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Post by wsdhoya on Oct 20, 2021 16:38:19 GMT -5
Yep. He would have been statistically our best player. And was only reliable big on paper. We now have no bigs…none. Keep dissing our guys. Just have at it big guy, if it makes you feel better as a "fan." They don't care and will prove you wrong on the court. What he means to say is we have 0 proven bigs, which is true. We have none. Could Tim and Ryan end up being stars? Do we all want that to happen? Yes. But do we have any proven bigs? No.
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Post by hoya9797 on Oct 20, 2021 16:51:50 GMT -5
Yep. He would have been statistically our best player. And was only reliable big on paper. We now have no bigs…none. Keep dissing our guys. Just have at it big guy, if it makes you feel better as a "fan." They don't care and will prove you wrong on the court. What if they don’t prove him wrong? If you have to admit this isn’t working, do you become less of a fan?
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Post by seaweed on Oct 20, 2021 17:38:09 GMT -5
Keep dissing our guys. Just have at it big guy, if it makes you feel better as a "fan." They don't care and will prove you wrong on the court. What he means to say is we have 0 proven bigs, which is true. We have none. Could Tim and Ryan end up being stars? Do we all want that to happen? Yes. But do we have any proven bigs? No. Nope - that is NOT what he said. Find the word "proven" in the post. You can't. What he said is "we now have no bigs. None." To Tim, Ryan and Malcolm, that is a fan saying "you suck." Is that how you think we should treat our players, how we should speak about them? Not me - whether I believe they will rock or not (hint, I DO), that is not how we as fans should speak about our players before they even take the court for game one. Would you yell that from your seat in the lower bowl? "Hey, Ryan, you're nothing!" If you wouldn't yell it there, what makes it OK to post it here? Anonymity? That's weak sauce. The truth is, it's just not OK but you can so you will.
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Post by wsdhoya on Oct 20, 2021 17:53:49 GMT -5
What he means to say is we have 0 proven bigs, which is true. We have none. Could Tim and Ryan end up being stars? Do we all want that to happen? Yes. But do we have any proven bigs? No. Nope - that is NOT what he said. Find the word "proven" in the post. You can't. What he said is "we now have no bigs. None." To Tim, Ryan and Malcolm, that is a fan saying "you suck." Is that how you think we should treat our players, how we should speak about them? Not me - whether I believe they will rock or not (hint, I DO), that is not how we as fans should speak about our players before they even take the court for game one. Would you yell that from your seat in the lower bowl? "Hey, Ryan, you're nothing!" If you wouldn't yell it there, what makes it OK to post it here? Anonymity? That's weak sauce. The truth is, it's just not OK but you can so you will. Ok you're right. He said reliable and not proven. I would still agree that we currently haven't seen anything to say we have a reliable big on the roster. Hopefully we do, but as of now we do not. I probably wouldn't have classed Tre as a super reliable big at the Big East level right away either since he's making the step up from mid major ball, but he would have at least been a lot closer and probably would be at that level. I have high hopes for Ryan (maybe not this year just yet) and Tim should hopefully at least get you some serviceable minutes this season, but to say anything other than we are very bare at the 4 and 5 is lying to yourself.
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 20, 2021 18:24:56 GMT -5
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Oct 20, 2021 20:09:10 GMT -5
I really think that this team will win 11-9 in big east and right in the hunt for a ncaa bid.Timothy will be much improved at center really improved.I think he will avg 12 points and 8 rebounds a game.and have some big number games where he gets 20 a few times.and the freshman is talented more than the media is giving them. AM the freshman McDonald’s all American should be a solid producer of scoring right away.and Riley is good and the sophomores will be improved and the guard from western Carolina can flat out shoot the 3.Carey can shoot the 3 and Dante Harris will be better. This team will 18-20 games this year be right in hunt for ncaa bid. No doubt about it to me.may even do better in conference would not surprise me to win 13 big east conference games. Go Hoyas.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Oct 21, 2021 6:13:04 GMT -5
Great article. Thank you for sharing. Some people still won’t get it. Til….
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Post by DallasHoya on Oct 21, 2021 9:04:51 GMT -5
Great article. Thank you for sharing. Some people still won’t get it. Til…. Deleted
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Post by smokeyjack on Oct 25, 2021 9:09:01 GMT -5
Yep. He would have been statistically our best player. And was only reliable big on paper. We now have no bigs…none. Keep dissing our guys. Just have at it big guy, if it makes you feel better as a "fan." They don't care and will prove you wrong on the court. I hope so, but bigs in the BE rarely make huge impacts in Yr 1. Given how little Tim and Malcolm played last season, they are in Yr 1 in terms of BE playing time. And while I am a huge fan of my alma mater, I'm not going to blindly applaud every player and move made by the program. The current state of PR and outreach is laughable even by GU's atrocious historical standards. In my opinion, it all (entire hoops operation) needs to be SO much better. I'm skeptical on many levels relative to the current program. Does that make me a hater? I guess it depends on your definition. But unless Mo is Melo Anthony good, we are in for a VERY rough season. Don't kid yourselves.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 16, 2021 13:37:53 GMT -5
Bumping this to see where everyone is at now that most of the out of conference is over. I've watched a good bit of Big East basketball so far and the only team that I would say we are maybe better than is Butler. That is Butler without Tate and Nze. I don't think we are better than them with those guys. This is not to say we won't win any conference games because we certainly will. I would put a conference wins line around 6-7. Maybe that will be good enough to get us out of the cellar but it won't be because of Depaul unless Freeman-Liberty gets hurt.
So what is your conference win prediction now?
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Post by prhoya on Dec 16, 2021 13:57:59 GMT -5
Bumping this to see where everyone is at now that most of the out of conference is over. I've watched a good bit of Big East basketball so far and the only team that I would say we are maybe better than is Butler. That is Butler without Tate and Nze. I don't think we are better than them with those guys. This is not to say we won't win any conference games because we certainly will. I would put a conference wins line around 6-7. Maybe that will be good enough to get us out of the cellar but it won't be because of Depaul unless Freeman-Liberty gets hurt. So what is your conference win prediction now? Too hard to say without learning more about KR and JB’s injury status… and Dante’s leg… and Tim’s hand… Saturday’s game will shed more light.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 16, 2021 13:59:44 GMT -5
Georgetown Hoyas (6-4) Points Leader: Aminu Mohammed, 15.1 ppg Rebounds Leader: Aminu Mohammed, 8.7 rpg Assists Leader: Dante Harris, 5.1 apg KenPom Ranking: #111 T-Rank Ranking: #167 NET Ranking: #166 Best Win: vs #120 Syracuse, 79-75 Worst Loss: vs #248 Dartmouth, 69-60 Congratulations to the Hoyas on recording the only truly bad loss in the entire Big East. They lost to an Ivy League team at home, and not just any Ivy team, but one of three Ivy teams outside the top 200. They also have a neutral court loss to a Saint Joseph’s team that’s going nowhere fast this season as well as a South Carolina squad that very well could get head coach Frank Martin fired by the end of the year. Blech. In fairness to Patrick Ewing and his team, I have to acknowledge that they did record their best win of the year just recently. Then again, GU’s “best win” is the only one in the Big East outside the top 70, so it’s a mixed blessing at best. Georgetown has many and varied problems, as you can probably imagine, but their tempo and three-point attempt rates are probably amongst the biggest ones. Playing fast is itself not a problem, that’s just a choice. But the Hoyas are playing fast (#44 in the country in tempo per KenPom) while being below average in attempting three-pointers….. and hitting more than almost any one in the country. The Hoyas are currently connecting on over 39% of their long range shots, which is the 15th best shooting percentage nationally. If I were them and I were playing extremely fast, I’d try to shoot more of those since I’m so good at them. On the other end of the court, Georgetown seems to have a defensive inclination to let you shoot all the three-pointers you want. Over 40% of shots against them have been threes this season, and that’s nearly in the bottom 100 in the country. It’s not like the Hoyas are letting guys just launch from outside either, as Georgetown is one of the 60 worst teams in the country at letting teams find the open man for an assist. Combine all that with Georgetown’s decision to play fast….. and well, I think you start to see why the Hoyas have the worst defense in the Big East. On top of all of their other problems, GU will also be without center Timothy Ighoefe until at least January, possibly til the middle of January. He fractured his hand in their win over Longwood, and will be out for 4-6 weeks starting from his surgery earlier this month. Junior Malcolm Wilson has been starting in his place, while freshman Ryan Mutombo has seen his minutes increase since the lineup change. www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/12/16/22833923/big-east-mens-basketball-league-schedule-previews-team-capsules
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 16, 2021 14:06:12 GMT -5
Bumping this to see where everyone is at now that most of the out of conference is over. I've watched a good bit of Big East basketball so far and the only team that I would say we are maybe better than is Butler. That is Butler without Tate and Nze. I don't think we are better than them with those guys. This is not to say we won't win any conference games because we certainly will. I would put a conference wins line around 6-7. Maybe that will be good enough to get us out of the cellar but it won't be because of Depaul unless Freeman-Liberty gets hurt. So what is your conference win prediction now? Too hard to say without learning more about KR and JB’s injury status… and Dante’s leg… and Tim’s hand… Saturday’s game will shed more light. My prediction was with all KR, JB and DH healthy and knowing what we know about Tim. I don' think KR and JB are actually hurt. I think it's sickness.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 16, 2021 14:21:51 GMT -5
I think we get at least 11-12 wins in the Big East. Coach Ewing has been stirring that gumbo pot and the results are getting better the longer the gumbo simmers. Just look at our victory over Syracuse and the current 3-game winning streak. I predict that streak to reach 4 straight with a solid victory Saturday over always tough TCU in front of 10K+ at Capital One Arena.
Here's how I see the Big East shaking out for our Hoyas:
At Providence: W At Creighton: W Home St. John's: W Home Xavier: W Home Marquette: W Home Butler: W At St. John's: L Home Villanova: L At UCONN: L At Butler: W Home Seton Hall: W Home Providence: W At DePaul: L Home Creighton: W At Marquette: W At Villanova: L Home DePaul: W Home UCONN: L At Seton Hall: L At Xavier: L
It's possible that the first game against Providence will be a loss without Big Tim, but I expect Ewing to outcoach Cooley and the Hoyas to get the victory. So, 12-8 in the conference heading into the Big East Tournament, probably a 4 seed in the BET.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 16, 2021 14:40:45 GMT -5
Georgetown Hoyas (6-4) Points Leader: Aminu Mohammed, 15.1 ppg Rebounds Leader: Aminu Mohammed, 8.7 rpg Assists Leader: Dante Harris, 5.1 apg KenPom Ranking: #111 T-Rank Ranking: #167 NET Ranking: #166 Best Win: vs #120 Syracuse, 79-75 Worst Loss: vs #248 Dartmouth, 69-60 Congratulations to the Hoyas on recording the only truly bad loss in the entire Big East. They lost to an Ivy League team at home, and not just any Ivy team, but one of three Ivy teams outside the top 200. They also have a neutral court loss to a Saint Joseph’s team that’s going nowhere fast this season as well as a South Carolina squad that very well could get head coach Frank Martin fired by the end of the year. Blech. In fairness to Patrick Ewing and his team, I have to acknowledge that they did record their best win of the year just recently. Then again, GU’s “best win” is the only one in the Big East outside the top 70, so it’s a mixed blessing at best. Georgetown has many and varied problems, as you can probably imagine, but their tempo and three-point attempt rates are probably amongst the biggest ones. Playing fast is itself not a problem, that’s just a choice. But the Hoyas are playing fast (#44 in the country in tempo per KenPom) while being below average in attempting three-pointers….. and hitting more than almost any one in the country. The Hoyas are currently connecting on over 39% of their long range shots, which is the 15th best shooting percentage nationally. If I were them and I were playing extremely fast, I’d try to shoot more of those since I’m so good at them. On the other end of the court, Georgetown seems to have a defensive inclination to let you shoot all the three-pointers you want. Over 40% of shots against them have been threes this season, and that’s nearly in the bottom 100 in the country. It’s not like the Hoyas are letting guys just launch from outside either, as Georgetown is one of the 60 worst teams in the country at letting teams find the open man for an assist. Combine all that with Georgetown’s decision to play fast….. and well, I think you start to see why the Hoyas have the worst defense in the Big East. On top of all of their other problems, GU will also be without center Timothy Ighoefe until at least January, possibly til the middle of January. He fractured his hand in their win over Longwood, and will be out for 4-6 weeks starting from his surgery earlier this month. Junior Malcolm Wilson has been starting in his place, while freshman Ryan Mutombo has seen his minutes increase since the lineup change. www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/12/16/22833923/big-east-mens-basketball-league-schedule-previews-team-capsulesThis reads like someone who looked at a stat sheet but actually hasn't seen the team play at all.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 16, 2021 15:14:31 GMT -5
I think we get at least 11-12 wins in the Big East. Coach Ewing has been stirring that gumbo pot and the results are getting better the longer the gumbo simmers. Just look at our victory over Syracuse and the current 3-game winning streak. I predict that streak to reach 4 straight with a solid victory Saturday over always tough TCU in front of 10K+ at Capital One Arena. Here's how I see the Big East shaking out for our Hoyas: At Providence: W At Creighton: W Home St. John's: W Home Xavier: W Home Marquette: W Home Butler: W At St. John's: L Home Villanova: L At UCONN: L At Butler: W Home Seton Hall: W Home Providence: W At DePaul: L Home Creighton: W At Marquette: W At Villanova: L Home DePaul: W Home UCONN: L At Seton Hall: L At Xavier: L It's possible that the first game against Providence will be a loss without Big Tim, but I expect Ewing to outcoach Cooley and the Hoyas to get the victory. So, 12-8 in the conference heading into the Big East Tournament, probably a 4 seed in the BET. I hope you're right but Ewing hasn't finished above .500 in any of his first 4 BE seasons and you think it's happening with THIS team in THIS league? I'll have whatever you're drinking 8 wins max
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 16, 2021 15:23:17 GMT -5
6-14 or 7-13. League is too tough / too deep for a team without King, Riley, and Tim (for part of it).
We’ll probably be 0-6 vs the Top 3, so 6-8 or 7-7 vs everyone else feels like the range.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 16, 2021 15:46:59 GMT -5
7-13 would be my call. I just think our spot in the pecking order is low. We should continue to see improvement throughout the season but I think we end up with a losing record. Now COVID could wreck January & February in which case it really just depends on who we would end up playing but if we play a full schedule, I have a hard time seeing us beat UConn or Seton Hall. I could see us beating a cold shooting Nova and agree that the rest of the games against Butler, Marquette, Creighton, Providence, Depaul, Xavier and St. John's are a coin flip.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 16, 2021 16:02:49 GMT -5
6-14 or 7-13. League is too tough / too deep for a team without King, Riley, and Tim (for part of it). We’ll probably be 0-6 vs the Top 3, so 6-8 or 7-7 vs everyone else feels like the range. I could see Rice winning us 4 games with his shooting, Aminu getting hot for several games, Beard/Dante going off and other teams having an off night at CapOne. We haven’t had many players with 20+pt games under Pat and we have a few this year. If we could control the TOs and play better perimeter defense while protecting the rim, then it’s a matter of which team gets to 79 pts first.
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 16, 2021 16:14:28 GMT -5
12 - 8
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