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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 8, 2021 22:37:35 GMT -5
In 8 games as a Hoyas so far, he’s made 34 threes, good for 57th on the Hoyas’ career 3’s made list.
Two more and he’ll match a recent transfer sniper, Greg Malinowski.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 9, 2021 8:54:42 GMT -5
In 8 games as a Hoyas so far, he’s made 34 threes, good for 57th on the Hoyas’ career 3’s made list. Two more and he’ll match a recent transfer sniper, Greg Malinowski. Nobody is going to shoot as well as Rice did last night on a regular basis. The team needs him to settle into a consistent 40-45% 3 point shooter for the balance of the season and that will go along way to them having success. The highs (last night) and the lows (South Carolina) are hard to live with for a team trying to find an identity. He was very impressive last night.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Dec 9, 2021 8:57:36 GMT -5
Hopefully Rice will continue the nice shooting against 'Cuse.
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Post by HoyaChris on Dec 9, 2021 9:55:11 GMT -5
The Charles Dickens' "Best of Times, Worst of Times" award has to apply to Kaiden's last two games.
His Kenpom game score of 195 for last night's game is by far the highest score for any Hoya with major minutes since I have been following the site - more than a decade.
Similarly, his South Carolina score of 6 is by far the worst I have ever seen.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 9, 2021 10:33:05 GMT -5
Rice is the streakiest shooter I can recall. When he is on like he was last night, it feels like anything he fires up will go in - usually without even touching the rim. When he is off, it feels like there is no chance he is going to hit anything. Unfortunately we are fairly dependent on his scoring. We are not going to win many (if any) games when he has a cold night. But he sure is fun when he is hot.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 9, 2021 10:40:19 GMT -5
The nice thing at least from great games to complete duds to everything in between he is shooting 45% overall from 3.
To put in perspective he was a 35% shooter for 4 years at the Citadel.
Don't think that changes that at Citadel he was more of a volume shooter but maybe he has a career year with us and that would be extremely welcomed.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 9, 2021 10:49:30 GMT -5
The nice thing at least from great games to complete duds to everything in between he is shooting 45% overall from 3. To put in perspective he was a 35% shooter for 4 years at the Citadel. Don't think that changes that at Citadel he was more of a volume shooter but maybe he has a career year with us and that would be extremely welcomed. He's getting better quality shots overall which is helping. Last night, he had very few (if any) 3s on the move while the opposite was true against SC.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 9, 2021 12:50:08 GMT -5
We have to focus on getting Kaiden more good shots. He's an absolute weapon on a team that doesn't have many.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 13:45:45 GMT -5
The nice thing at least from great games to complete duds to everything in between he is shooting 45% overall from 3. To put in perspective he was a 35% shooter for 4 years at the Citadel. Don't think that changes that at Citadel he was more of a volume shooter but maybe he has a career year with us and that would be extremely welcomed. Along those lines I heard Barkley on Inside the NBA recently talking about a player (mind too old to remember who but a star on his team) who had gone for 30 pts that night but went for 10 the prior night and Barkely's quote was something like "that's not a good way to average 20". Granted as opposed to Rice the player he was talking about was the #1 or #2 option on the team, but the point was that the inconsistency was a killer, even if the average looked good.
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Post by wsdhoya on Dec 9, 2021 16:21:55 GMT -5
How many players have we had just like this since we were last good? This type of player, a streaky shooter that does little if anything else to help a team win, is the kind of player that can look great for a game or two on a bad team because he can jack up enough shots to drop 24 points. However, he can just as easily shoot 0-10 against marginally better competition and allow easy drives to the basket on defense. Guys like DSR, Rodney Pryor, and now Rice are just not players you find on a winning team, because they don't play the team sport of basketball. He's helpful to have on the roster for a team at our level because the only way we win is if we have hot shooting nights anyway, but guys like him are not the players that will get us back to relevancy. Give me a Jabril Trawick over Rice any day of the week.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 9, 2021 16:26:15 GMT -5
How many players have we had just like this since we were last good? This type of player, a streaky shooter that does little if anything else to help a team win, is the kind of player that can look great for a game or two on a bad team because he can jack up enough shots to drop 24 points. However, he can just as easily shoot 0-10 against marginally better competition and allow easy drives to the basket on defense. Guys like DSR, Rodney Pryor, and now Rice are just not players you find on a winning team, because they don't play the team sport of basketball. He's helpful to have on the roster for a team at our level because the only way we win is if we have hot shooting nights anyway, but guys like him are not the players that will get us back to relevancy. Give me a Jabril Trawick over Rice any day of the week. How about you enjoy a new Hoya record... Also your entire premise is incredibly stupid. Would you not want Steph Curry on your team? Every good team needs shooters.
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Post by wsdhoya on Dec 9, 2021 16:51:31 GMT -5
How many players have we had just like this since we were last good? This type of player, a streaky shooter that does little if anything else to help a team win, is the kind of player that can look great for a game or two on a bad team because he can jack up enough shots to drop 24 points. However, he can just as easily shoot 0-10 against marginally better competition and allow easy drives to the basket on defense. Guys like DSR, Rodney Pryor, and now Rice are just not players you find on a winning team, because they don't play the team sport of basketball. He's helpful to have on the roster for a team at our level because the only way we win is if we have hot shooting nights anyway, but guys like him are not the players that will get us back to relevancy. Give me a Jabril Trawick over Rice any day of the week. How about you enjoy a new Hoya record... Also your entire premise is incredibly stupid. Would you not want Steph Curry on your team? Every good team needs shooters. Are you really going to compare Rice to Steph Curry? Really? Steph's efficiency rating in the NBA is over 10 points ahead of Rice playing in whatever conference The Citadel is in. Curry averages more than 6 assists a game, Rice averages 0.7 per game in his career, which is honestly impressively low. The biggest difference, even bigger than the fact that they are two entirely different players with completely different levels of talent, is that they play the game at two different levels. In the NBA with faster tempo offense, shorter shot-clock, etc. it is normal to rely on shooting 3s, and Curry has a license to do so. In college, good teams must move the ball and find open shooters or work the ball inside. The ability to defend one on one is also more important in college as the game is lower scoring. This is one of the most absurd comparisons I've ever read on this board. Would be like comparing Tim to Ewing just because they're both Centers.
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2021 16:52:22 GMT -5
How many players have we had just like this since we were last good? This type of player, a streaky shooter that does little if anything else to help a team win, is the kind of player that can look great for a game or two on a bad team because he can jack up enough shots to drop 24 points. However, he can just as easily shoot 0-10 against marginally better competition and allow easy drives to the basket on defense. Guys like DSR, Rodney Pryor, and now Rice are just not players you find on a winning team, because they don't play the team sport of basketball. He's helpful to have on the roster for a team at our level because the only way we win is if we have hot shooting nights anyway, but guys like him are not the players that will get us back to relevancy. Give me a Jabril Trawick over Rice any day of the week. This is stupid. We literally have NEVER had a shooter do what he did last night so it's a pretty quick answer to "how many players"? I'm as negative as the next guy, but come on.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 9, 2021 16:55:39 GMT -5
How about you enjoy a new Hoya record... Also your entire premise is incredibly stupid. Would you not want Steph Curry on your team? Every good team needs shooters. Are you really going to compare Rice to Steph Curry? Really? Steph's efficiency rating in the NBA is over 10 points ahead of Rice playing in whatever conference The Citadel is in. Curry averages more than 6 assists a game, Rice averages 0.7 per game in his career, which is honestly impressively low. The biggest difference, even bigger than the fact that they are two entirely different players with completely different levels of talent, is that they play the game at two different levels. In the NBA with faster tempo offense, shorter shot-clock, etc. it is normal to rely on shooting 3s, and Curry has a license to do so. In college, good teams must move the ball and find open shooters or work the ball inside. The ability to defend one on one is also more important in college as the game is lower scoring. This is one of the most absurd comparisons I've ever read on this board. Would be like comparing Tim to Ewing just because they're both Centers. Did you ever watch Steph in college? He never learned how to play defense until the NBA. You must be quite dense if you think I'm comparing him to a fully developed NBA player.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 9, 2021 16:55:43 GMT -5
How many players have we had just like this since we were last good? This type of player, a streaky shooter that does little if anything else to help a team win, is the kind of player that can look great for a game or two on a bad team because he can jack up enough shots to drop 24 points. However, he can just as easily shoot 0-10 against marginally better competition and allow easy drives to the basket on defense. Guys like DSR, Rodney Pryor, and now Rice are just not players you find on a winning team, because they don't play the team sport of basketball. He's helpful to have on the roster for a team at our level because the only way we win is if we have hot shooting nights anyway, but guys like him are not the players that will get us back to relevancy. Give me a Jabril Trawick over Rice any day of the week. This is stupid. We literally have NEVER had a shooter do what he did last night so it's a pretty quick answer to "how many players"? I'm as negative as the next guy, but come on. It's pretty weird when someone is extremely unhappy after a win.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 9, 2021 16:58:01 GMT -5
How many players have we had just like this since we were last good? This type of player, a streaky shooter that does little if anything else to help a team win, is the kind of player that can look great for a game or two on a bad team because he can jack up enough shots to drop 24 points. However, he can just as easily shoot 0-10 against marginally better competition and allow easy drives to the basket on defense. Guys like DSR, Rodney Pryor, and now Rice are just not players you find on a winning team, because they don't play the team sport of basketball. He's helpful to have on the roster for a team at our level because the only way we win is if we have hot shooting nights anyway, but guys like him are not the players that will get us back to relevancy. Give me a Jabril Trawick over Rice any day of the week. This is stupid. We literally have NEVER had a shooter do what he did last night so it's a pretty quick answer to "how many players"? I'm as negative as the next guy, but come on. Exactly. The program needs shooters, as everyone on this board has been talking about for years, and this kid is a shooter!!! Would everyone, staff included, want him to be more consistent from game to game? Sure, and hopefully he can find that consistency over the next few weeks and ride it for the rest of the season. He is a very high level shooter with a super quick release. The Hoyas are lucky to have him and the more nights he can have like last night, the more confidence he develops which just leads to more consistency.
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Post by wsdhoya on Dec 9, 2021 17:09:14 GMT -5
This is stupid. We literally have NEVER had a shooter do what he did last night so it's a pretty quick answer to "how many players"? I'm as negative as the next guy, but come on. Exactly. The program needs shooters, as everyone on this board has been talking about for years, and this kid is a shooter!!! Would everyone, staff included, want him to be more consistent from game to game? Sure, and hopefully he can find that consistency over the next few weeks and ride it for the rest of the season. He is a very high level shooter with a super quick release. The Hoyas are lucky to have him and the more nights he can have like last night, the more confidence he develops which just leads to more consistency. I'm not doubting the kid can get hot from behind the arc. I'm just thinking to myself that on no top level Big East team is there a starter who could go 10-12 from 3 in one of his 8 games so far and still have a poor efficiency rating on the season against by far the weakest schedule in the conference so far. I'm recognizing that somebody who usually plays over 30 minutes a game and averages less than 3/4 of an assist is probably not helping run the offense. Why do you guys think we are 4-4 having played a scheduled ranked below 300 in SOS if all these guys are so dang good at basketball? Rice can be a helpful guy to have as a spark off the bench on a good team especially when you need to score in bunches, but that's all his role would be on probably 7 of the other 10 BE teams.
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 9, 2021 17:24:45 GMT -5
Baffling why you don't go root for a team where you actually like:
A win
The players. If you are watching the game, you're not watching Dante closely enough to appreciate what he brings to the team. You are watching analytics without seeing actual games play out.
Anything about the team at all.
I'm inferring that you may be a troll from Onondaga County, which, if its true, gives us hope you'll disappear after Saturday's game.
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Post by HoyaChris on Dec 9, 2021 17:36:35 GMT -5
Exactly. The program needs shooters, as everyone on this board has been talking about for years, and this kid is a shooter!!! Would everyone, staff included, want him to be more consistent from game to game? Sure, and hopefully he can find that consistency over the next few weeks and ride it for the rest of the season. He is a very high level shooter with a super quick release. The Hoyas are lucky to have him and the more nights he can have like last night, the more confidence he develops which just leads to more consistency. I'm not doubting the kid can get hot from behind the arc. I'm just thinking to myself that on no top level Big East team is there a starter who could go 10-12 from 3 in one of his 8 games so far and still have a poor efficiency rating on the season against by far the weakest schedule in the conference so far. I'm recognizing that somebody who usually plays over 30 minutes a game and averages less than 3/4 of an assist is probably not helping run the offense. Why do you guys think we are 4-4 having played a scheduled ranked below 300 in SOS if all these guys are so dang good at basketball? Rice can be a helpful guy to have as a spark off the bench on a good team especially when you need to score in bunches, but that's all his role would be on probably 7 of the other 10 BE teams. Except that he doesn't have a poor efficiency rating on the season. Year to date, his efficiency rating is 122.4 by Kenpom which would put him in the top 15% of all NCAA starters and with far higher usage than most players with higher offensive ratings.
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Post by wsdhoya on Dec 9, 2021 17:40:53 GMT -5
I'm not doubting the kid can get hot from behind the arc. I'm just thinking to myself that on no top level Big East team is there a starter who could go 10-12 from 3 in one of his 8 games so far and still have a poor efficiency rating on the season against by far the weakest schedule in the conference so far. I'm recognizing that somebody who usually plays over 30 minutes a game and averages less than 3/4 of an assist is probably not helping run the offense. Why do you guys think we are 4-4 having played a scheduled ranked below 300 in SOS if all these guys are so dang good at basketball? Rice can be a helpful guy to have as a spark off the bench on a good team especially when you need to score in bunches, but that's all his role would be on probably 7 of the other 10 BE teams. Except that he doesn't have a poor efficiency rating on the season. Year to date, his efficiency rating is 122.4 by Kenpom which would put him in the top 15% of all NCAA starters and with far higher usage than most players with higher offensive ratings. Efficiency ratings are averaged at 15.0. Not sure what stat you are looking at. His is just above 15 which is poor for a starter especially if you consider our SOS is below 300 and he's coming off a ridiculous shooting performance.
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