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Post by calhoya on Nov 8, 2021 11:30:48 GMT -5
Fair point. There have been some unusual (hopefully) circumstances which justified a reset of expectations, but we should be past that point now and fans should no longer be expected to wait for the "better tomorrow." We need a better "today" to reinvigorate this program. I like this signing and think that Ewing has a potential diamond in the rough, if he is as long as listed and can guard multiple positions. Didn't we just win the BET. We are BET Champions. When was the last time Georgetown were Champions of anything (2008?) Absolutely agree that this was a potential turning point for the team, but already there are voices here and elsewhere acting as if that was an aberration, and we should expect to fallback into irrelevance for another period of time because of who left the program. My point is that last year should be viewed as a significant step in rebuilding, and I am not interested in lowering expectations again because players left. Ewing showed what he could do with a very limited squad after the exodus two years ago. Again last year he took a team picked to finish last and did orchestrate an amazing turnaround in the last six weeks. Lots of teams have turnover every year, and though this team is young, on paper it is as talented or more talented than what Ewing had in either of the past two years. No one should look at this team and the coaching staff and expect or be satisfied with a 10th place finish, and the promise that it will be better in a year or two. |
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Post by seaweed on Nov 8, 2021 11:33:33 GMT -5
Good job ting all over a new recruit’s thread He will be fine. So that makes it OK? What kind of fan takes every opportunity to dwell on the negative? I’d get it if you were a Mets fan or something, but these are HS and college kids. Being anonymous is no excuse for being rude |
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Post by practice on Nov 8, 2021 11:39:27 GMT -5
So that makes it OK? What kind of fan takes every opportunity to dwell on the negative? I’d get it if you were a Mets fan or something, but these are HS and college kids. Being anonymous is no excuse for being rude Hopefully D'Ante assumes that message board writers are just a bunch of losers living in their parents' basements. |
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Nov 8, 2021 11:42:58 GMT -5
So that makes it OK? What kind of fan takes every opportunity to dwell on the negative? I’d get it if you were a Mets fan or something, but these are HS and college kids. Being anonymous is no excuse for being rude Hopefully D'Ante assumes that message board writers are just a bunch of losers living in their parents' basements. Which would be a fair assumption here. I thought employment numbers were up. |
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 8, 2021 11:56:52 GMT -5
My point is we all need to get to a place where we aren’t excited about what this program could be in a year or two with the talent the staff has put together. This notion of let’s just hang on here as they are about to turn the corner is constant false hope. I like this verbal but it doesn’t help this year or likely his first year in campus. This is a grown adult asking, “Are we there yet?” Whining that this recruit doesn’t help us the year before he matriculates is a new….I don’t know how to describe other than … ‘low’ |
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 12:57:58 GMT -5
So that makes it OK? What kind of fan takes every opportunity to dwell on the negative? I’d get it if you were a Mets fan or something, but these are HS and college kids. Being anonymous is no excuse for being rude Interesting theory. |
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 12:59:54 GMT -5
My point is we all need to get to a place where we aren’t excited about what this program could be in a year or two with the talent the staff has put together. This notion of let’s just hang on here as they are about to turn the corner is constant false hope. I like this verbal but it doesn’t help this year or likely his first year in campus. This is a grown adult asking, “Are we there yet?” Whining that this recruit doesn’t help us the year before he matriculates is a new….I don’t know how to describe other than … ‘low’ It’s the same question I’ve been asking for 10 years. Why aren’t we there yet? And how much longer will it be until we are there? Said it before that I like this verbal and think he has a future. But he and the current program are a few years away. Again. |
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 13:01:27 GMT -5
Hopefully D'Ante assumes that message board writers are just a bunch of losers living in their parents' basements. Which would be a fair assumption here. I thought employment numbers were up. Been on this board and the previous ones since I was living at my parents in the 90’s. So I suppose there is some truth behind that. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Nov 8, 2021 13:10:47 GMT -5
Isn’t coach’s job to do both? Yes and he’s not doing very well in the winning department. Bro you need a new hobby |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 8, 2021 13:20:30 GMT -5
This is a grown adult asking, “Are we there yet?” Whining that this recruit doesn’t help us the year before he matriculates is a new….I don’t know how to describe other than … ‘low’ It’s the same question I’ve been asking for 10 years. Why aren’t we there yet? And how much longer will it be until we are there? Said it before that I like this verbal and think he has a future. But he and the current program are a few years away. Again. It’s like the gumbo is always missing an ingredient or two. |
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Post by hoya73 on Nov 8, 2021 15:13:22 GMT -5
This thread serves to identify Hoya Talk's current Axis of Evil, at least. What a bunch of maroons, to hijack a thread for a new recruit In order to spout the same tired agenda one more time.
Oh, yeah, I'm a fan of the program except that I have to denigrate everything about it at every opportunity.
Anyone able to spot sarcasm there?
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Post by IDenj on Nov 8, 2021 15:34:25 GMT -5
This thread serves to identify Hoya Talk's current Axis of Evil, at least. What a bunch of maroons, to hijack a thread for a new recruit In order to spout the same tired agenda one more time. Oh, yeah, I'm a fan of the program except that I have to denigrate everything about it at every opportunity. Anyone able to spot sarcasm there? Pointing out the track record and lack of success is fair as it pertains to a recruit whom many feel isn’t likely to contribute right away. Which I feel is pertinent; he’s a few years away and many fans feel our program is a year or two away based on the talent we have brought in. I’ve said it for 10 years. Longer than that. Prove me wrong and get kids who can have success from day one and have the program win consistently starting now. |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 8, 2021 16:00:07 GMT -5
Didn't we just win the BET. We are BET Champions. When was the last time Georgetown were Champions of anything (2008?) A great win. But a miracle win. Hands up if you thought the Hoyas were going to pull that off? What’s our projected ranking heading into the BE? Glad Bass is on board. Doesn’t move the needle for this season. I get the frustration about the program we love, although we did win the damn tournament last year. And from what I can tell, you are not a one-issue poster like a few on here, who never miss an opportunity to bash the program, in every thread, incessantly. But TBH, you have no idea what Bass will bring to the table in his first year (nor do I), so how can you say so definitively he won't move the needle. Since we are all in the dark, why not let a little optimism shine through? |
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Post by seaweed on Nov 8, 2021 16:10:44 GMT -5
This thread serves to identify Hoya Talk's current Axis of Evil, at least. What a bunch of maroons, to hijack a thread for a new recruit In order to spout the same tired agenda one more time. Oh, yeah, I'm a fan of the program except that I have to denigrate everything about it at every opportunity. Anyone able to spot sarcasm there? Pointing out the track record and lack of success is fair as it pertains to a recruit whom many feel isn’t likely to contribute right away. Which I feel is pertinent; he’s a few years away and many fans feel our program is a year or two away based on the talent we have brought in. I’ve said it for 10 years. Longer than that. Prove me wrong and get kids who can have success from day one and have the program win consistently starting now. "Many" feel isn't likely to contribute right away"? I count like three of you, but keep telling yourself you are part of some silent majority. This kid is two time all Savannah, one time all State. He won MOP at the Battle of Georgia. He is the highest rated recruit in the state of Georgia. He was recruited by Memphis, Nevada, Georgia, Xavier, VA Tech and others. He took his team within one possession of the state final last year, averaged 16+ pts, 7 rebbies, 1.8 steals and 1.1 blocks. He is a 6'7" projected 2 guard, finished like a beast and has a solid outside shot. My question is this - who on this team do you think is so good that Bass won't be able to contribute right away? Cause that's the issue right - if you want to say he won't contribute, who's stopping him? You have no love for the guys on the roster, but also want to bash the incoming kids. You can't have it both ways - either the current team is good enough to eat up PT from incoming kids or the incoming kids are good enough to take the PT. So who is going to stop this guy from being a factor right away? Or do you just hate lefties? |
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 8, 2021 16:26:21 GMT -5
Pointing out the track record and lack of success is fair as it pertains to a recruit whom many feel isn’t likely to contribute right away. Which I feel is pertinent; he’s a few years away and many fans feel our program is a year or two away based on the talent we have brought in. I’ve said it for 10 years. Longer than that. Prove me wrong and get kids who can have success from day one and have the program win consistently starting now. "Many" feel isn't likely to contribute right away"? I count like three of you, but keep telling yourself you are part of some silent majority. This kid is two time all Savannah, one time all State. He won MOP at the Battle of Georgia. He is the highest rated recruit in the state of Georgia. He was recruited by Memphis, Nevada, Georgia, Xavier, VA Tech and others. He took his team within one possession of the state final last year, averaged 16+ pts, 7 rebbies, 1.8 steals and 1.1 blocks. He is a 6'7" projected 2 guard, finished like a beast and has a solid outside shot. My question is this - who on this team do you think is so good that Bass won't be able to contribute right away? Cause that's the issue right - if you want to say he won't contribute, who's stopping him? You have no love for the guys on the roster, but also want to bash the incoming kids. You can't have it both ways - either the current team is good enough to eat up PT from incoming kids or the incoming kids are good enough to take the PT. So who is going to stop this guy from being a factor right away? Or do you just hate lefties? I'm excited about Bass and like his long-term potential, but he is absolutely NOT the highest rated recruit in the state of Georgia. It takes less than 1 minute of Google research to realize that. |
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Post by s4hoyas on Nov 8, 2021 16:55:50 GMT -5
IDeng..."We all want to get to a place...NOW!.." Of course we would like to wave a wand and suddenly be competitive with the top 2-3 teams in the league
right now but that's not realistic...PE was starting to put together that type of team with Akinjo, LeBlanc, McClung, Gardner, Alexander et al when for different reasons they "abandoned ship"...effectively, he was forced to start over, which he did...he coached up a group that won the BE championship...then, his top 4 scorers graduated (Wahab transferred) and he was again forced to start anew...how do you do that? You bring in a top 12-15 recruiting class...then you follow that up with another excellent class (which I believe he's doing and is not done yet)...then you mold these groups as they gain experience into a highly competitive team...you begin to increase your win total and as you become more competitive it becomes easier to land a few top players...and that's how you build a winning program...it takes several very good recruiting classes in a row, then you're on your way...in the meantime, we need to support the current team as they grow...BTW, D'Ante Bass will be a very good college player...
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Post by prhoya on Nov 8, 2021 17:12:57 GMT -5
Were they right about Isaac Copeland being a top 20 player in his class? For every kid you convince yourself is underrated, somebody must be overrated. No, they were not right re: Isaac, and that's D'Ante's point when he's quoted as saying that it's blasphemy that there are supposedly 250 players better than him/ranked higher in his class. As with Mac, it's easy to see just from the highlights that this 6'7" kid has special skills (motor, handle, etc...). I didn't have to watch to see a lot of Mac's highlights to see that the kid could score in buckets in h.s. and college. As I said before, it has been a decade at least since we've had a player his size who could dribble like that. As a matter of fact, he dribbles better right now than junior Pickett, junior Blair and a number of recent Hoya guards. If he has a perimeter shot, and Pat has the roster to stretch the floor, then watch out. There cannot be 250 players more valuable to a roster to create a mismatch than Bass. I'm not criticizing fans for this because every fanbase does this to themselves but it's a ridiculous thing to say every kid you recruit is super underrated and going to be a star. I don't know about all the kids we recruit, but my "decades of experience" tell me our two verbal commits are underrated. I've discussed Bass above. As for Denver, he's considered the best or one of the best perimeter shooters in his class, yet since scouts see him as undersized, he will be undervalued. That's just a natural inclination to CYA. With his mentality and aggressiveness, I believe he will have a great college career. He's ranked in the 200s because that is the best guess the recruiting professionals have based on what is most likely a limited sample size. See practice's post re: ranking biases, which you liked. He could turn out to be an NBA player in three years or he could transfer to Towson after a year and never be heard from again. We don't know. What we do know is it's not helpful to convince yourself that guys on your team are good just because you like the team. Convincing ourselves that we have landed a gem in an unheralded recruit that seems to not have been very seriously pursued by any other major conference program (couldn't find any recent articles with comments on other schools, and he never even listed finalists) is a St. John's mindset. The list has been provided above. Going out and recruiting the best DMV talent and supplementing it with guys from around the country that fit into a coherent style of play needs to be the Georgetown mindset. I agree completely! His local recruiting is not working and it's frustrating for all. This kid seems to have a fantastic mindset and motor and I hope he turns into a solid contributor. Do I think that is the most likely thing to happen given what information is available to us? No. I love watching basketball and rooting on my Hoyas, but I don't have a ton of faith in the program right now and I think a healthy level of skepticism is needed. Fair. A higher level of acceptance of the fact that even though they are super flawed, the scouts making the rankings know more than we do would be helpful. See practice's post re: ranking biases, which you liked. Now that he has verbally committed to us, I believe scouts will notice him and he'll get to around #100. |
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Post by IDenj on Nov 9, 2021 6:46:14 GMT -5
IDeng..."We all want to get to a place...NOW!.." Of course we would like to wave a wand and suddenly be competitive with the top 2-3 teams in the league right now but that's not realistic...PE was starting to put together that type of team with Akinjo, LeBlanc, McClung, Gardner, Alexander et al when for different reasons they "abandoned ship"...effectively, he was forced to start over, which he did...he coached up a group that won the BE championship...then, his top 4 scorers graduated (Wahab transferred) and he was again forced to start anew...how do you do that? You bring in a top 12-15 recruiting class...then you follow that up with another excellent class (which I believe he's doing and is not done yet)...then you mold these groups as they gain experience into a highly competitive team...you begin to increase your win total and as you become more competitive it becomes easier to land a few top players...and that's how you build a winning program...it takes several very good recruiting classes in a row, then you're on your way...in the meantime, we need to support the current team as they grow...BTW, D'Ante Bass will be a very good college player... I have and will continue to support the program. But I’m not blind to the lack of success and the deficiencies that abound. Retaining talent has continually hurt the program and it’s why they can’t get any traction. That falls on one person. |
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Post by seaweed on Nov 9, 2021 6:54:21 GMT -5
"Many" feel isn't likely to contribute right away"? I count like three of you, but keep telling yourself you are part of some silent majority. This kid is two time all Savannah, one time all State. He won MOP at the Battle of Georgia. He is the highest rated recruit in the state of Georgia. He was recruited by Memphis, Nevada, Georgia, Xavier, VA Tech and others. He took his team within one possession of the state final last year, averaged 16+ pts, 7 rebbies, 1.8 steals and 1.1 blocks. He is a 6'7" projected 2 guard, finished like a beast and has a solid outside shot. My question is this - who on this team do you think is so good that Bass won't be able to contribute right away? Cause that's the issue right - if you want to say he won't contribute, who's stopping him? You have no love for the guys on the roster, but also want to bash the incoming kids. You can't have it both ways - either the current team is good enough to eat up PT from incoming kids or the incoming kids are good enough to take the PT. So who is going to stop this guy from being a factor right away? Or do you just hate lefties? I'm excited about Bass and like his long-term potential, but he is absolutely NOT the highest rated recruit in the state of Georgia. It takes less than 1 minute of Google research to realize that. Talk about missing the forest for a tree. No response to the substance of “who’s going to stop him from contributing” because I quote the wrong hype piece that overstated his state ranking. The question remains unanswered by the Hatorade contingent. |
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Post by seaweed on Nov 9, 2021 7:00:04 GMT -5
IDeng..."We all want to get to a place...NOW!.." Of course we would like to wave a wand and suddenly be competitive with the top 2-3 teams in the league right now but that's not realistic...PE was starting to put together that type of team with Akinjo, LeBlanc, McClung, Gardner, Alexander et al when for different reasons they "abandoned ship"...effectively, he was forced to start over, which he did...he coached up a group that won the BE championship...then, his top 4 scorers graduated (Wahab transferred) and he was again forced to start anew...how do you do that? You bring in a top 12-15 recruiting class...then you follow that up with another excellent class (which I believe he's doing and is not done yet)...then you mold these groups as they gain experience into a highly competitive team...you begin to increase your win total and as you become more competitive it becomes easier to land a few top players...and that's how you build a winning program...it takes several very good recruiting classes in a row, then you're on your way...in the meantime, we need to support the current team as they grow...BTW, D'Ante Bass will be a very good college player... I have and will continue to support the program. But I’m not blind to the lack of success and the deficiencies that abound. Retaining talent has continually hurt the program and it’s why they can’t get any traction. That falls on one person. All the departures fall on one guy? Coach made Sodom misbehave? Coach ran off Akinjo and Mac? He made Walker leave? He got Leblanc and Gardner in trouble? Is it at all possible that those kids are responsible for their own actions? It falls on Coach in terms of dealing w the consequences, which he’s done, but you seem to suggest that he caused it all. Really? |
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