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Post by professorhoya on Nov 20, 2021 9:47:12 GMT -5
Some additional thoughts the morning after-- Hoping Rice has found his groove and is not going to be too streaky.. It's irrelevant now. The fact that he has the capability to hit 7 threes in a game will mean that he will be tightly guarded all season which will space the floor. If he can hit anything about 35% it's just gravy. Teams will have to game plan for him. And the beauty is most of his 3s are catch and release. He doesn't have to take a dribble or be ball domainant to shoot his 3s.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 20, 2021 10:01:48 GMT -5
Thinking back on the game, I believe Siena outplayed us in every way except shooting. They had really good ball movement and rebounding but couldn't get the ball in the hole while we made an incredible number of our shots.
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Post by Omega on Nov 20, 2021 10:08:33 GMT -5
Common MAN...Folks on here expecting perfect defensive rotations, and seamless offense for a young/new team three games into a season.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 20, 2021 10:21:43 GMT -5
Regardless of the level of opponent, I was pleased to see the progression through 3 games. Are there tons of things to correct on both sides of the ball? You bet. The overall level of basketball athleticism of this team is much higher than it has been. There are some really good parts here and many of the coach’s statements so far indicate he knows that but also sees what needs to be corrected. Like JohnnyJones said after the last game, number 0 is the real deal. You can see him getting used to the college game and he has so much talent the turnovers are tolerable as he makes that adjustment. Sure this year is going to be bumpy but it’s already entertaining and the errors are not from lack of effort.
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Post by kettlehill on Nov 20, 2021 10:29:18 GMT -5
Thinking back on the game, I believe Siena outplayed us in every way except shooting. They had really good ball movement and rebounding but couldn't get the ball in the hole while we made an incredible number of our shots. This is what is worrying- despite a 20 pt win- i.e. Cary and Rice were smoking which basically won us an otherwise close game. The defense was very poor and the kids were sloppy. On the other hand, I cannot remember a group of freshmen so athletic and feisty. It does bode well for the future. Its all about how fast these kids can develop.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 20, 2021 10:34:56 GMT -5
Some additional thoughts the morning after-- Hoping Rice has found his groove and is not going to be too streaky.. It's irrelevant now. The fact that he has the capability to hit 7 threes in a game will mean that he will be tightly guarded all season which will space the floor. If he can hit anything about 35% it's just gravy. Teams will have to game plan for him. And the beauty is most of his 3s are catch and release. He doesn't have to take a dribble or be ball domainant to shoot his 3s. And the range! If he catches and shoots that quickly and accurate from so far, he needs to be part of the opponent’s game plan. Those are big words coming from Pat!
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 20, 2021 10:39:05 GMT -5
You usually catch the game at a sports bar. Where did you catch it this time? Happy Thanksgiving. Watched it at the same sports bar at my work. Had a rare evening to myself after so rewatched it after I got home.
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Post by rhw485 on Nov 20, 2021 10:43:15 GMT -5
Good teams win, great teams cover. - Pre-game comment was to be patient with Rice. Well that paid off quicker than expected. I argued before the season that I expected Rice's % would go up this year because he'd get cleaner catch and shoot looks vs. the difficult shots he took at Citadel. That umm...wasn't looking great through two games. Last year 80% of his 3s were assisted...it's at literally 100% this year. Ironically I would argue these were probably more difficult shots than some he missed in the 1st 2 games. Either way the defense will have to respect it now
- Don Carey continuing to up his usage, and utilizing his dribble to get to the lane. If he can be a consistent creator for this offense as opposed to relying on others to find him open looks, our offense is going to be totally fine. Usage rate up to 20%. As always, my concerns were never on offense and will continue to be on defense
- Another solid Dante effort. Doing a better job of keeping his dribble alive when driving to the hoop and finding passes and picking his spots to try and finish around the rim. We're into the nitpicking portion, but I'm not a fan of Dante's pull up long 2s early in shot clock. I have zero problem with that shot after we've run some offense, haven't found anything, and then he can get to that shot. But we can't give defenses an easy possession by defending for only 5 seconds and ending up with that look. Confident he'll continue to fine tune spots on where to attack.
- On the defense, will say what's more concerning about the Siena game vs. the Dartmouth game was they type of offense they ran. Asking a whole bunch of freshmen to stay disciplined against off-ball screens in a Princeton style offense in game one is one thing. Struggling with over-helping against spread pick n roll is a different can of worms because we're gonna see that way more often. Too much helping off corner shooters, other defenses have that as a rule not to do, we can't help ourselves. We're forcing enough turnovers (3 games over 20%), another game where we didn't let them get to the line, and I'm not worried about rebounding long term. But we're playing with fire letting teams attempt this many 3s.
- One of my preseason focus areas was transition offense. Last year, 33.9% of possessions with a 50.2 eFG%. This year, 32.5% with a 65.3 eFG%. A little surprised the number of possessions look similar, but not at all surprised with the improved efficiency. Stealing those easy baskets will continue to be critical.
I think Thursday will give us a real sense of who Ewing has confidence in, wouldn't be surprised if the rotation gets just a little smaller. But lets just say nobody will be talking about Dartmouth if we find a way vs. SD St. Hoya Saxa
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Post by saxagael on Nov 20, 2021 12:54:28 GMT -5
Catching the post game with Patrick and Rice, finally. Ewing is taking the same tempered approach and belief in Rice that he took with Bile early last season. Bile grew into Patrick's expectations, which most didn't see Bile having within him.
Hoping for similar with Rice, as Patrick's approach and belief in his transfers patience and getting them to believe in what he sees in them.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 20, 2021 13:35:33 GMT -5
With the depth that we have at the center position, I think our guys need to be more aggressive on the inside. More authoritative! Heck, we have 15 fouls to give!
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 20, 2021 13:52:28 GMT -5
Might have missed it, but was there any update on Holloway or Clark? Do we think they both are ahead of the freshmen getting run now - Riley, Beard, Billingsley? Who stands to lose the most minutes by their return(s)? My guess would be Holloway eats into Billingsley’s minutes and Clark takes some of Riley’s? Why are you worried about Nos. 8-9 in the rotation?
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 20, 2021 14:21:17 GMT -5
Might have missed it, but was there any update on Holloway or Clark? Do we think they both are ahead of the freshmen getting run now - Riley, Beard, Billingsley? Who stands to lose the most minutes by their return(s)? My guess would be Holloway eats into Billingsley’s minutes and Clark takes some of Riley’s? Why are you worried about Nos. 8-9 in the rotation? Because chances are high they'll represent the future
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Post by drquigley on Nov 20, 2021 14:32:58 GMT -5
With the depth that we have at the center position, I think our guys need to be more aggressive on the inside. More authoritative! Heck, we have 15 fouls to give! Exactly. To quote my bball guru Lic Hoya, these bigs need to display a lot more "Meanery".
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 20, 2021 16:42:25 GMT -5
Might have missed it, but was there any update on Holloway or Clark? Do we think they both are ahead of the freshmen getting run now - Riley, Beard, Billingsley? Who stands to lose the most minutes by their return(s)? My guess would be Holloway eats into Billingsley’s minutes and Clark takes some of Riley’s? Why are you worried about Nos. 8-9 in the rotation? Holloway more so than Clark fills a position of need right now. We had like 6 total points from our front court this game, so Holloway would be a welcomed addition right now.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 20, 2021 17:50:12 GMT -5
Thinking back on the game, I believe Siena outplayed us in every way except shooting. They had really good ball movement and rebounding but couldn't get the ball in the hole while we made an incredible number of our shots. I agree with this.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 20, 2021 17:58:02 GMT -5
Thinking back on the game, I believe Siena outplayed us in every way except shooting. They had really good ball movement and rebounding but couldn't get the ball in the hole while we made an incredible number of our shots. I agree with this. So we dominated the most important part of the game. Sounds good to me
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 20, 2021 18:22:31 GMT -5
Why are you worried about Nos. 8-9 in the rotation? Holloway more so than Clark fills a position of need right now. We had like 6 total points from our front court this game, so Holloway would be a welcomed addition right now. Absolutely!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 20, 2021 18:24:05 GMT -5
Thinking back on the game, I believe Siena outplayed us in every way except shooting. They had really good ball movement and rebounding but couldn't get the ball in the hole while we made an incredible number of our shots. I agree with this. We also forced more turnovers / held onto the ball better, as well as got into the lane and drew fouls at a better rate. There's no doubt the rebounding, post defense, and perimeter rotations have a lot of holes and no doubt will be exploited by better teams, but this wasn't a "just" a better shooting game. They really couldn't stop us attacking the basket, and we forced a good number of turnovers that led to easy break points.
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Post by Omega on Nov 20, 2021 19:59:06 GMT -5
Nothing here to analyze from a team perspective. This game was for entertainment value only....a glorified scrimmage. Coach was experimenting with different combination of players. So yes, it was a bit sloppy at times, but to say they were outplayed...I'll just leave it at that. Once conference play begins, some of these dudes will see limited floor time...
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 20, 2021 20:01:52 GMT -5
Nothing here to analyze from a team perspective. This game was for entertainment value only....a glorified scrimmage. Coach was experimenting with different combination of players. So yes, it was a bit sloppy at times, but to say they were outplayed...I'll just leave it at that. Once conference play begins, some of these dudes will see limited floor time... That’s a good point. There were some very strange lineups out there, I don’t think Coach was trying to run up the score once we were comfortably winning. Looked more like he was trying to figure out what does and doesn’t work lineup wise in real games. I think we if stick to our top 9 or so guys in a rotation the sloppiness will clean up a lot. Just a question of whether the defense looks better once guys have their defined roles and units.
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