hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 10, 2021 12:38:53 GMT -5
Interesting. How should it be run? Like a college sports program that is doing its best to win while also adhering to the standards of the university and representing the school with class and dignity. Winning should be important, yet still aspirational. GU hoops should never be in the "win or else" mindset that so many schools have adopted and that has been so harmful to college basketball. You don’t think this is how many businesses are run? Maybe my experience is unusual but I run a unit inside a larger business and we are definitely expected to adhere to the standards of the overall company. And, win at all costs is not how we operate. Just yesterday we walked away from a very large and probably lucrative investment because we weren’t comfortable with the character of one of the partners we’d be doing the deal with. There is no reason running the team like the business it obviously is has to be in conflict with keeping high standards of class and dignity.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 10, 2021 12:55:49 GMT -5
I am not saying those things are mutually exclusive- but they are hard to accomplish. And I think that we should allow time and be patient about trying to get to that point. Nova did that with Wright, and it paid off. I am not saying that will or will not happen with Patrick- but I in very much in favor of taking a deep breath and giving him time instead of taking the corporate production-based model and starting over. Wright’s first four years were better than Pat’s and at a fraction of Pat’s contract. Wright didn’t get a Top 12 contract when he stepped in at Nova. Pat is in his fifth year of a six-year contract. Would you extend the same contract or renegotiate terms up or down?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 10, 2021 13:12:58 GMT -5
I do not understand why the contract is such an issue for fans. It is chump change to the school. They can hire who they hire and pay what they want to pay.
I would wait until toward the end of year six and assess things then. We are at least a year-and-a-half away from then.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 10, 2021 13:16:21 GMT -5
I do not understand why the contract is such an issue for fans. It is chump change to the school. They can hire who they hire and pay what they want to pay. I would wait until toward the end of year six and assess things then. We are at least a year-and-a-half away from then. I guess if it’s not a business, getting a horrible ROI on this is ok.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 10, 2021 13:22:47 GMT -5
I do not understand why the contract is such an issue for fans. It is chump change to the school. They can hire who they hire and pay what they want to pay. I would wait until toward the end of year six and assess things then. We are at least a year-and-a-half away from then. Waiting until the end of the contract is not how high major college programs are run - it puts the coach at a huge competitive disadvantage recruiting-wise as opposing coaches will correctly tell recruits that the university isn't committed to him so it's not worth considering that program. An extension decision for Ewing has to come by the end of this season. If he's smart and if he wants to stay in the role, he'd be wise to advise his agent to get an extension done ASAP. If the school is wise, it would wait until the end of this season to figure out if he's worth keeping. Based on results to date, anybody looking objectively would advise against an extension at this time.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 10, 2021 13:36:49 GMT -5
I do not understand why the contract is such an issue for fans. It is chump change to the school. They can hire who they hire and pay what they want to pay. I would wait until toward the end of year six and assess things then. We are at least a year-and-a-half away from then. A top 12 contract is not chump change or every other school would do it.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 10, 2021 13:37:50 GMT -5
What should happen is that the school should give the coach a vote of confidence if they want to keep him. "We are grateful for Coach Ewing's work on behalf of Georgetown basketball and are working with his representatives to put a new contract in place that will keep him our head coach for the foreseeable future."
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 10, 2021 13:49:00 GMT -5
What should happen is that the school should give the coach a vote of confidence if they want to keep him. "We are grateful for Coach Ewing's work on behalf of Georgetown basketball and are working with his representatives to put a new contract in place that will keep him our head coach for the foreseeable future." Do you mean instead of deciding at the end of this year, just say that to give it more time to decide and keep his credibility for that time? If so, I could see that. On a side note I did chuckle first reading that bc in soccer when the coach gets a "vote of confidence" it basically means he is so fired within a couple weeks lol but that is in the much more fickle world of soccer team management like fun fact the average tenure of a English soccer manager is less than 1.5 years and in Italy the average is less than one season now
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 10, 2021 14:17:32 GMT -5
What should happen is that the school should give the coach a vote of confidence if they want to keep him. "We are grateful for Coach Ewing's work on behalf of Georgetown basketball and are working with his representatives to put a new contract in place that will keep him our head coach for the foreseeable future." Opposing coaches and recruits will see right through that - have to put your money where your mouth is.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 10, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -5
As much as I disagree with that, if true, then we can deal with that problem in 2023 or so- if it ever gets to that point. Hopefully this year goes okay and he gets an extension.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 10, 2021 15:25:23 GMT -5
As much as I disagree with that, if true, then we can deal with that problem in 2023 or so- if it ever gets to that point. Hopefully this year goes okay and he gets an extension. What would an ok year that justifies an extension look like?
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