IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Nov 7, 2021 12:03:42 GMT -5
Glad he’s come on board. But Hoyas need to break out of this pattern of projecting where kids and the program will be in a year or two or three. Need to win now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 12:30:58 GMT -5
Glad he’s come on board. But Hoyas need to break out of this pattern of projecting where kids and the program will be in a year or two or three. Need to win now. Exactly who is projecting that?
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Post by seaweed on Nov 7, 2021 14:32:51 GMT -5
Glad he’s come on board. But Hoyas need to break out of this pattern of projecting where kids and the program will be in a year or two or three. Need to win now. Isn’t coach’s job to do both?
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Post by wsdhoya on Nov 7, 2021 18:21:33 GMT -5
Glad he’s come on board. But Hoyas need to break out of this pattern of projecting where kids and the program will be in a year or two or three. Need to win now. I agree with the sentiment. I have read some other coaches that have a mentality of 0 wasted scholarships. They don't offer kids to fill a spot or just show boosters they can get commitments. If a kid is getting a committable offer it's because he can play in the Big East. If the staff trusts its player evaluations, we can just use recruiting rankings as an imperfect guide. I'd rather the staff hit the Euro market or transfer portal hard than offer high school circuit kids that aren't realistically going to be at top half Big East level, so I certainly hope they see Bass as capable of playing at this level in a successful manner.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 7, 2021 19:13:42 GMT -5
Saying recruiting rankings are inaccurate and it's impossible to rank so many kids accurately and then projecting your own opinion on how underrated a kid is always makes me laugh. As inaccurate and at times flawed and biased as 247 or rivals rankings are, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to professionals and their analytics over board posters. I still don't put a ton of stock in it, however. Seems somewhat undersrized for the 4 but not quite skilled or quick enough for the 2/3. If he can work on his touch and shooting then he could be a nice player in the Big East. Solid athlete. Does this apply to yourself as well?
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 7, 2021 21:45:51 GMT -5
Glad he’s come on board. But Hoyas need to break out of this pattern of projecting where kids and the program will be in a year or two or three. Need to win now. Isn’t coach’s job to do both? Yes and he’s not doing very well in the winning department.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 7, 2021 22:27:58 GMT -5
Isn’t coach’s job to do both? Yes and he’s not doing very well in the winning department. Congratulations. Over 5000 posts that say exactly the same thing.
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Post by s4hoyas on Nov 7, 2021 22:37:00 GMT -5
D'Ante has exceptional quickness at his size and is an elite or near elite athlete (won the award as best athlete at one of his AAU events)...he's significantly underrated, largely I think because he wasn't seen that much...he may need to continue to improve his perimeter skills, especially going to/using his right hand more, but you can probably say that about most guys coming out of HS (developing their off hand)...he can move around on the court but to me he's a 3, especially as a perimeter defender of the passing lanes with his quickness and anticipation...he's got a solid stroke and 3 pt range, he just needs to continue to improve that area over time, which I believe he will given his work ethic...I think he'll be a very good college player who will get better every year...
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 9:07:23 GMT -5
My point is we all need to get to a place where we aren’t excited about what this program could be in a year or two with the talent the staff has put together. This notion of let’s just hang on here as they are about to turn the corner is constant false hope. I like this verbal but it doesn’t help this year or likely his first year in campus.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 8, 2021 9:29:32 GMT -5
My point is we all need to get to a place where we aren’t excited about what this program could be in a year or two with the talent the staff has put together. This notion of let’s just hang on here as they are about to turn the corner is constant false hope. I like this verbal but it doesn’t help this year or likely his first year in campus. Fair point. There have been some unusual (hopefully) circumstances which justified a reset of expectations, but we should be past that point now and fans should no longer be expected to wait for the "better tomorrow." We need a better "today" to reinvigorate this program. I like this signing and think that Ewing has a potential diamond in the rough, if he is as long as listed and can guard multiple positions.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 8, 2021 10:17:17 GMT -5
Were they right about Isaac Copeland being a top 20 player in his class? For every kid you convince yourself is underrated, somebody must be overrated. I'm not criticizing fans for this because every fanbase does this to themselves but it's a ridiculous thing to say every kid you recruit is super underrated and going to be a star. He's ranked in the 200s because that is the best guess the recruiting professionals have based on what is most likely a limited sample size. He could turn out to be an NBA player in three years or he could transfer to Towson after a year and never be heard from again. We don't know. What we do know is it's not helpful to convince yourself that guys on your team are good just because you like the team. Convincing ourselves that we have landed a gem in an unheralded recruit that seems to not have been very seriously pursued by any other major conference program (couldn't find any recent articles with comments on other schools, and he never even listed finalists) is a St. John's mindset. Going out and recruiting the best DMV talent and supplementing it with guys from around the country that fit into a coherent style of play needs to be the Georgetown mindset. This kid seems to have a fantastic mindset and motor and I hope he turns into a solid contributor. Do I think that is the most likely thing to happen given what information is available to us? No. I love watching basketball and rooting on my Hoyas, but I don't have a ton of faith in the program right now and I think a healthy level of skepticism is needed. A higher level of acceptance of the fact that even though they are super flawed, the scouts making the rankings know more than we do would be helpful. He has a much higher ceiling than Reggie Cameron who from day 1 you knew had below average atheleticism, speed, ball handling, on top of playing against inferior competition. With Copeland, he had extremely narrow shoulders for someone his size. That raised question marks on his durability and ability to add strength. Reggie Cameron attended Hudson Catholic in NJ, a very high level program. He was also a member of the NJ Playaz AAU team. This new notion from professorhoya that Cameron played against "inferior competition" is completely false.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 8, 2021 10:18:05 GMT -5
My point is we all need to get to a place where we aren’t excited about what this program could be in a year or two with the talent the staff has put together. This notion of let’s just hang on here as they are about to turn the corner is constant false hope. I like this verbal but it doesn’t help this year or likely his first year in campus. Fair point. There have been some unusual (hopefully) circumstances which justified a reset of expectations, but we should be past that point now and fans should no longer be expected to wait for the "better tomorrow." We need a better "today" to reinvigorate this program. I like this signing and think that Ewing has a potential diamond in the rough, if he is as long as listed and can guard multiple positions. Didn't we just win the BET. We are BET Champions. When was the last time Georgetown were Champions of anything (2008?)
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 8, 2021 10:19:56 GMT -5
He has a much higher ceiling than Reggie Cameron who from day 1 you knew had below average atheleticism, speed, ball handling, on top of playing against inferior competition. With Copeland, he had extremely narrow shoulders for someone his size. That raised question marks on his durability and ability to add strength. Reggie Cameron attended Hudson Catholic in NJ, a very high level program. He was also a member of the NJ Playaz AAU team. This new notion from professorhoya that Cameron played against "inferior competition" is completely false. It was quite inferior. I looked at his boxes, he was usually one of the tallest players on the court. Do you also believe he wasn't a below average athlete, with zero speed, zero explosiveness or hops and shaky handles?
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 8, 2021 10:33:01 GMT -5
He has a much higher ceiling than Reggie Cameron who from day 1 you knew had below average atheleticism, speed, ball handling, on top of playing against inferior competition. With Copeland, he had extremely narrow shoulders for someone his size. That raised question marks on his durability and ability to add strength. Reggie Cameron attended Hudson Catholic in NJ, a very high level program. He was also a member of the NJ Playaz AAU team. This new notion from professorhoya that Cameron played against "inferior competition" is completely false. Why are you posting about Reggie Cameron? Surely this has something to do with Ewing being a bad coach/bad recruiter. I think I have it. Cameron was, in your view, justifiably a high level recruit and he disappointed and Bass is not a high level recruit so he will be worse than Cameron and we should not laud Ewing for landing a recruit like Bass.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 8, 2021 10:36:04 GMT -5
Reggie Cameron attended Hudson Catholic in NJ, a very high level program. He was also a member of the NJ Playaz AAU team. This new notion from professorhoya that Cameron played against "inferior competition" is completely false. Why are you posting about Reggie Cameron? Surely this has something to do with Ewing being a bad coach/bad recruiter. I think I have it. Cameron was, in your view, justifiably a high level recruit and he disappointed and Bass is not a high level recruit so he will be worse than Cameron and we should not laud Ewing for landing a recruit like Bass. He was responding to a post that mentioned Cameron.
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Post by practice on Nov 8, 2021 10:36:12 GMT -5
Reggie Cameron attended Hudson Catholic in NJ, a very high level program. He was also a member of the NJ Playaz AAU team. This new notion from professorhoya that Cameron played against "inferior competition" is completely false. It was quite inferior. I looked at his boxes, he was usually one of the tallest players on the court. Do you also believe he wasn't a below average athlete, with zero speed, zero explosiveness or hops and shaky handles? Why are we dragging the good name of Reggie Cameron through the mud? Listen, great shooter, great HS player, solid if limited contributor over 4 years, Georgetown alumnus ... we all know that he did not have BE quickness or hops. Ok ... if we want to look back to that time frame, some comps for D'Ante are LJ Peak, Aaron Bowen, and Jabril Trawick ... I see that level of athleticism when I watch D'Ante. We've been missing that until really this recruiting class with Aminu, Beard, and maybe Jordan Riley.
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 11:12:27 GMT -5
Fair point. There have been some unusual (hopefully) circumstances which justified a reset of expectations, but we should be past that point now and fans should no longer be expected to wait for the "better tomorrow." We need a better "today" to reinvigorate this program. I like this signing and think that Ewing has a potential diamond in the rough, if he is as long as listed and can guard multiple positions. Didn't we just win the BET. We are BET Champions. When was the last time Georgetown were Champions of anything (2008?) A great win. But a miracle win. Hands up if you thought the Hoyas were going to pull that off? What’s our projected ranking heading into the BE? Glad Bass is on board. Doesn’t move the needle for this season.
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 11:14:00 GMT -5
Welcome, Mr. Bass. Hope you aren't reading this, as something as simple as a celebration of your commitment gets highjacked by the usual posters and usual inanities. Most Hoya fans aren't like that, and we can't wait to see you in a Hoya uniform! Then most Hoya fans are burying their heads in the sand.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 8, 2021 11:19:05 GMT -5
Welcome, Mr. Bass. Hope you aren't reading this, as something as simple as a celebration of your commitment gets highjacked by the usual posters and usual inanities. Most Hoya fans aren't like that, and we can't wait to see you in a Hoya uniform! Then most Hoya fans are burying their heads in the sand. Good job $hiting all over a new recruit’s thread
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 11:22:39 GMT -5
Then most Hoya fans are burying their heads in the sand. Good job ting all over a new recruit’s thread He will be fine.
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