rule.
I think the rules will eventually be changed or tweaked to prevent the uncertainty but till then you have to plan to the rules.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 18, 2021 11:20:58 GMT -5
You get the best players any way you can get them (legally).
I agree with professorhoya's train of thought though.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 18, 2021 11:24:29 GMT -5
Why not have a balance of both? Have a strong local base to stay four years, a diamond in the rough or two from elsewhere and fill holes as needed with proven grads/transfers. Also, a transfer with two or three years of eligibility left could help because you know what you’re getting and they wouldn’t leave without having to seat for a year. Agreed. Of course, it is a false choice...Huggin's Cincy or second/third tier WCAC kids (first tier aren't just happy for a GU offer). Terrell Allen was a great teammate and attended a game last week. Not a good enough Hoya? Trey Dickerson didn't have the success on the court we might have hoped for, but is very vocal, pro-Hoya on social media. Not good enough. Yurtseven is an NBA guy to root for and has been largely complimentary of the program. Nope, a transfer. There have been some mercenary, Huggin's types thrown in there, but you can get that with freshman too...even with kids from the WCAC. As prhoya wrote, build your team with freshman and supplement with the transfer market. Even St. Jay has had a transfer on Nova's team the last few years (or can we only bring up Nova to show what is wrong with us?) hm Terrell Allen came to mind for me as well on this. He has actually been at most home games this year. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 18, 2021 11:36:40 GMT -5
College sports have changed and Georgetown has to adapt like everyone else. That's not a strong argument. Plenty of schools have athletes-only majors, too. Does Georgetown need majors in kinesiology and recreation studies to be like everyone else? I think the transfer market should be used to fill key roster spots and to balance classes. Have to win now, there’s no building for an uncertain future. Other Georgetown teams don't have an uncertain future. Why is that? The lure of showcasing your talent for a potential pro career is high in basketball. So much so that the academic component takes a back seat. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 18, 2021 12:18:58 GMT -5
Agree on Carey and most likely Mohammed being gone next year. Need to land some 5th years and transfers. Unpopular opinion but...what is the rationale with transfers? Are we content being what Bob Huggins was at Cincinnati, or worse, simply recruit all grad transfers (most of whom won't bother to graduate) and simply rebuild each and every year? That's not what basketball at Georgetown should be about. Instead, recruit some local kids from the WCAC who aren't going to jump at the first shiny offer elsewhere and who will be alumni in the fullest sense of the word. Oh great another angle to debate between those who care more about the image of the program than wins. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 18, 2021 12:22:30 GMT -5
Key to success is to get old and stay old. Our problems this year will result in part from not understanding this. Have to consider transfers This. This. This. Old guys win in college basketball. Winning begets more winning. Transfers erase recruiting mistakes. |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 18, 2021 13:26:55 GMT -5
No disrespect to kids like Allen or Carey or Rice but outside of Y7 when has this staff landed a top transfer?
A program like Gtown has to land & develop HS kids 1st & foremost in my opinion...
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 18, 2021 13:39:45 GMT -5
No disrespect to kids like Allen or Carey or Rice but outside of Y7 when has this staff landed a top transfer? A program like Gtown has to land & develop HS kids 1st & foremost in my opinion... How often does an elite player transfer? Didn’t Yurt have some problems in Raleigh being Turkish? You also might not be giving Rice enough credit. He may make more 3s than anyone else in NCAA Div. 1. |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 18, 2021 13:53:57 GMT -5
No disrespect to kids like Allen or Carey or Rice but outside of Y7 when has this staff landed a top transfer? A program like Gtown has to land & develop HS kids 1st & foremost in my opinion... How often does an elite player transfer? Didn’t Yurt have some problems in Raleigh being Turkish? You also might not be giving Rice enough credit. He may make more 3s than anyone else in NCAA Div. 1. Fairly often actually but I’m not the one pushing this narrative of Gtown going for “highly touted” transfers over HS kids |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 18, 2021 14:02:42 GMT -5
Allen, Carey and Rice are really nice adds. Much better than the average freshman we bring in.
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