prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 20, 2021 8:51:04 GMT -5
Here’s casualhoya take on our current roster and eligibility left: 2021-22 Georgetown Hoyas Roster “1. Donald Carey GRAD G 6-5 (1 yr, plus bonus year left) *believed to be returning 2. Kaiden Rice GRAD G/F 6-7 (bonus year left) *new transfer from The Citadel 3. Timothy Ighoefe JR C 7-0 (2 yrs, plus bonus year left) 4. Malcolm Wilson RS-JR C 7-0 (3 yrs, plus bonus year left) 5. Dante Harris SO G 6-0 (3 yrs, plus bonus year left) 6. Collin Holloway SO F 6-6 (3 yrs, plus bonus year left) 7. Kobe Clark SO F 6-4 (3 yrs, plus bonus year left) 8. Aminu Mohammed FR G/F 6-5 9. Ryan Mutombo FR C 6-11 10. Jordan Riley FR G 6-4 11. Jalin Billingsley FR F 6-8 12. Tyler Beard FR G 6-1 13. Chuma Azinge JR G 6-3 (WO) 14. Victor Muresan SO F 6-10 (WO)” Meanwhile, HT’s chart has this: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18QnrJT1oclvmc0K_TFhN8orA42OI_dDGkEzJhJ_9PCM/htmlviewObviously, it’s two different takes on Carey. Question: What is Carey’s status re: eligibility for next year?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2021 11:06:20 GMT -5
This is from the NCAA's website: In short, because of the COVID year, players now have 6 years to complete 4 years of competition, BUT 2020-2021 doesn't count toward one of the four years. So, to break down Carey's career: 2017-2018: Mount St. Marys (Year 1 of playing) 2018-2019: [Sits because of transfer] 2019-2020: Siena (Year 2 of Playing) 2020-2021: Georgetown (played but it doesn't count because of COVID) 2021-2022: Georgetown (Year 3 of Playing) Under this analysis, Carey would indeed be able to play in 2022-2023, because it would be his fourth year of playing (because of the COVID year not counting), and he'd be able to complete it in six years. Unlike Carey, Rice already competed 4 years at The Citadel, and so even with the exemption, this will be his last season. Carey is different because he sat the 2018-2019 season, whereas Rice did not.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 20, 2021 11:57:37 GMT -5
This is from the NCAA's website: In short, because of the COVID year, players now have 6 years to complete 4 years of competition, BUT 2020-2021 doesn't count toward one of the four years. So, to break down Carey's career: 2017-2018: Mount St. Marys (Year 1 of playing) 2018-2019: [Sits because of transfer] 2019-2020: Siena (Year 2 of Playing) 2020-2021: Georgetown (played but it doesn't count because of COVID) 2021-2022: Georgetown (Year 3 of Playing) Under this analysis, Carey would indeed be able to play in 2022-2023, because it would be his fourth year of playing (because of the COVID year not counting), and he'd be able to complete it in six years. Unlike Carey, Rice already competed 4 years at The Citadel, and so even with the exemption, this will be his last season. Carey is different because he sat the 2018-2019 season, whereas Rice did not. Why would Carey come back and waste another year of money-making potential as a pro basketball player overseas?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2021 12:36:50 GMT -5
This is from the NCAA's website: In short, because of the COVID year, players now have 6 years to complete 4 years of competition, BUT 2020-2021 doesn't count toward one of the four years. So, to break down Carey's career: 2017-2018: Mount St. Marys (Year 1 of playing) 2018-2019: [Sits because of transfer] 2019-2020: Siena (Year 2 of Playing) 2020-2021: Georgetown (played but it doesn't count because of COVID) 2021-2022: Georgetown (Year 3 of Playing) Under this analysis, Carey would indeed be able to play in 2022-2023, because it would be his fourth year of playing (because of the COVID year not counting), and he'd be able to complete it in six years. Unlike Carey, Rice already competed 4 years at The Citadel, and so even with the exemption, this will be his last season. Carey is different because he sat the 2018-2019 season, whereas Rice did not. Why would Carey come back and waste another year of money-making potential as a pro basketball player overseas? The purpose of my post was merely to state the facts, given that the other day on another thread, some believed that Carey could not play any longer. I am not expressing any opinion whatsoever on whether he should come back. That's his choice.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 20, 2021 13:20:01 GMT -5
This is from the NCAA's website: In short, because of the COVID year, players now have 6 years to complete 4 years of competition, BUT 2020-2021 doesn't count toward one of the four years. So, to break down Carey's career: 2017-2018: Mount St. Marys (Year 1 of playing) 2018-2019: [Sits because of transfer] 2019-2020: Siena (Year 2 of Playing) 2020-2021: Georgetown (played but it doesn't count because of COVID) 2021-2022: Georgetown (Year 3 of Playing) Under this analysis, Carey would indeed be able to play in 2022-2023, because it would be his fourth year of playing (because of the COVID year not counting), and he'd be able to complete it in six years. Unlike Carey, Rice already competed 4 years at The Citadel, and so even with the exemption, this will be his last season. Carey is different because he sat the 2018-2019 season, whereas Rice did not. Thank you for the explanation. Now, saxagael, would you like to agree or disagree with 2003? Here’s what you wrote (maybe a little upset and dramatic) after the TCU game: Horrible thinking all around on that hope tossed to the wind. About as clueless as the Don has a magical 6th year of eligibility. Some people don't understand the rule books.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Jan 4, 2022 20:01:47 GMT -5
This is from the NCAA's website: In short, because of the COVID year, players now have 6 years to complete 4 years of competition, BUT 2020-2021 doesn't count toward one of the four years. So, to break down Carey's career: 2017-2018: Mount St. Marys (Year 1 of playing) 2018-2019: [Sits because of transfer] 2019-2020: Siena (Year 2 of Playing) 2020-2021: Georgetown (played but it doesn't count because of COVID) 2021-2022: Georgetown (Year 3 of Playing) Under this analysis, Carey would indeed be able to play in 2022-2023, because it would be his fourth year of playing (because of the COVID year not counting), and he'd be able to complete it in six years. Unlike Carey, Rice already competed 4 years at The Citadel, and so even with the exemption, this will be his last season. Carey is different because he sat the 2018-2019 season, whereas Rice did not. Thank you for the explanation. Now, saxagael, would you like to agree or disagree with 2003? Here’s what you wrote (maybe a little upset and dramatic) after the TCU game: Horrible thinking all around on that hope tossed to the wind. About as clueless as the Don has a magical 6th year of eligibility. Some people don't understand the rule books. Wow! I mangled that one! Last year digging through NCAA rule changes I was mostly focussed on this year and the unlimited roster spots for any returning players granted a year extension and who would be eligible. Over summer talked with a handful of D1 coaches about how their larger teams (one with two extra returning players and at least one other with more than two). The coaches that had expanded their rosters felt it really hurt their programs down the road for getting young players in games (they were thinking they may red shirt them, but that would hurt their rosters in future years). To a person they were all looking forward to getting beyond this year and not doing this again. I screwed it up and didn't look at the rules to see that there actually was an extra year available for players on teams and eligible to play last year. The expanded roster was what I was mostly looking at and that was a one time thing. The rules do state it is up to the school if they want to self select and offer a waiver to extend an extra year, so like a red-shirt year, but not having to get the NCAA to have the waiver approved. From the coaches this summer, they were trying to do what was right for their players this year, but found they really made long term problems and talked a bit about the importance of a four year cycle to get players through. For the Hoyas, Patrick seems to encourage his players to make the jump to pro if they are ready (Europe, G-League, or NBA).
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Post by prhoya on Jan 4, 2022 20:22:00 GMT -5
Thank you for the explanation. Now, saxagael, would you like to agree or disagree with 2003? Here’s what you wrote (maybe a little upset and dramatic) after the TCU game: Wow! I mangled that one! Last year digging through NCAA rule changes I was mostly focussed on this year and the unlimited roster spots for any returning players granted a year extension and who would be eligible. Over summer talked with a handful of D1 coaches about how their larger teams (one with two extra returning players and at least one other with more than two). The coaches that had expanded their rosters felt it really hurt their programs down the road for getting young players in games (they were thinking they may red shirt them, but that would hurt their rosters in future years). To a person they were all looking forward to getting beyond this year and not doing this again. I screwed it up and didn't look at the rules to see that there actually was an extra year available for players on teams and eligible to play last year. The expanded roster was what I was mostly looking at and that was a one time thing. The rules do state it is up to the school if they want to self select and offer a waiver to extend an extra year, so like a red-shirt year, but not having to get the NCAA to have the waiver approved. From the coaches this summer, they were trying to do what was right for their players this year, but found they really made long term problems and talked a bit about the importance of a four year cycle to get players through. For the Hoyas, Patrick seems to encourage his players to make the jump to pro if they are ready (Europe, G-League, or NBA). And the first part of that post was: Yes, and we need more. Although Coach Harmon doesn’t like it, let’s see if we get a midyear transfer. See BaseLayerTee’s post. Mid-year transfer means they didn't play where they were. Then means getting the player up to speed, in condition, and disrupting what progress the team has made. That is insanely foolish. But, the most problematic piece is the player was either injured or utterly sucks to be eligible to play mid-season as a transfer. Horrible thinking all around on that hope tossed to the wind. About as clueless as the Don has a magical 6th year of eligibility. Some people don't understand the rule books. Welcome, Bristol!
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Post by saxagael on Jan 4, 2022 20:26:43 GMT -5
Wow! I mangled that one! Last year digging through NCAA rule changes I was mostly focussed on this year and the unlimited roster spots for any returning players granted a year extension and who would be eligible. Over summer talked with a handful of D1 coaches about how their larger teams (one with two extra returning players and at least one other with more than two). The coaches that had expanded their rosters felt it really hurt their programs down the road for getting young players in games (they were thinking they may red shirt them, but that would hurt their rosters in future years). To a person they were all looking forward to getting beyond this year and not doing this again. I screwed it up and didn't look at the rules to see that there actually was an extra year available for players on teams and eligible to play last year. The expanded roster was what I was mostly looking at and that was a one time thing. The rules do state it is up to the school if they want to self select and offer a waiver to extend an extra year, so like a red-shirt year, but not having to get the NCAA to have the waiver approved. From the coaches this summer, they were trying to do what was right for their players this year, but found they really made long term problems and talked a bit about the importance of a four year cycle to get players through. For the Hoyas, Patrick seems to encourage his players to make the jump to pro if they are ready (Europe, G-League, or NBA). And the first part of that post was: Mid-year transfer means they didn't play where they were. Then means getting the player up to speed, in condition, and disrupting what progress the team has made. That is insanely foolish. But, the most problematic piece is the player was either injured or utterly sucks to be eligible to play mid-season as a transfer. Horrible thinking all around on that hope tossed to the wind. About as clueless as the Don has a magical 6th year of eligibility. Some people don't understand the rule books. Welcome, Bristol! The stars that have to align for a mid-season transfer aligned for a solid player! So rare that ever happens. If Bristol played in the fall he wouldn't have been eligible for the transfer and play. The no sitting out a year on the first transfer also helped on this one as well.
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