prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 5, 2021 21:34:07 GMT -5
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 5, 2021 21:52:14 GMT -5
I loved Ewing as a player with the Hoyas and Knicks. My fear was that one day the difficult decision to move away from Ewing the coach would arrive. I want him to succeed, but with each passing year I’m losing confidence. A great player doesn’t necessarily make a great coach. Hoping that the team can improve and salvage the season. This season doesn’t matter anymore and we all know it’s a terrible team. I hope we can hit the transfer portal hard and build a better roster for next year to play ahead of the young guys that probably still won’t be ready to start on a mid conference team. Why would you trust that team to this coach?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 5, 2021 22:00:14 GMT -5
Deleted: inappropriate here
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 5, 2021 22:03:55 GMT -5
Beard has played 20 minutes over the last 4 games which is a travesty. If we are 6-1 or 5-2 then I get it and don't have an argument because the right kids are on the floor. We're not. He should be seeing at least 12-15 minutes every night. When Harris went down for a brief period of time, we played Carey and Riley. That doesn't even remotely make sense...
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Dec 5, 2021 22:04:25 GMT -5
I can't say I can fault her for this reaction. Her son takes a prep year, partly to be better prepared for his freshman year and he is getting 3 minutes while the PG in front of him (along with all of the other starting guards) are playing >30 minutes and to the point of cramping. This is part of the man management that I think has been lacking and I wish would improve. Beard probably doesn't need 20 minutes a game, but why bother recruiting a backup PG at all if you're only going to give him 3 mins? He's only played 10+ minutes twice and not once since Siena.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 5, 2021 22:05:43 GMT -5
I had low expectations for this season, especially when King was dismissed. But I have to admit this has gotten uglier than I could have imagined through 7 games. The tweets and overall vibe is really troubling. This feels eerily like the end of the last regime, and its only December.
Per Bartorvik we are only favored in 3 remaining games the rest of the way, and the overall projection is now 9-22 (4-16). If it plays out that way, I really don't see how the school could save face and let Ewing return next year. I wish there was something to hold on to as a reason to be patient or optimistic, but frankly Ewing has nothing in his track record that indicate he is a good coach. His record is what his record is, and this being his first gig, there is nothing else to draw from to show he's capable of building a winner. We'll always have the BET run, and that will be his coaching legacy.
But the most ardent supporter can't ignore the fact we will now be going on 5 years without a winning record in conference play. We aren't asking for Villanova like success from him, but we aren't even matching Seton Hall, PC, or Xavier like success. For what the school is paying him and the resources devoted to the program, that should not be acceptable. I don't root for anyone to lose their job or would never root against the team, but as someone pointed out above, once you know you don't have the right guy, the sooner we all move on, the better we off we'll be. Unfortunately, I think that time has come.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 5, 2021 22:09:40 GMT -5
I want Patrick to succeed as much as anybody, but if this keeps up and they play the season in a sea of empty chairs, it wouldn't shock me if Pat pulls a Turgeon and decides he's had enough. Turgeon was hearing it from disgruntled boosters and knew the heat was on. I doubt anyone dares speak a bad word to Patrick. Who would even be the person(s) influential enough to say something that would matter?
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 5, 2021 22:13:33 GMT -5
This now make 2 parents that have publicly posted tweets that can be construed as disappointment.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 5, 2021 22:18:20 GMT -5
Beard has played 20 minutes over the last 4 games which is a travesty. If we are 6-1 or 5-2 then I get it and don't have an argument because the right kids are on the floor. We're not. He should be seeing at least 12-15 minutes every night. When Harris went down for a brief period of time, we played Carey and Riley. That doesn't even remotely make sense... It does make sense, if you watch him play. Minutes are earned, not given. Ewing is not perfect, but he plays guys who can play and contribute. Beard is raw right now. If he was showing it in practice, he would play more. Ewing needs him to get better. It would take so much pressure off of Dante who forces things at times when the team struggles during a game. The freshmen, including Aminu, are going through an adjustment phase right now of playing at the college level. Give it time. It is a learning process. Part of development.
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Dec 5, 2021 22:20:00 GMT -5
I want Patrick to succeed as much as anybody, but if this keeps up and they play the season in a sea of empty chairs, it wouldn't shock me if Pat pulls a Turgeon and decides he's had enough. Turgeon was hearing it from disgruntled boosters and knew the heat was on. I doubt anyone dares speak a bad word to Patrick. Who would even be the person(s) influential enough to say something that would matter? Turgeon understood that no one person, player or coach, is bigger than the program.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 5, 2021 22:25:24 GMT -5
Very young team, with a gaping hole at center now that Timothy Ighoefe is out with the fractured, surgically repaired hand. It's growing pains and then some. The high expectation levels on this site, at this stage of the season, are unwarranted.
I'm much more concerned with whether Patrick Ewing will be able to retain players on a year-to-year basis. Initial returns have not been great, and that needs to improve for continuity purposes.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 5, 2021 22:26:50 GMT -5
Beard has played 20 minutes over the last 4 games which is a travesty. If we are 6-1 or 5-2 then I get it and don't have an argument because the right kids are on the floor. We're not. He should be seeing at least 12-15 minutes every night. When Harris went down for a brief period of time, we played Carey and Riley. That doesn't even remotely make sense... It does make sense, if you watch him play. Minutes are earned, not given. Ewing is not perfect, but he plays guys who can play and contribute. Beard is raw right now. If he was showing it in practice, he would play more. Ewing needs him to get better. It would take so much pressure off of Dante who forces things at times when the team struggles during a game. The freshmen, including Aminu, are going through an adjustment phase right now of playing at the college level. Give it time. It is a learning process. Part of development. Their all raw... Billingsley, Riley and Mutumbo don't look raw to you? Then according to you and Ewing ( who by your own words knows who is ready) Beard must be lightyears behind. So bad that even when Harris, Rice, Riley and Billingsley go a combined 4 of 29 and 0 for 11 from 3 that all Beard can sniff is 3 minutes of playing time? How much worst can he be? Right...patience...year 5 show some more patience I will continue to tell myself...
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 5, 2021 22:35:10 GMT -5
It does make sense, if you watch him play. Minutes are earned, not given. Ewing is not perfect, but he plays guys who can play and contribute. Beard is raw right now. If he was showing it in practice, he would play more. Ewing needs him to get better. It would take so much pressure off of Dante who forces things at times when the team struggles during a game. The freshmen, including Aminu, are going through an adjustment phase right now of playing at the college level. Give it time. It is a learning process. Part of development. Their all raw... Billingsley, Riley and Mutumbo don't look raw to you? Then according to you and Ewing ( who by your own words knows who is ready) Beard must be lightyears behind. So bad that even when Harris, Rice, Riley and Billingsley go a combined 4 of 29 and 0 for 11 from 3 that all Beard can sniff is 3 minutes of playing time? How much worst can he be? Right...patience...year 5 show some more patience I will continue to tell myself... We'll talking about Beard. Everybody isn't the same. All at different stages of development. His time will come, when he is ready.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 5, 2021 22:41:10 GMT -5
W are on Plan D at center (A-Q, B-Tre, C-Tim) and you guys expect better than this?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 5, 2021 22:47:09 GMT -5
Their all raw... Billingsley, Riley and Mutumbo don't look raw to you? Then according to you and Ewing ( who by your own words knows who is ready) Beard must be lightyears behind. So bad that even when Harris, Rice, Riley and Billingsley go a combined 4 of 29 and 0 for 11 from 3 that all Beard can sniff is 3 minutes of playing time? How much worst can he be? Right...patience...year 5 show some more patience I will continue to tell myself... We'll talking about Beard. Everybody isn't the same. All at different stages of development. His time will come, when he is ready. Look I hope your right but we are clearly on 2 different spectrums when it comes to Ewing and him determining what's best for this team and these players. I am just not seeing it. He shocked me and the rest of Hoya Nation with the BE run last year and I truly cherish those 4 days as a fan but my eyes are telling me right now that was lightning in a bottle and a small blip of success within a resume of 5 years of mediocrity. In an attempt to be fair, where do you feel Ewing has improved as a coach? I really struggle to see any improvement on the defensive end, in-game adjustments, player retention and offensive gameplan. I would consider those 4 pretty big pillars for a coach and none seem better from year 1 to 5. This current team aside (realizing their young) those are my concerns.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 5, 2021 22:48:12 GMT -5
W are on Plan D at center (A-Q, B-Tre, C-Tim) and you guys expect better than this? When you look at this afternoon’s disaster underneath, the answer is “yes.” A & B we’re the usual before season “there they are, there they go.” It’s become part of the program. Tim’s injury was unfortunate but shouldn’t result in what we witnessed today.
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Post by the_way on Dec 5, 2021 22:49:42 GMT -5
We'll talking about Beard. Everybody isn't the same. All at different stages of development. His time will come, when he is ready. Look I hope your right but we are clearly on 2 different spectrums when it comes to Ewing and him determining what's best for this team and these players. I am just not seeing it. He shocked me and the rest of Hoya Nation with the BE run last year and I truly cherish those 4 days as a fan but my eyes are telling me right now that was lightning in a bottle and a small blip of success within a resume of 5 years of mediocrity. In an attempt to be fair, where do you feel Ewing has improved as a coach? I really struggle to see any improvement on the defensive end, in-game adjustments, player retention and offensive gameplan. I would consider those 4 pretty big pillars for a coach and none seem better from year 1 to 5. This current team aside (realizing their young) those are my concerns. Beard's time will come when he is ready.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 5, 2021 22:50:18 GMT -5
W are on Plan D at center (A-Q, B-Tre, C-Tim) and you guys expect better than this? So when will Ewing be accountable for the results? Does he only get judged when all is perfect? No transfers, no injuries, the right blend of experience on the team...etc - those ideal conditions may never arrive all at the same time...
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Post by kghoya on Dec 5, 2021 23:13:15 GMT -5
Look I hope your right but we are clearly on 2 different spectrums when it comes to Ewing and him determining what's best for this team and these players. I am just not seeing it. He shocked me and the rest of Hoya Nation with the BE run last year and I truly cherish those 4 days as a fan but my eyes are telling me right now that was lightning in a bottle and a small blip of success within a resume of 5 years of mediocrity. In an attempt to be fair, where do you feel Ewing has improved as a coach? I really struggle to see any improvement on the defensive end, in-game adjustments, player retention and offensive gameplan. I would consider those 4 pretty big pillars for a coach and none seem better from year 1 to 5. This current team aside (realizing their young) those are my concerns. Beard's time will come when he is ready. Wherever that might be
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2021 23:13:17 GMT -5
I want Patrick to succeed as much as anybody, but if this keeps up and they play the season in a sea of empty chairs, it wouldn't shock me if Pat pulls a Turgeon and decides he's had enough. Turgeon was hearing it from disgruntled boosters and knew the heat was on. I doubt anyone dares speak a bad word to Patrick. Who would even be the person(s) influential enough to say something that would matter? I hear you, but people said the same thing about JT3, and frankly I didn't initially think JT3 would be fired until it snowballed at the end of the 2017 season and Waters decommitted. There is already a bunch of noise developing, and we are only barely into December. Either things are going to turn around and it'll ease out somewhat, or we will continue on the current trajectory and things will snowball, and there will be little choice to be made after our last game played in March. I really do not relish the idea of starting over again, nor do I feel that Georgetown is well equipped to find a replacement, but I don't think the situation will be tenable by March if things don't improve. These sort of things tend to snowball. As you recall, two of the major tipping points for JT3 were Waters' decommitment, combined with Trey Mourning making noise about transferring. Granted, I don't think Ryan Mutombo is going anywhere, and I think Dikembe is too classy to be open about wanting change, but given the roster retention problems Ewing has already had, I truly worry what will happen with retention if he stays on as coach and we end with a horrible record.
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