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Post by prhoya on Nov 9, 2021 7:11:35 GMT -5
I have and will continue to support the program. But I’m not blind to the lack of success and the deficiencies that abound. Retaining talent has continually hurt the program and it’s why they can’t get any traction. That falls on one person. All the departures fall on one guy? Coach made Sodom misbehave? Coach ran off Akinjo and Mac? He made Walker leave? He got Leblanc and Gardner in trouble? Is it at all possible that those kids are responsible for their own actions? It falls on Coach in terms of dealing w the consequences, which he’s done, but you seem to suggest that he caused it all. Really? He didn’t say that Pat caused it. I read IDenj’s post (“that falls on one person”) as Pat is responsible for the program, i.e. the bucks stops at the head coach’s desk. What’s so outrageous about that?
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Post by IDenj on Nov 9, 2021 7:27:24 GMT -5
All the departures fall on one guy? Coach made Sodom misbehave? Coach ran off Akinjo and Mac? He made Walker leave? He got Leblanc and Gardner in trouble? Is it at all possible that those kids are responsible for their own actions? It falls on Coach in terms of dealing w the consequences, which he’s done, but you seem to suggest that he caused it all. Really? He didn’t say that Pat caused it. I read IDenj’s post (“that falls on one person”) as Pat is responsible for the program, i.e. the bucks stops at the head coach’s desk. What’s so outrageous about that? Exactly. I’m a fan of Pat and hope he finds his way. But like we both said in the end the coach has to assume responsibility for the program, be it situations he can control and those he can’t.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 9, 2021 8:44:06 GMT -5
He didn’t say that Pat caused it. I read IDenj’s post (“that falls on one person”) as Pat is responsible for the program, i.e. the bucks stops at the head coach’s desk. What’s so outrageous about that? Exactly. I’m a fan of Pat and hope he finds his way. But like we both said in the end the coach has to assume responsibility for the program, be it situations he can control and those he can’t. Finds his way? Can you name another head coach who won a major conference tournament title in his first five years of coaching? Not in his current position, but in his first five years of coaching anywhere as a head coach. Has any coach ever had that degree of success, and that despite the various setbacks for what she is ultimately responsible in your mind?
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 9, 2021 8:57:05 GMT -5
I'm excited about Bass and like his long-term potential, but he is absolutely NOT the highest rated recruit in the state of Georgia. It takes less than 1 minute of Google research to realize that. Talk about missing the forest for a tree. No response to the substance of “who’s going to stop him from contributing” because I quote the wrong hype piece that overstated his state ranking. The question remains unanswered by the Hatorade contingent. What hype piece are you quoting? He's the 12th ranked class of 2022 prospect in the state of Georgia: hoopseen.com/rankings/state/georgia/2022If you look at the Rivals or 247 top 2022 recruits list, you can easily see that Bass is nowhere near the top of Georgia recruits. This is no "Hatorade", I like the Bass pickup and think he'll be a good player in time. But I don't understand the contingent of Hoyas fans who refuse to see the big picture and take in information from unbiased sources.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 9, 2021 8:57:57 GMT -5
There are some sad m-fs on this board that would like to portray that they care about the program, they are like the Joe Manchins of the Democratic party. Too constant stink bombs. What is your purpose? You know who they are!
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Post by IDenj on Nov 9, 2021 9:05:24 GMT -5
Exactly. I’m a fan of Pat and hope he finds his way. But like we both said in the end the coach has to assume responsibility for the program, be it situations he can control and those he can’t. Finds his way? Can you name another head coach who won a major conference tournament title in his first five years of coaching? Not in his current position, but in his first five years of coaching anywhere as a head coach. Has any coach ever had that degree of success, and that despite the various setbacks for what she is ultimately responsible in your mind? I can’t figure out if you are trying too hard or not trying at all. Either way let it go.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 9, 2021 9:25:07 GMT -5
Finds his way? Can you name another head coach who won a major conference tournament title in his first five years of coaching? Not in his current position, but in his first five years of coaching anywhere as a head coach. Has any coach ever had that degree of success, and that despite the various setbacks for what she is ultimately responsible in your mind? I can’t figure out if you are trying too hard or not trying at all. Either way let it go. So that’s a no on a coach who has had this much success this early in their head coaching career? Not saying it’s been a bed of roses, but let’s keep some perspective. There is no requirement that every pool have a turd in it
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Post by prhoya on Nov 9, 2021 9:33:49 GMT -5
Exactly. I’m a fan of Pat and hope he finds his way. But like we both said in the end the coach has to assume responsibility for the program, be it situations he can control and those he can’t. Finds his way? Can you name another head coach who won a major conference tournament title in his first five years of coaching? Not in his current position, but in his first five years of coaching anywhere as a head coach. Has any coach ever had that degree of success, and that despite the various setbacks for what she is ultimately responsible in your mind? JT3, and let me be clear that I’m not advocating for his return. I’m not going to look further when we have an example at home, but it’s not as hard or special in the modern game with players and coaches changing schools so easily.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 9, 2021 9:40:01 GMT -5
Finds his way? Can you name another head coach who won a major conference tournament title in his first five years of coaching? Not in his current position, but in his first five years of coaching anywhere as a head coach. Has any coach ever had that degree of success, and that despite the various setbacks for what she is ultimately responsible in your mind? JT3, and let me be clear that I’m not advocating for his return. I’m not going to look further when we have an example at home, but it’s not as hard or special in the modern game with players and coaches changing schools so easily. JT III had nine years of college coaching experience, four as a head coach, prior to joining the Georgetown staff. The question was, who has won a title during their first five years of college coaching. So nope try again
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Post by prhoya on Nov 9, 2021 9:44:11 GMT -5
JT3, and let me be clear that I’m not advocating for his return. I’m not going to look further when we have an example at home, but it’s not as hard or special in the modern game with players and coaches changing schools so easily. JT III had nine years of coaching experience, for as a head coach, prior to joining the Georgetown staff. So nope try again Again, you’re not counting right: 2000-2004: Princeton head coach 2004-2017: GU head coach Won multiple titles... EDIT: I see you moved the goal posts after I answered. You originally said “head coach”.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 9, 2021 9:50:22 GMT -5
JT3, and let me be clear that I’m not advocating for his return. I’m not going to look further when we have an example at home, but it’s not as hard or special in the modern game with players and coaches changing schools so easily. JT III had nine years of college coaching experience, four as a head coach, prior to joining the Georgetown staff. The question was, who has won a title during their first five years of college coaching. So nope try again If only Pat had some previous college coaching experience...
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Post by seaweed on Nov 9, 2021 10:59:22 GMT -5
JT III had nine years of college coaching experience, four as a head coach, prior to joining the Georgetown staff. The question was, who has won a title during their first five years of college coaching. So nope try again If only Pat had some previous college coaching experience... You’re overthinking it man. Whether it’s head coaching at any level or college coaching at any level, winning your first title is head coach in the first five years in a power conference is a big deal. You know why? Patrick Ewing as a big deal
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Post by bigelephant on Nov 9, 2021 11:05:38 GMT -5
I hope so.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 9, 2021 11:18:55 GMT -5
If only Pat had some previous college coaching experience... You’re overthinking it man. Whether it’s head coaching at any level or college coaching at any level, winning your first title is head coach in the first five years in a power conference is a big deal. You know why? Patrick Ewing as a big deal Yes, Patrick Ewing is a big deal.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 9, 2021 12:08:30 GMT -5
I can’t figure out if you are trying too hard or not trying at all. Either way let it go. So that’s a no on a coach who has had this much success this early in their head coaching career? Not saying it’s been a bed of roses, but let’s keep some perspective. There is no requirement that every pool have a turd in it This much success? Don’t forget that his regular season record is 62-59, Big East regular season record is 26-44, and postseason record is 4-5. Yes, he won the BET which is a great accomplishment but, big picture, he has had very little success. I wonder how many major conference coaches could have that record and have people touting his success?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 12:38:40 GMT -5
Another thread for the same discussion… 🤷🏾♂️
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Post by wsdhoya on Nov 9, 2021 13:13:09 GMT -5
He didn’t say that Pat caused it. I read IDenj’s post (“that falls on one person”) as Pat is responsible for the program, i.e. the bucks stops at the head coach’s desk. What’s so outrageous about that? Exactly. I’m a fan of Pat and hope he finds his way. But like we both said in the end the coach has to assume responsibility for the program, be it situations he can control and those he can’t. If you're a manager of a team in a company, and your team has the highest rate of people leaving the company and has had a history of employees violating company rules and guidelines, that will definitely be held against you as a leader. Yes, each team member chose to violate roles or chose to leave, but as a leader you take responsibility. Saying the embarrassing level of conduct problems and attrition isn't on Patrick is like saying it isn't his fault when the team doesn't win, because the players are the ones playing poorly.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 9, 2021 13:48:07 GMT -5
If only Pat had some previous college coaching experience... You’re overthinking it man. Whether it’s head coaching at any level or college coaching at any level, winning your first title is head coach in the first five years in a power conference is a big deal. You know why? Patrick Ewing as a big deal seaweed, as you know, Pat’s regular season record is 62-59, his Big East regular season record is 26-44, and his postseason record is 4-5 (with BET Championship and one NCAAT game). Honest questions: After four years at GU, do you think he needs to improve? If yes, what can he do to improve? Please be specific.
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Post by njhoya78 on Nov 9, 2021 16:35:40 GMT -5
Another thread for the same discussion… 🤷🏾♂️ An annual tradition...like the running of the bulls in Pamplona and the return of the swallows to Capistrano.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 9, 2021 16:38:34 GMT -5
Another thread for the same discussion… 🤷🏾♂️ An annual tradition...like the running of the bulls in Pamplona and the return of the swallows to Capistrano. More like the buzzards to Hinckley. . .
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