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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 5, 2021 15:56:42 GMT -5
Yes, fans aren't happy. For the posts further down this thread (no, not specific to this post), please maintain awareness and compliance with message board rules regarding the following:
1. No calls to rescind scholarships or dismiss the staff.
2. No personal attacks on fellow posters, Georgetown players, coaches, recruited student-athletes, or athletics staff.
Thanks in advance--Admin
I am going to be respectful...not going to bash the guy...but I have seen enough after 4+ years...I don't need to see anything more at this point from the coach to know this is not the right fit.
I am going to watch every game, I am going to cheer for this team, I am going to pray somehow this is going to get turned around and I will gladly eat my words if somehow this season or coaches tenure beyond this season turns positive but I cannot imagine that ever happening.
...but I have finally seen enough...
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 5, 2021 16:09:11 GMT -5
Let's support the team not just when they win, but when they lose too.
Imagine if our players are so quick to want to quit like some of our fans during struggle.
Imagine if last year's team quit and went with the "Play the freshmen" movement some on here wanted.
There would have been no Big East Tournament title.
This season is early. These are good experiences for our guys. We've played against different styles of play. Some of our young guys are getting a wake-up call. This isn't high school anymore.
Yes, the losses don't feel good. Yes, there are things that need improvement.
But they are still Hoyas. They need our support.
Go Hoyas!
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 5, 2021 16:11:08 GMT -5
Empty CapOne will speak volumes.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 5, 2021 16:13:42 GMT -5
Welcome to the club, Beantown. It will be over soon.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 5, 2021 16:14:33 GMT -5
I just think that some people who have been supporting for years now are within their right to give up on a program that clearly takes its dwindling fanbase for granted and the year to year torture that comes with it and be fed up with mediocrity for approaching a decade with no real improvement in sight, the 3 point defense is so bad and has been with literally the dozens of different players that have been turned over so the only real common denominator is the coach, I’ll still show up but this might be my last season being so attentive
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 5, 2021 16:19:52 GMT -5
This thread is the 2021 version of Van’s 2004 “Esherick and his family” post. Fortunately, Beantown didn’t ask the moderators to ban him.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 5, 2021 16:22:56 GMT -5
Let's support the team not just when they win, but when they lose too. Imagine if our players are so quick to want to quit like some of our fans during struggle. Imagine if last year's team quit and went with the "Play the freshmen" movement some on here wanted. There would have been no Big East Tournament title. This season is early. These are good experiences for our guys. We've played against different styles of play. Some of our young guys are getting a wake-up call. This isn't high school anymore. Yes, the losses don't feel good. Yes, there are things that need improvement. But they are still Hoyas. They need our support. Go Hoyas! I want to be 100 percent clear the players have my 100 percent support every single time they step on the court...my post has nothing to do w/the players. |
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Post by prhoya on Dec 5, 2021 16:24:32 GMT -5
Buckle up for an empty Cap One vs UMBC and then more Syracuse fans than Hoya fans for our “home” game.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 5, 2021 16:30:30 GMT -5
Let's support the team not just when they win, but when they lose too. Imagine if our players are so quick to want to quit like some of our fans during struggle. Imagine if last year's team quit and went with the "Play the freshmen" movement some on here wanted. There would have been no Big East Tournament title. This season is early. These are good experiences for our guys. We've played against different styles of play. Some of our young guys are getting a wake-up call. This isn't high school anymore. Yes, the losses don't feel good. Yes, there are things that need improvement. But they are still Hoyas. They need our support. Go Hoyas! I want to be 100 percent clear the players have my 100 percent support every single time they step on the court...my post has nothing to do w/the players. Who do the players play for? They are all intertwined. We are talking about atmosphere. A culture. Putting that type of energy out there isn't good for anyone, especially the players, this early in the season after some adversity. We aren't talking about critique of game strategy or recruiting. Just flat-out giving up. Quitting or suggesting it? Nah. |
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 5, 2021 16:35:37 GMT -5
Buckle up for an empty Cap One vs UMBC and then more Syracuse fans than Hoya fans for our “home” game. I'll be getting tanked up at the Irish Channel before the UMBC game to steel myself about what may unfold! |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 5, 2021 16:39:34 GMT -5
I want to be 100 percent clear the players have my 100 percent support every single time they step on the court...my post has nothing to do w/the players. Who do the players play for? They are all intertwined. We are talking about atmosphere. A culture. Putting that type of energy out there isn't good for anyone, especially the players, this early in the season after some adversity. We aren't talking about critique of game strategy or recruiting. Just flat-out giving up. Quitting or suggesting it? Nah. Honestly, I feel bad for the players. They are not being out into a position to succeed. ...and please w/the energy I may be putting into atmosphere...I am not saying anything that hasn't been said hundreds if not thousands of other times on this same board. If you can't see that Ewing simply is not the right fit...and I making that remark after 4+ years of seeing every single game the man has coached...not just the last 2 hours...then that's on you not me... I hope they turn it around, I hope they win a national championship under Ewing...I will gladly take the ridicule from every fan on this board if that happens... |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 5, 2021 16:40:43 GMT -5
Let's support the team not just when they win, but when they lose too. Imagine if our players are so quick to want to quit like some of our fans during struggle. Imagine if last year's team quit and went with the "Play the freshmen" movement some on here wanted.There would have been no Big East Tournament title. This season is early. These are good experiences for our guys. We've played against different styles of play. Some of our young guys are getting a wake-up call. This isn't high school anymore. Yes, the losses don't feel good. Yes, there are things that need improvement. But they are still Hoyas. They need our support. Go Hoyas! Why would it have been quitting if the coach played the freshman more last season? What would have happened if Harris didn’t get hurt & then have personal issues, probably no BET championship right? |
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Post by ccoven on Dec 5, 2021 16:43:01 GMT -5
Agree, fans want their team to win. Nothing against the kids; isn’t about them. We haven’t attracted one 5 star big to play for our HOF CENTER coach because the game isn’t played that way by bigs anymore. Good coaches make adjustments and Great coaches adapt to the times. Our home games are as well attended as some upper echelon high school programs. What value is the institution getting for their money? I haven’t seen our players on the floor, scrapping for loose balls or any defensive intensity…just like the NBA
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2021 17:09:00 GMT -5
Let's support the team not just when they win, but when they lose too. Imagine if our players are so quick to want to quit like some of our fans during struggle. Imagine if last year's team quit and went with the "Play the freshmen" movement some on here wanted. There would have been no Big East Tournament title. In defense of BeantownHoya, I don't think anything he says has anything to do with quitting. I think the very reason why seeing the program and team in the state is so hard for us is because we DO NOT quit. No matter how bad it gets, we will be here, supporting our team and hoping for the best. It's easy to be a fan when things are going well, but for those of us who are truly dedicated fans (which is essentially almost everyone regularly on HoyaTalk by this point), it's hard to see the program this way. I agree that the players deserve our support, and I'll still root for them every single game, and hope for the best. But, it's also doing a disservice to the program and university to ignore the reality that our program is in a bad place, and there are few signs that improvement is coming. That makes being a fan hard, but I don't think any of us are quitting. We are just acknowledging the reality staring us in the face. And, trust me, the players know it and see it too. So, HoyaTalk making this point isn't changing a thing in that respect. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 5, 2021 17:32:57 GMT -5
Buckle up for an empty Cap One vs UMBC and then more Syracuse fans than Hoya fans for our “home” game. The visiting fans in the UMBC and Howard games may keep the numbers from not breaking 1000. If I were a fan of those schools I would certainly come watch the game. They have a legit chance to beat us. When you root for a team at their level that is all you can ask for. The TCU game may be the worst of all or was that not an optional buy game? |
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Post by calhoya on Dec 5, 2021 17:33:42 GMT -5
Trying not to be reactive following another loss with more of the same issues that we have seen for the past 4+ seasons. Patience is required with freshmen and transfers. The issue is how quickly they adapt and become more comfortable with the college game. Not hard to see the potential in a kid like Aminu. Have felt all along that this season was important in determining the direction of the program and the future of the coaching staff. So far the same recurring problems appear--an indiscernible offense with little ball movement, poor discipline and careless turnovers and an inability to play defense on a consistent basis. Some have clearly given up--I'll wait and hope for the best, but this hole is getting deeper by the week and it is more difficult than ever to see a light at the end of this tunnel.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 5, 2021 17:36:32 GMT -5
Buckle up for an empty Cap One vs UMBC and then more Syracuse fans than Hoya fans for our “home” game. The visiting fans in the UMBC and Howard games may keep the numbers from not breaking 1000. If I were a fan of those schools I would certainly come watch the game. They have a legit chance to beat us. When you root for a team at their level that is all you can ask for. The TCU game may be the worst of all or was that not an optional buy game? TCU part of the regular season ticket package. |
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Post by hoyaroc on Dec 5, 2021 17:56:37 GMT -5
Enough is correct. I support coach Ewing but something needs to change and fast. You can’t tell fans to be patient when we play a game like today. Go Hoyas?
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Post by drquigley on Dec 5, 2021 17:59:35 GMT -5
Up until today I was for giving PE another year or two to develop his players -- without unexpected defections. I was also willing to give him time this year to turn these "heralded" recruits into legit D1 players. But today's game changed that for me. I can understand poor shooting and even unforced turnovers, those are issues related to player talent. But the absolute terrible defense we saw today, and have seen for 4 years, reflects on the coach. No D1 school would put up with a coach who can't teach his players to play defense. Those 9 dunks and easy layups were it for me. Pat has the remainder of this year to turn things around, and by around I don't mean a BE title or NCAA bid. I mean a 10-10 or even 9-11 record and one win in the BET. But a debacle year with 2-3 BE wins has to be understood by everyone that the Patrick Ewing experiment has failed.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 5, 2021 18:12:26 GMT -5
Does anyone know the contractual status? If it was for 6 years would the school bring him back as a lame duck?
These things tend to escalate quickly. Look at Esh and JTIII. If we go 7-24 this year in front of empty arenas I would think the administration wouldn’t be able to ignore it and they could stomach eating the last year.
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